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Lurid Archive
23:55 / 02.06.05
One of the things that surprised me about being a moderator is the extent to which people really seem to care a lot about correcting typos. You see, I think that in my time on Barbelith I have edited my own posts probably less than half a dozen times. I never revise, update, proof read or amend my own stuff. And it shows, I know.

But I was just wondering whats its like on the other side. To be really bothered by a spelling mistake, to feel the need to correct and improve. So tell me. Do you wear your hands down to the bone by all that typing to correct the last lot of typing you did, only to find the new set also needs correcting?
 
 
Liger Null
00:00 / 03.06.05
I am a horrible speller, and I usually preview my stuff a couple of times before I send it (I'm OCD that way). When I don't preview, I almost always regret it.

I usually only request a moderation if the actual meaning of the post is affected.
 
 
Lurid Archive
00:10 / 03.06.05
Actually, this is something of a recurring theme for me. When I write papers with others, my co-authors are always telling me that such and such an expression is completely unacceptable. I always give way, largely because I think that the changes are pointless and not worth fighting over. Though I am bemused at the strength of feeling that people have. So it turns out that although I am usually the only native english speaker in collaborations, I never do the proof-reading.
 
 
Olulabelle
00:12 / 03.06.05
I am seriously OCD about my own spelling and even other people's spelling.

There is actually a case of me asking for moderation on the beginning post of a thread, just because everytime I saw it it made me wince. It was a Random Q and A thread and was many pages long by the time I plucked up the courage to ask for it to be changed.

I'm surprised you don't get many moderation requests about spelling. I mostly get moderation requests from moderators changing minor things in their own posts!
 
 
Lurid Archive
00:18 / 03.06.05
I wasn't clear in that first post (should I change it? nah). I'm surprised at how many requests to correct typos I get. I always say yes, but I find it hard to imagine myself caring that much. I feel that this is probably a failure of empathy on my part.
 
 
iamus
00:20 / 03.06.05
I usually preview before posting. But when 90% of what you post on Barbelith is inane drivel, you at least better make sure it's spelled correctly.
 
 
Olulabelle
00:40 / 03.06.05
I don't think not caring is a failure on your part, but to be fair to everyone else much of the reason for that is that you're a good speller anyway. If you were horrific you might care more!
 
 
Smoothly
01:00 / 03.06.05
I'm somewhere in between, I think. I'm a terrible speller and am self-conscious about it. What's more annoying is that I often write sentences where the beginning doesn't match up with the end doesn't agree with the beginning. I try to preview posts before I hit submit, but I always miss stuff. I've occasionally requested an edit if it's annoying me, or where it could lead to misinterpretation, but generally I wouldn't want to burden mods with the workload.
By and large bad spelling doesn't bother me in other people's posts, although, like olulabelle, certain persistent ones do kinda jar on me. Is the Barbequotes thread still for the wit and wisdom of 'divers' Barbeloids?
 
 
Liger Null
01:11 / 03.06.05

If "divers" is good enough for Lovecraft, it's good enough for you!
 
 
grant
01:16 / 03.06.05
uh, that 'divers' is correct, actually. it's an old construction.

I'm sort of hung up on spelling myself, but don't much care for sentence structure/commas/especially capitalization/very especially sentence fragments.
 
 
Smoothly
01:26 / 03.06.05
God, how embarrassing. I should have known. Sorry Nick, didn't mean to cast aspersions.

Hmmm, perhaps I've been spelling more words correctly than I think I have.
 
 
astrojax69
04:58 / 03.06.05
i fume at bad grammar, spelling and sentence construction - but internally, mostly. in fact, i am often taken aback by posts that flame someone else's literary skills...

that said, i hate hate hate misuses of their/there/they're and its/it's... and less / fewer. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

usually i try to preview, or at least re-read, my own posts but, annoyingly, find errors (usually typos - i still have an annoying habit of typing 'thnaks' almost every time!) creeping in. that said, i eschew capitals and am pretty informal, also liking vernacular.

so i guess i am half and half... but the post is half filled!

i think what i like to see is that some care is taken to understand the language you use and then break convention once it is understood. learning a language well is a bloody hard slog and i am just jealous of pesky upstarts, really!! but i try to remain polite... calm. breathe. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:15 / 03.06.05
For me it's all about effective communication. After all, in this medium the only chance you have of somebody understanding you is to write clearly; a comprehensive use of grammar, punctuation, and diction is essential if you want to make sure you are not misunderstood.

That said, despite obsessively re-reading and proofing my work, I'm almost incapable of writing anything without a mistake sneaking in there somewhere. I can proof a "finished story" dozens of times, then leave it for a year, only to go back and realise I've (say) typed "their" instead of "there". I try not to beat myself up about it, but rather like a carpenter discovering a flaw in their work, I can't help but think that such errors are a sign of bad workmanship. Words are the tool of my trade and my readers (ahem) expect me to know how to use them properly. I mean, what's the point in struggling with poor writing if you feel the writer is speaking another language?

My usual excuse for such shoddy work is that the written word is not natural. Unlike other forms of communication where our innate senses are employed, we are not born with the ability to read words as it is not necessarily essential for survival. To some extent, I think therefore that we are all a little dyslexic.

Also, of course, as with all aspects of life, it's far easier to spot other people's mistakes than your own.

(Hmmm... After reading this post six times before posting and using a spell-check for back up, I wonder how many mistakes are hiding from my gaze, waiting to embarrass me at a later date?...)
 
 
Sekhmet
13:39 / 03.06.05
I am one of those people that confuse you so, ST.

I am actually a fantastic speller, and have a very firm grasp of grammar and punctuation. I have an English degree. I worked for a couple of years as a copyeditor. Unfortunately, I am also a really shitty typist.

I screw up something in nearly every post, and I always forget about that nifty little "preview" button, and then have to bother the lovely lovely mods because I will post something and then read it over and cringe and then lay awake for hours wondering if everyone thinks I am an illiterate moron, and then I start to worry that Haus will say something, and then I have to fix it, unless it's a run-on sentence which I happen to like sometimes because they can come across as energetic if they're done right.

Plus sometimes I post drunk.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:12 / 03.06.05
Words are the tool of my trade

Same here, in theory. However, it has recently come to my attention, courtesy of a respected member of this board, that I 'can barely string a sentence together,' never mind spell or use correct punctuation.

I'm not saying their wrong, either.
 
 
rising and revolving
20:16 / 03.06.05
I often edit/write for a living (it's definately my secondary task, but it's still a decent part of how I make my living) and I couldn't care less when it comes to online communication. As long as you don't lapse into leet speak, SMSese or that fucking annoying TOPY "ov, thee" crap.

I never preview, I rarely even read back over what I've written - that's not what online communications are for, to me.

That said, when I'm actually writing for real (ie, job stuff) I need to peel out some of my linguistic twitches that come from so much online writing - my overuse of hyphens, for one. It used to be ellipses, but it's hyphens these days.

In any case, I come from the other side of the coin - I write and edit for a living, so I can't be arsed doing it in my free time.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:30 / 03.06.05
I was taught to read and write by a dyslexic. I spellcheck shit if I'm being paid for it (or in hopes of being paid for it). Messageboards, Lj, ect: Fuck you, it's the internet, wear a hat.

(This being said, I reserve the right to rip the piss out of anyone who comes around claiming to be an ipsisimuusss.)
 
 
tea and biscuits
21:42 / 03.06.05
The automatic spellcheck on iChat (which I tend to keep open most of the time I'm online) has saved me from many an embarrassing mistake, I just plug any comments in there before posting. Unfortunately, it has caused me to become rather lazy in that I won't both to spell a longer word correctly as I know my handy electronic pal will help me out. I can still spell onomatopoeia independently though, thank God.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:22 / 05.06.05
Sometimes I find I car a lot, sometimes very little. If someone is making a very good point, some shortcomings in grammar and spelling would pass me by. If people are saying stuff with which I disagree mightily, then the fact that they can't observe basic rules of spelling and grammar would irritate the fuck out of me.

Sometimes I remember to preview but usually only if there's a link or an image in the post. Not being a mod, I have no idea how much effort is involved for other people in changing my text if I've filled it with typos. If it were a big hassle, I doubt I would be bothered. At the moment, my requests to do so would be related to my state of mind and level of pissedness.

But people who will not understand the difference between its and it's should be beaten senseless by the more aggressive and pedantic moderators (I'll do it for you, if you're squeamish) and straitjacketed in their bedrooms till they learn.
 
 
astrojax69
21:46 / 05.06.05
If someone is making a very good point, some shortcomings in grammar and spelling would pass me by. If people are saying stuff with which I disagree mightily, then the fact that they can't observe basic rules of spelling and grammar would irritate the fuck out of me.

ain't that da truth!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:23 / 05.06.05
I'm very compulsive about spelling mistakes and typos. I always moderate my posts when I realise I've made a mistake and often have an urge to go through those belonging to other people to sort their mistakes out as well. I never do, I just want to. Actually I can't read the summary for this thread because it's driving me mad.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:25 / 05.06.05
Incidentally names with small letters at the beginning inspire fondness in me, I never correct that mistake.
 
 
astrojax69
01:58 / 06.06.05
why, thanks nina!
 
 
alejandrodelloco
02:28 / 06.06.05
I am a grammar nazi already, so it is very important to me. I actually made a little comment in the moderation box which involved slitting my own wrists over bad punctuation.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
03:15 / 06.06.05
I'm a terrible pedant. Typos are forgivable... misplaced apostrophes (ESPECIALLY when used for plurals) and the like, (and "of" for "have") make me want to go and kill a bunch of people in the local shopping centre.

Unfortunately I often post drunk, so typos are kind of a way of life for me. Hence my policy of forgiveness toward them.
 
 
Yay Paul
12:48 / 06.06.05
My main down fall is I type way too fast and find doing so causes many many typos and grammar errors. Oh, there is also the fact I’m a total ass when it comes to spelling!

I'll generally spell check my posts, but if you think I’m opening an evil MS application just to check grammar you're very wrong indeed!

Humm, learning this in school probably would have been a good idea; I always knew there'd be a down side to too many women, parties and missing PE.

Although I used to run cross country so I didn't really miss out on the exercise, I just really really dislike PE teachers...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:44 / 06.06.05
Ah, cross-country running... for the kids the PE teachers had given up on. No need for hand-eye coordination, no strain on the muscles, no need for supervision.
 
 
Axolotl
14:05 / 06.06.05
That's harsh Haus, and untrue, they had to supervise cross-country running otherwise everyone sloped off into the woods for a smoke before reappearing 40 minutes later claiming to have run the entire course. Or maybe that was just my school.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:06 / 06.06.05
Hmmm. That would explain why I always seemed to be in the lead.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
14:16 / 06.06.05
"Cough-cough.. You... cough-splutter.... fools.... cough..."
 
 
Yay Paul
14:37 / 06.06.05
The teachers always did think it was weird I came in nearly last, when I ran for the county. I was going to say "how they never knew..." but truth is they were probably off getting high or giving in to their alcohol abuse anyhow.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:53 / 06.06.05
Dude, live with it. Cross-country running is not a sport. It's a means of travelling from one point to another while wearing a vest. They just wanted you out of the way.
 
 
sleazenation
17:13 / 06.06.05
I also though cross-country running was neither a sport nor worthy of my time so I cut out half the course, nipped to the shop and still came in with a noteworthy time, so noteworthy in fact that it got me selected for the county finals...

That I did not come last in said event probably means that there were others out there in the same sort of tricks...
 
 
Slim
17:29 / 06.06.05
I ran track, cross country and played soccer for my school. Looking back, cross country was for people too slow to run track and not athletic enough to play a "major" sport. It's a recreational activity, really. People like myself participated in order to keep in shape for sports we actually cared about.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:05 / 06.06.05
Hooray for the fit, athletic types who are going straight to Heaven when they die. I was firmly in the stopping for a fly fag in the woods and a quick fish supper in the village near the school camp when I crossed country. But then I'm a Scot and grease is a major food group of its own to me.
 
  

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