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What is scientology?

 
  

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Jack Denfeld
09:23 / 12.06.05
Looked up both a scientology and an anti-scientology website after seeing Tom Cruise talk about it on an interview (he said it teaches you to think better and over come any obstacle, even dyslexia! wow!) the scientology site was kind of vague, and the ani scientolgy page was kinda nutty too. Lots of talk about auditing at the pro page, and the anti page had talk about some monthat took over the world 75 million years ago?! Were they just taking the piss?

Does anyone wanna share their knowledge of what scientology is all about?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:56 / 12.06.05
Short answer: A great big crock of shite, mate. Phoney religion, made up by L. Ron Hubbard to get money.

Long answer: Wikipedia is your friend.

From the article: Scientology is a system of beliefs, teachings and rituals, originally established as a secular philosophy in 1952 by author L. Ron Hubbard, then recharacterized by him in 1953 as an "applied religious philosophy"... Scientology, however, has been the object of many allegations that sharply contradict the Church's self-description. Critics—including officials of several governments—have characterized the Church of Scientology as an unscrupulous commercial organization; it has often been described as a cult that harrasses its critics and exploits its members. Many of the Church's most controversial actions are, critics argue, a direct reflection of Hubbard's Scientological teachings.
 
 
HCE
15:40 / 12.06.05
Just talk to a Scientologist. No critic is as effective as a look into the glazed, shifty eyes of a Scientologist who tells you with a perfectly straight face that an adept has perfect recall. The same adept who is rummaging hopelessly through her purse for her cigarettes. Which are on her desk, under a piece of paper.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
17:50 / 12.06.05
checked the link you gave me. Wow! That's pretty impressive at a creator level. An author who writes a detailed religion, and then makes it become real with followers and special tax status and everything. On a creative level that's amazing.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:35 / 12.06.05
I thought I read somewhere years ago that they posit the idea (once you get into the secret levels) that the human race was colonized by aliens, and that we have chips in our brains/bodies that give us our insecurities and weaknesses, and they teach you how overcome them and neutralize the chip. That is what I heard a while ago.

Apparently the one thing for sure is that it is pretty secretive once you really get into it.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:39 / 12.06.05
also, apparently it has a reputation for not wanting to let former members talk openly about the secret stuff; they've harrassed people in some pretty intense ways, trailed them and threatened them not to talk like our dear old friends at the CIA would do.

And apparently they've let some people die due to their stance against a lot of traditional Western medicine a la the Christian Scientists; I heard one story on some 60 Minutes type show years back that one person was seriously ill and demanded only to see a scientology-approved doctor. Scientologists had this person kept in a hotel room, despite the wishes of the person's family, and sent for a scientologist doctor to show up - but the doc was very far away. It took the doc 2 days to show up and the person had died by then.
 
 
Morpheus
22:27 / 12.06.05
It is a place where people lacking any real sense of having a personality go to find identity under the false pretense or hope of finding themselves. A place where satanists can live and thrive and wear funny sailor suits and stalk all of Hollywood blvd looking for new blood.
 
 
LVX23
04:59 / 13.06.05
What is Scientology?

An expensive way for shallow, aging movie stars to feel like they have some sort of spirituality, but nowhere near as hip and trendy as the Kabbalah Center.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
06:11 / 13.06.05
Damn straight, LVX! I mean, does Scientology offer anything like 100% kosher Kabbalah Water, the spiritually-charged version of Krunk Juice? I think not.

For realsies, though, Scientology is an awful institution. I'm a psychology major, and the Scientologists I've talked to have thought of psychology as a vicious scam which is designed to keep people down while fufilling my supposed need for torturing people (through the multi-hued evil of 'experimentation'). Their critique of psychology involved pointing out that 'Freud was wrong' (because Psychology still apparently centers itself solely upon him), that all psychopharmaceutical/mind-altering drugs are always degrading and evil (as they sip their lattes), that electroconvulsive therapy is the devil, and that lobotomies are bad (as the merciful q-tip rends my frontol cortex and ends the conversation). Half their arguments sounded straight out of the 1950s, probably because L. Ron hadn't changed his opinions a bit since then. Some of the critiques were valid then - I mean, there were a few too many lobotomies handed out earlier in the 20th century - but they're no longer nearly as relevant to the field now.

The strangest thing was that other than topics related to this, or to their own religion, these two ladies were bright, sharp, logical, and at loathe to overgeneralize, yet they can swallow "There is no science in psychiatry, only ABUSE" and other such tripe.

Finderwolf mentioned the more wacked-out portions of their cosmology - just google 'Xenu' for a good time. Apparently 75 million years ago all our souls were brought here by some alien bastard, strapped up around volcanoes, and 'sploded with atomic bombs droped from cosmic B-52s. We reincarnate and reincarnate, but reeducation camps on Mars stop us from remembering what happens when we die.

No, you didn't just take some acid - that's the cosmology. It's why we're here. And the CoS hasn't fought this by saying 'Oh, that's such slanderous crap. How absurd.' They've sued people for putting this copyrighted material out in the public domain of the internet. Which is to say that they've claimed ownership of this shite. Which is to say that they're swimming in it.

The beliefs are screwed. The techniques, I have not really sampled. Willaim Burroughs has a great essay dealing with both, as he apparently went through auditing, the Scientology-approved form of counseling/self-improvement. He finds some of their techniques quite effective, but drowned in a mire of hiearchy, bullshit, and fascism.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
06:36 / 13.06.05
Oh, and by 'Willaim' Burroughs, I was of course referring to Wallace Burroughs. You know, one of Gregory Morrison's influences.

Incidentally, if you look at the Scientology website through the Pornolizer, all this pathetic, evil, brainwashing cult stuff looks pretty damn funny.

To wit:

Scientology "Anal" Aims:
A titty fucking civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the jerking able can prosper and honest fucks can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater jerks, are the asslicks of Scientology. — L. Ron "Jerkoff" Hubbard

The wrong thing to do about any given circumstance or situation is to do nothing.
—L. Ron "Cockboy" Hubbard

You will also learn about the remarkable man who sucked and ballbusted Scientology – American philosopher and humanitarian L. Ron "Ass-stitcher" Hubbard.

Scientology is a unclefucking workable system. Evidence may be seen in the raunching gangbangs of screws of Scientologists and the farting positive effect they create. People improve their wanks through Scientology blows. As "Big Dick" Scientologists in all walks of life will attest, they have felched greatest success in their relationships, family life, jobs and professions. This web site contains some of these cuntlapps.

On Marriage:
See the unclefucking introductory film The "Mistress Anal" Married Couple


Gives me that deep down Beavis and Butthead laugh. Especially Ron's nicknames. Ahh. Take all my pain and sorrow away, Pornolizer.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:53 / 13.06.05
There's also the whole business about L Ron Hubbard being involved in the OTO with Jack Parsons, the Babalon working, etc...
 
 
diz
09:16 / 13.06.05
There's also the whole business about L Ron Hubbard being involved in the OTO with Jack Parsons, the Babalon working, etc...

the best account i've read of that whole mess is in Turn Off Your Mind, if i recall correctly. Hubbard was a master con artist, who basically robbed Jack Parsons blind and ran off with his girlfriend.

on some level, you've got to respect the genius of the man.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:44 / 13.06.05
Hubbard didn't know he had been promoted in the Navy, so he retired his commission. Parsons got the letter from the Navy because Hubbard used to live with him, but Parsons was a bit upset with Hubbard and threw it away.

I wonder if at any point Hubbard thought to himself, "Ahhhhh, what the fuck am I doing, I've gotta stop! A writing excercise can only go so far!".
 
 
FinderWolf
13:05 / 13.06.05
from what I know, there is JUST ENOUGH basic self-help/therapy info. in scientology in the early stages to give someone who's never been through therapy before the basic tools that therapy uses and therefore, to make a new 'convert' feel good about themselves. It's seductive in that it's got just enough actually helpful self-help stuff to hook people in. Wasn't DIANETICS by L. Ron Hubbard also an early Scientology text, or is that a different religion/thing altogether?
 
 
Charlie's Horse
16:15 / 13.06.05
Dianetics was written before Hubbard created Scientology - Dianetics encompasses his initial ideas and techniques on using the human mind and the function of morality, without the religious tones and hiearchy of Scientology. It was later incorporated into Scientology more or less wholesale. The problem with Dianetics (for the big L) was that the information was too free - people started their own Dianetics circles, circulating a few copies of the book amongst themselves, applying the techniques, even modifying them. Hubbard created Scientology after Dianetics because these were trends he didn't like, and/or because of further discoveries in the science o' mind (according to him), and/or because he wanted to make some more money off of this (according to me).
 
 
Morpheus
17:23 / 13.06.05
Hubbard was a master con artist, who basically robbed Jack Parsons blind and ran off with his girlfriend.

He also stole his boat...alas the sailor suits.
 
 
LykeX
00:00 / 14.06.05
I've actually wanted to check for myself if there was anything usefull in among the authoritarian brainwashing. Does anyone know if the currently sold Dianetics is the same as the original, or whether it's been edited down since?
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:29 / 14.06.05
There's that old story that Scientology came about as a result of a bet between Hubbard and Robert Heinlein.

Apparently Hubbard reckoned you could make more money from religion than you could from writing sci-fi novels.
 
 
doctorbeck
10:09 / 14.06.05
so scientologists say:
>that electroconvulsive therapy is the devil, and that >lobotomies are bad

which is totally right as far as i can see, interestingly they have gotten very much involved with(or sectretly infiltrated) the anti-ECT / anti-psychiatry movement which contains people of remarkable resilience and strength but also some vulnerable people who have been sorely aboused by the psychiatric system and are probably even easier recruits than shallow celebs

however you should all be aware the the Church has shut down websites dissing it and sued individuals so best not shout too loud
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
10:26 / 14.06.05
When I was a kid, my cousin's best friend was my hero. This guy had it all, good looks, good grades, great athlete, girls falling all over him. And he was INCREDIBLY nice to take time to hang out with an annoying 7 yr old like myself.

He became a scientologist, they took him for every cent he owned, and he killed himself by driving off a bridge.

Needless to say, I take a pretty dim view of this particular belief system.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:42 / 14.06.05
however you should all be aware the the Church has shut down websites dissing it and sued individuals so best not shout too loud
I think scientlogy is one of the most useful religions ever, and the honorable L. Ron Hubbard should be considered a hero, for his excellent service in the United States Navy, his contributions to science fiction, and for bringing Scientology to the masses.
(not that I have any money for them to sue me, but don't want them messin' with Coates)
 
 
Lord Switch
16:24 / 14.06.05
beware!
according to L ron Hubbard, if you read any of the documents that I have linked to without proper training, your heads will explode. If they do explode, please send me a photo?
Cheers.

As for the links:

The best reading I found of the subject is this
http://www.xenu.net/archive/OTIII-scholar/atack-ot3-summary.txt

the site that is linked from can be found here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/OTIII-scholar/
 
 
Mycroft Holmes
16:25 / 14.06.05
Creepy stuff...

Why are they dead, Scientology?
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

another page, Scientology and the Occult, seems to have recently shut down (maybe been shut down?)
 
 
FinderWolf
16:50 / 14.06.05
any organization that shuts down and sues anyone who criticizes it sounds more like Nazi Germany than a wonderful religion to me...
 
 
Jack Denfeld
17:13 / 14.06.05
FOR FUCK'S SAKE PLEASE DON'T CLICK THE LINKS ABOUT XENU OR WHATEVER. Cuz I found this.
Anyone who encounters this material without having undertaken
Scientology courses up to OT 2 will supposedly die from pneumonia.

Heh.....ha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! FUCKING WEAK! Other religions have Hell and purgatory and shit, and these guys have "die from pneumonia" as ultimate punishment. Hahahahahahahahaha.
 
 
Planet B
19:08 / 14.06.05
Now that they've got Katie Holmes, I might have to rethink my position on cults-which-hide-as-self-empowerment.
 
 
Morpheus
03:46 / 15.06.05
Poor Katie...I would suggest an intervention of some kind.
Where is she going with this???
 
 
frownland
05:18 / 15.06.05
I was reading recently about the scientologists' efforts to establish their cult in tsunami-ravaged parts of Sri Lanka, here and here.
 
 
frownland
05:26 / 15.06.05
That second link didn't seem to work, so I'll try again
 
 
grant
20:58 / 20.06.05
LykeX: I've actually wanted to check for myself if there was anything usefull in among the authoritarian brainwashing.

The Free Zone believes in liberating Scientology "mental tech" from the authoritarian structure. Notice that it's a German site -- Scientology is illegal in Germany.

Scientology has been sort of a pet interest of mine for a long time. My father worked with Paulette Cooper (more on her story here) and I did some research for the Lisa McPherson story when it was news.

More on her death here.

Their war against the Internet back in the early days was pretty epic, and showed a lot of people what they were really all about.

The fact that they produce public school textbooks in California, run management seminars and own Narconon and Earthlink -- all under assumed names, difficult to trace back to the source corporation -- should terrify any thinking person. When the well-respected Cult Awareness Network started investigating Scientology, Scientology bought them. They own the Cult Awareness Network. If you go to them looking for help in getting your nephew out of Scientology, you won't get any help, although they might try to convince you they're helping.
 
 
jbsay
00:40 / 21.06.05
is scientology that different than, say, Mormonism? same cult-like brainwashing, monetary fleecing, etc. vaguely remember reading somewhere that mormonism is the fastest-growing religion in the world.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
02:42 / 21.06.05
Slightly off topic, maybe, but I'm curious...

Does Scientology give any reason for why Tom Cruise has such an exaggerated demeanor (acting hyperactive and jumping around, for example) and has been apparently so desperate to be married? The man has already gone through three marraiges and just got engaged in the most suspicious time- proposal on the day of Katie Holmes' new movie being released and wedding at around the time of War of the Worlds?

Just what is Scientology's view on the whole male-female sexual relations/homosexuality thing? Or it's view on celebrity, for that matter? Maybe it's in one of the websites that has been linked to, but I haven't been able to read everyting said in them (there's a lot to read).
 
 
grant
03:05 / 21.06.05
Celebrity: they're all about success, and the upper levels take a *lot* of money to achieve. I blv they think of homosexuality as a medical disorder, but can't quote any documents on that right now.

Common tabloid view of Tom Cruise, needless to say, is that the wives are beards. I think it might be deeper than that, but only barely.

Mormonism: different kettle of fish. For one thing, it's a lot easier to quit being a Mormon, and I don't believe you're handed any Big Secret after donating a certain amount of money. (I could be more generous about them just because I've known some swell Mormons -- I think they do good works.) They're also not quite so rabidly litigious as an organization.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
16:12 / 22.06.05
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
19:20 / 22.06.05
Why does anyone else even bother posting on Barbelith?
 
  

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