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Loomis
12:03 / 16.06.05
I was just having a chuckle at the over-rated movies thread and thought we could do with one here in the books forum, so get to it! Which books do you really hate that everyone else tells you you should love?

Number one for me is Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie. I think this book is the real reason behind the fatwah. God knows I wanted to strangle the bugger while reading it. What a pile of shit. Booker of Bookers my arse! I really had to force myself through this one. It was so tedious, so cringe-inducingly unfunny, so pompous and over-written. All the things that should be beaten out of any aspiring writer, not encouraged with awards. God I hated every moment of this book, but so many people with half-decent taste like it. Why? See also: One Hundred Years of Solitude.

Another writer who is very over-rated (though I still like him) in my worthless opinion is Umberto Eco. He's a good writer but he really needs an editor to liberate the decent work from the over-wrought layers of irrelevant information piled on top.
 
 
matthew.
14:23 / 16.06.05
Good gravy. I second the motion that they should make it a law for Umberto Eco to have a better editor and a better translator. It's just so dense with absolute nothingness.
 
 
alterity
14:33 / 16.06.05
I'm sure this will get strong reactions, but I've always hated A Catcher in the Rye. More specifically, I've always had a strong dislike for the people (usually young men) who love Salinger in their capacity as people who love Salinger (some of my best friends love him). I've just read too many shitty poems called "On Reading Salinger Alone in My Bedroom on my 18th Birthday." Give it up! You have no angst! You're from suburbia, fer chissakes! (My friends were anyway.) You are not Holden Caulfield. Phoebe maybe. . .

I also hate On the Road. Could there be a less interesting novel? No, no there couldn't.

And anything by Richard Powers. So melancholy!

Boy, I could do this all day. Great thread.
 
 
Loomis
14:40 / 16.06.05
It's very liberating isn't it?

On the Road is certainly over-rated but then it would be impossible for it to live up to the hype that surrounds it. I thought it was okay, but too random and directionless and definitely not all that.
 
 
Sax
14:46 / 16.06.05
**puts Loomis and alterity on shit-list**
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:33 / 16.06.05
I don't loathe Catcher but I totally agree with what's been said here about the fans: there are a ton of equally good books out there, yet they just sit and read Salinger. Kinda same with Morrisey, but that's music.
 
 
alterity
17:45 / 16.06.05
You know, I don't even know if Catcher is a bad book, because it's impossible for me to read it now. So I should probably take it out of the hate pile and move it into the I-can-no-longer-critically-evaluate pile.

But I still hate On the Road. Put me to sleep and it took me something like five tries to make it all the way through. Note to Jack: "Just because it happened to you doesn't make it interesting!"

Sorry to Kerouac lovers. Feel free to hate something I love.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:09 / 16.06.05
I must admit, I'd like Kerouac a lot more if only somebody had told him how to use the full stop key.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:20 / 16.06.05
Harry Potter. It looked like the sort of thing I'd hate, so I read it. I did hate it. I simply hated every element about it. Plot, characters, language and more: everything. I can't really back that up: I think people either love it or loathe it, but for sure it's overrated.
 
 
This Sunday
22:05 / 16.06.05
If Umberto Eco got cut down, you wouldn't have anything worth reading, though. It's the encyclopedic and miasmic narrative that works for to his advantage. Part of his ambient interpretive angle, and all.

The 'Harry Potter' things just don't work for me, but that's me not wanting to get what they're pushing.

I'm going to say Bharati Mukhrjee's 'Jasmine' because it's such a placatory, race-and-politics-designed-to-sell sort of thing.
'American Psycho', the Brett Ellis book. Not quite as annoyingly frustrating and inane as the movie, but still... maybe my lack of yuppie-culture-experience has left me ill-prepped to enjoy? Or was it just that blah?
 
 
astrojax69
23:14 / 16.06.05
george fucking elliot's 'middlemarch'! grrrrrrrr, hated that sloppy 'soap' i had to do for english lit. awful. what was the point? neighbours is better. and that's bad.


i won't say how much i love 'on the road', 'cause this isn't the place.


peter carey novels. all of them. 'oscar and lucinda' was one of the most over-rated books i never read. first book in a long time i stopped half way through. usually i try to finish waht i start, but this was just drivel. no point. like middlemarch.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:17 / 16.06.05
Every book Thomas Hardy ever wrote but especially The Mayor of Casterbridge. You could slate them to death and they would still be over-rated simply by being reprinted year after year and placed on the classics shelves in all major bookshops.
 
 
Axolotl
07:53 / 17.06.05
I agree with Nina. I've already discussed my hatred of "The Mayor of Casterbridge" & Hardy on the 'Lith so I won't repeat myself.
 
 
rizla mission
08:35 / 17.06.05
'Hawksmoor' by Peter Ackroyd.

Thought it was fucking dreadful - contrived, cliched, pompous, went nowhere and the only good ideas in it are blatantly ripped off from other, better writers. I remain baffled my the high praise it continues to recieve from people whose opinions I usually trust.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:49 / 17.06.05
What is the point of this thread? There are already threads on many of the books mentioned. Is it so people can dash off some top-of-the-head criticism and expect not to have it disputed?
 
 
Loomis
09:11 / 17.06.05
You seemed to enjoy yourself in the same thread in the film and tv forum Flyboy. Did you see a point in that thread?

Dispute away. I'm sure everyone here is happy to defend their choices.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:31 / 17.06.05
Three and a half years ago. Since then, that thread has descended into one liners and I feel much the same way about it.
 
 
rizla mission
09:53 / 17.06.05
What is the point of this thread?

I'd say the point is to aggressively question the worth of a lot of things people can get very precious about - a good thing, no?

Is it so people can dash off some top-of-the-head criticism and expect not to have it disputed?

On the contrary - I see the above posts as a call for defenders of the books in question to bring the fuckin' disputes and make this into an a good discussion.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:44 / 17.06.05
100 Years of Solitude, it felt that way reading the damn thing.

Lord of the Rings: The Hobbit's one of my favourite childhood books, but this just meanders on with numerous jumps off on tangents. It's nowhere near as good as a lot of people make out.

Midnight's Children for sure. Although that could've been because my brother lent it to me saying "Read this, it's got superhumans in it."
 
 
Brunner
11:27 / 17.06.05
The Little Friend - Donna Tartt
All hyped up as it was soooooooooooooo long since The Secret History came out. And what do we get, a kid's detective story. I actually enjoyed it but it wasn't worth waiting 11 years for...
 
 
Baz Auckland
22:24 / 17.06.05
I liked both On the Road and 100 Years of Solitude... I enjoy Kerouac's lack of punctuation especially.

For me, I hate the goddamn Alchemist. Damn book that beats you over the head with how freaking. meaningful. every. sentence. is. and with an ending that just shows the whole plot is ripped off from Arabian Nights. All this would be bad enough without having legions of people buy it daily and tell everyone else 'oh! You HAVE to read the Alchemist! It'll change your life!'. Grrrr...
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:49 / 18.06.05
I tend to be quite harsh with books, so if I don't like it or can't get into it then it's binned, no matter how far into it I am. Ulysses is about the only book I stuck with even when I found it escruciating, just to say I'd read it, and then found one of the later sections quite enjoyable (the whole Shakespear debate going on part) but found the last chapter a complete drag. It may be a great work of literature, but I didn't like it. I found Lord of the Rings very dull, but I read it when I was very young. Oh and, yes, it's a graphic novel, but I didn't think Seaguy was all that.
 
 
Nobody's girl
13:28 / 18.06.05
The Go-Between by L.P. Hartley is a terrible book. The author clearly had the idea- "I know, I'll use the zodiac as a metaphor, that'll add depth" and then implemented it really badly. Not only is it poorly written, but I got the impression that the author condones the classism the main character (Leo, geddit?) experiences. Ugh.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
16:08 / 18.06.05
Charles Dickens...

particularly Great Expectations and A Tale of Two Cities. I read the former and most of the latter.

mind you... it's only a matter of aesthetics.

I really enjoyed 100 years of Solitude - can't rightly say why, I haven't been able to get through any of his other novels.

There's an abundance of highly-rated, mediocre stories (Life of Pi comes to mind - I don't loathe it, but it's so-so).

in the end, I don't know about lauds, but I know what I like.

>pablo
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:49 / 18.06.05
Since then, that thread has descended into one liners and I feel much the same way about it.

Oh for christ's sake just shut up Fly. We want to have fun. You don't want to have fun so go away and don't have fun somewhere else.

As for The Go-Between, I've always thought it was a very masculine book and disliked it for that reason. The female characters are all manipulative or cold or perverse and very hysterical. Hartley's characters are all miserable and uncertain. I quite like the writing style... but the book's totally over-rated because the writer is a misogynistic man who drones on and on about Mrs Maudsley's eyes and then makes everything collapse in to a depressing heap of boritude at the end when he talks to Marian (the most annoying woman in the world if she had really existed).
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:42 / 18.06.05
Loomis, et al;

I don't know if you've made the baby Jesus cry just yet, with all the terrible things you've been saying, but, while I'd no doubt be doing this anyway, I'm reaching for the bottle of scotch doubly, right about now.

Midnight's Children - well okay it's flawed a bit admittedly. The 'knees and nose' thing in particular is teetering on the edge Terry Pratchett-esque camp, except 'not as good' I'd imagine. 'Not as good' as Terry Pratchett ( I do rather hope I've spelled the mindless c***'s name wrong, ) because he's 'workmanlike' and 'unpretentious,' the eccentric bearded nightmare.

One Hundred Years Of Solitude - I suppose the names are an over-played trope, but anyone who doesn't like this book should cut out the middleman and just join the police, IMVHO. ( Nothing wrong with being 'on The Force,' they do a good job and so on, of course, but for heaven's sake... )

Catcher In The Rye - You're supposed to read this when you're Sixteen. I'm not sure if it was ever really meant to be an ideal for living.

On The Road - As above, except add a few years.

Middlemarch - If you don't at least admire the way it's done, the plotting, the seamless characterisation, there's hardly a word in there that doesn't absolutely need to be, you are ( not to nick a trick off Flyboy, ) beneath contempt.

Thomas Hardy ( with huge apologies to everyone for the above, and following, snippiness ) - Well he's not as good as Poppy Z Brite, is he ? In comparison, the man's a total cock-horse. He must be literally turning in his grave, poor old Tom H, at the thought of the way his legacy has been entirely improved on, and laid to waste by finer minds, since.

I dare say someone's going to have a go at Joseph Conrad next, and then I will have to kill myself.

What if it isn't the novelist, essentially, who is a pretentious, la-de-dah loser clown lining up razorblades in the bathroom mirror, what, if in fact, that was just you ?

It probably isn't worth thinking about, but, like it or not, the idea the 100 Years Of Solitude is a 'bad book' in a world where someone like Tony Parsons gets a six figure deal for his latest ('unpretentious, life-as-it's-lived, ) atrocity, is frankly a disgrace to your integrity.

( Really not trying to start a fight here, unless of course it's about 'the ideas,' in which case, damnit, bring it on, motherf*******... I guess I'm going to the pub )
 
 
Loomis
19:11 / 18.06.05
Honestly Alex, wind your fucking neck in you twit.

Would you prefer it if I had begun this thread with a list of "literary" novels that I like, in order to prove my credentials? For fuck's sake. I, and no doubt the others who have posted to this thread, like plenty of supposedly difficult or literary books, but there are plenty that I think are shit.

Do you think that everything puiblished by Penguin Classics is good? If you honestly subscribe to such teenage dichotomies as Hardy vs Parsons or Rushdie vs Pratchett then you really need to consider why you like the books you like.

Did you ever think that a person can be an intelligent and sensitive reader but just not like every Booker prize winner or Penguin Classic, you condescending dick?
 
 
LykeX
19:13 / 18.06.05
Admittedly, it's a long time since I read it, but A Farewell to Arms never really caught me. I found annoying and boring.
The Lord of the Rings is rather slow at times and certain places are really hard to get through, but I still like it.
And don't get me started on Catcher in the Rye. Of course, I never actually got through the whole thing, so it might be unfair to judge it.

Feels good to get it out, doesn't it?
 
 
alterity
20:43 / 18.06.05
Thank you Loomis.

And I might remind the haters out there that this is a list of "over-rated" books, not necessarily "the worst books ever written" (which of course most of us will never have heard of much less read). It's hard to think of many classics that are not over-rated by someone. I know quite a few Joyceans who think that the Wake is the greatest thing ever. To me, it's not so I guess I think it's over-rated. The same can be said for Moby-Dick, Proust, Kafka, etc. This is not to say that these books are not great, but that one person's over-rated is another person's classic. So there you go.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:06 / 18.06.05
Well he's not as good as Poppy Z Brite, is he ?

You like Poppy Z Brite? What kind of literary lover are you? You've got a problem Alex.
 
 
sine
01:06 / 19.06.05
Infinite Jest.

I want to like it. My friends want me to like it. I just can't get over how forced so much of it feels. It seems like a thousand odd pages of self-consciously-clever lexico-wankery, and nothing more. It makes me grit my teeth.

Furthermore, everytime I see that author photo of DFW, I want to box him around the face with an oar.

I love A Hundred Years of Solitude though. That book has become a snow day snack-read for me, along with If on a Winter's Night a Traveller.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
09:26 / 19.06.05
sine - care to elaborate?

alex - are you being facetious again?

...

As for my (perceived/irrational) over-rated books, i'm having issues with "Life a users' manual" by Georges Perec. Dense! Gosh there's just too much going on. He's trying to out do/ beat Joyce and reading it is like being slowly suffocated. Minutia... gaah.
Maybe I have an issue with modernist writing.

%May I also mention the Bible%

*ducks for cover*
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:47 / 19.06.05
And might I remind the haters out there that this is a list of " over-rated " books, not necessarily " the worst book ever written. "

That's a reasonable point. I suppose I've just been a bit sensitive about 100 Years Of Solitude since my father threw it on the fire that christmas, and laughed while he was doing so - it was his present, from me.

I maintain, well as I said at the time, that virtually anyone would pretty much 'kill' to have written anything like as half as good...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:50 / 19.06.05
"The PROPHET" by Kahlil Gibran

It's all been said before, and (IMHO) far, far, better in any number of religeous texts. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'll "get it" one day, but even so, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!" Know what I mean?
 
 
astrojax69
01:58 / 20.06.05
people, people! why can't we all just get along...?

all right, so that is stolen, but this is a thread about over-rated books. so if a book like 100 yrs of solitude is so highly rated, and someone [say evil scientist] thinks that it is over-rated, then to hir, it is! e.s isn't saying it is a wholly crap, my god how can anyone over six write such drivel, kibda book. just over rated. i rated 100 yrs bery highly by the way, but can see why someone not taken by magic realism might not concur. tatste, people. it's inidividual.

i think some of the disputes about the over rating of books on this thread are over rated. (but i stick by middlemarch. seamless? only 'cause it was written by prissy seamstresses... )
 
  

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