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Transducer - What to do?

  
  

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Ganesh
16:01 / 12.06.05
Ganesh, pardon me for confusing you with Gypsy, I am not used to seeing your name in the Temple.

No problem, but this sort of thing is part of the reason I'm wary of coming here very often.

Ganesh, I am in NO BLOODY WAY blaming Seth. Where did you get that out of my posts?

Have you read your posts? I'm sorry if that's flippant or rude and, as flagged up earlier, I'm aware that I come to the table here with relatively little preconception of the political history of individuals rubbing abrasively against one another in the Temple - but, in the 'Personal and Global Workings' thread, it certainly appears to the callow outsider that you're focussing first of all on the Transducer as the source of personal misfortune, then, since Seth was majorly involved in setting up the Transducer (as I understand it), on him.

Apologies if this is a simplistic reading. I don't believe, however, that it's such a wayyy out, WTF reading that it engenders much surprise in anyone. I'm really not up on the individuals concerned, so I'm not equipped to speculate on how your apparent suspicion (re: the Transducer and, subsequently, Seth himself) actually arose, but the fact that you evidently feel you've been "ignored, deceived or flamed", are prepared to accuse Seth of dishonesty and readily insinuate that there exists a "smear campaign" (of which Seth's behaviour is "proof") suggests a sense of victimisation on your part, with more than a little gesturing toward those you feel are responsible.

Ganesh, read my posts again if all you are getting out of this is that I am blaming Seth. I am concerned there is something wrong with TRANSDUCER as was brought to our attention by Badha Catha, who unfortunately never had the gumption to add anything productive to help the situation ze raised.

I've read your posts again. Initially, they appear to be relatively unfocussed expressions of resentment that bad things are happening to you, that this relates to the Transducer, and that you intend to "get to the bottom of it"; implication being, there is a malign influence associated with the Transducer.

Leaving aside the issue of Seth himself, what's your evidence for this? I barely have a sense of what the Transducer actually is or is meant to be, but I'd hugely appreciate it if you could explain, slowly and carefully, why you think it has affected your life for the worse, and lay out the evidence for this. If I'm completely barking up the wrong tree I'll accept that, but as things stand, it seems to me, Strix, that you're very angry indeed, and searching for a receptacle in which to dump that anger. I don't understand the grounds on which you've apparently decided the Transducer is that receptacle.

Maybe this is all about politics, maybe nothing did happen, or maybe is functioned satisfactorily and the reason for criticsizing the Transducer is a personal attack, (especially since there is so much discouragement to change the issues raised). Whatever the case, I want to get to the bottom of it.

All of which presupposes there's a bottom to get to, an agenda to be uncovered. I'm not convinced this is actually the case, and would welcome any evidence to support the assertion that the Transducer has any connection with unhappiness or bad luck in your life, Strix.
 
 
Papess
16:07 / 12.06.05
Haus: Well it shouldn't be descending into tail-chasing if there is intention of working the problem out. Secluding the discussion is only a way to hide the matter, making it less accessible.

It is fairly simple.

1. Figure out if the accusations made about the Transducer are founded.

2. Do something to change the problems that are percieved.

If these things cannot be dealt with openly and honestly, then I think there is something else going on here.
 
 
Papess
16:26 / 12.06.05
Ganesh:

Have you read your posts? I'm sorry if that's flippant or rude and, as flagged up earlier, I'm aware that I come to the table here with relatively little preconception of the political history of individuals rubbing abrasively against one another in the Temple - but, in the 'Personal and Global Workings' thread,

Part of the agreement of creating this thread was that the discussion and disagreements of 'Personal and Global Workings' thread would not be relived here.

...it certainly appears to the callow outsider that you're focussing first of all on the Transducer as the source of personal misfortune, then, since Seth was majorly involved in setting up the Transducer (as I understand it), on him.

You are mistaken. Seth was NOT involved in the Transducer working. I was upset with him due to having asked him as a moderator of this forum to start a discussion on what to do with the Transducer (what I am attempting with this thread), after some accusations were made by Badha Catha, (who it seems is also Babooshka/Ierne, or perhaps not, as I am suspicious of the actual identities of these ficsuits)

I have experienced incredible amounts of negativity and violence since the time of the Transducer working. Since it was brought up two years ago that something is wrong with Transducer, I thought there might be a connection. I recognize that others have also had some very negative experiences that are beyond the norm in connnection with Barbelith. It deserves to be investigated, since it was suggested. It should have been done two years ago, which was my issue with Seth, as I couldn't set up that discussion due to intimidating accusation made aginst me.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:38 / 12.06.05
Haus: I'm wondering at this point whether it's worth embargoing discussion on this on Barbelith for, like, a week or so

I'd certainly support that. IMO, this business is having a negative impact on the Temple. I am still not sure why it has been brought up now, but I don't think it's doing anyone any favours.

Strix: It is fairly simple.

1. Figure out if the accusations made about the Transducer are founded.

2. Do something to change the problems that are percieved.

Well, it might help if we knew what those accusations were, specifically. Right now all we've got is a sort of nebulous free-roaming ick that serves only to generate ill feeling without offering the potential to resolve anything.

Ganesh: it certainly appears to the callow outsider that you're focussing first of all on the Transducer as the source of personal misfortune, then, since Seth was majorly involved in setting up the Transducer (as I understand it), on him.

'Nesh, that's not quite right. Seth was not involved in the actual working except in a sort of consulting capacity. What I took away from that thread and certain other comments was the suggestion that

a)Seth had distracted everyone away from the Transducer by encouraging them to work with Barbelith (not the board, the big round red Barbelith), thus possibly leaving an abandoned servitor to go septic--and

b)that he was doing the same thing again WRT the pop-culture icon workings.

Forgive me if I've misinterpreted anything.

Perhaps taking a break for a week or so would allow those with concerns to put those concerns down in a more concrete form, such that ehy can be properly addressed. Otherwise, I'm afraid we're just going to go round in circles. If we don't know what people's concerns *are* (that someone pulled a fast one during the original working? That the Mango has got bored and started taking pot shots at us? That it's been bitten by a radioactive shoggoth?) we can't really deal with them.

NB: I must confess a certain personal motivation for wishing to take a break from all this, in that I still feel that (along with others involved in the initial working) my practice and my integrity are being attacked here without real evidence or explanation. This affects me very deeply.
 
 
Ganesh
16:47 / 12.06.05
'Nesh, that's not quite right. Seth was not involved in the actual working except in a sort of consulting capacity. What I took away from that thread and certain other comments was the suggestion that

a)Seth had distracted everyone away from the Transducer by encouraging them to work with Barbelith (not the board, the big round red Barbelith), thus possibly leaving an abandoned servitor to go septic--and

b)that he was doing the same thing again WRT the pop-culture icon workings.

Cheers. I'm finding the whole thing rather bemusing and, frankly, tedious - like listening to someone else's dreams or delusional system elucidated in full, technicolour detail. To the casual observer, it makes the Temple appear, at times, not unlike the Tory Party.
 
 
Ganesh
16:52 / 12.06.05
Apologies, Strix. I was confused by your snarkiness toward Seth in the other thread Of Which I Will No Longer Speak. Assuming this is about Ierne, then.

I have experienced incredible amounts of negativity and violence since the time of the Transducer working. Since it was brought up two years ago that something is wrong with Transducer, I thought there might be a connection. I recognize that others have also had some very negative experiences that are beyond the norm in connnection with Barbelith.

What's the "norm" for negative experiences in life?

It deserves to be investigated, since it was suggested. It should have been done two years ago, which was my issue with Seth, as I couldn't set up that discussion due to intimidating accusation made aginst me.

Did Seth make the "intimidating accusation", then?

How would one go about 'investigating' whether bad shit in one's life were the result of a group working on a message-board?
 
 
sine
16:52 / 12.06.05
I haven't followed the issues with Transducer very closely, I'll admit, so my advice may or may not be useful; however, if the problem is not being able to/not wanting to decommission Transducer, have you considered adding to it?

Back in 2001, I had hastily slapped together a group to build a servitor, with a friend of mine hoping we might be able to kick it up to "egregore" over time. I foolishly relied on the judgment of those members who were well known to me for the selection of several who weren't. There seemed some tension at first, but I dismissed it as social nerves. However, after the initial set of five workings were complete, it became clear that internal strains in the group were getting worse, not better. Shortly thereafter one of the members I had not known previously began to threaten one I had, and a series of investigative emails and phone calls later, I decided that if this individual wasn't in fact a sociopath, it was a close thing. After speaking with him and trying to defuse the situation unsuccessfully, I disbanded the group.

The problem was that the design of the servitor "interface" was a sort-of loose parlimentary structure (with entreaties based on Robert's Rules of Order) intended to prevent individual abuses. Therefore, under our preconditions, dissolving the entity required unanimity, and the near-sociopath in question denied us cooperation out of spite.

At first, I considered just letting it go - but after a couple of weeks, other members started to complain about runs of bad luck, bad dreams, etc. I found several letters in my inbox that were pointed to the edge of panic about how the servitor had "gone schizo" - I'll admit, I thought a certain amount of this was just the occult-hypochrondria typical of any feuding group of 'workers (or any non-feuding group for that matter ) but on the other hand, I didn't want things to get to the point of something really bad happening if I could nip it in the bud right away.

After a great deal of thought, the final procedure I settled on with the other six (excluding, of course, the bad seed), was the creation of second construct which we called "The Governor" - the sole purpose of this second entity being to monitor and limit the actions of the first. With the addition of this second module, reports of badness fell off sharply, so I would say it was a success. I understand that the bad seed has since become some kind of Born Again Christian, but reserve my commentary on or interpretation of that rumour.

Anyway, all that to say - if you're concerned that Transducer may not be functioning along the lines you had intended and are worried that some kind of mnemonic inertia will garble any changes you try to make in it, I recommend building and setting a watchdog on it.

Not sure if that's helpful, but there you are.
 
 
Papess
17:07 / 12.06.05
Well, it might help if we knew what those accusations were, specifically. Right now all we've got is a sort of nebulous free-roaming ick that serves only to generate ill feeling without offering the potential to resolve anything.


I have stated this over and over again. Badha Catha suggested that Transducer was not effective and perhaps deffective, and there were accusations made against me that I had tampered with Transducer.

As for your integrity MC: I am sorry you feel that way, as this is not a personal attack, but if you are feeling that way, how do you think I feel? Which is why I want to do something about it.
 
 
Ganesh
17:10 / 12.06.05
Which is why I want to do something about it.

Other than posting about it here, what do you intend to do about it? And could whateveryou'regonnado be done off the board?
 
 
Papess
17:18 / 12.06.05
Ganesh, the Transducer was created here. The issues raised about Transducer was done here. So tell me, why would the resolutions be done off-board?

the fact that this all has become so negative is partially convincing me that something has malfunctioned or an indication of some foul-play.
 
 
Papess
17:25 / 12.06.05
...what do you intend to do about it?

I have made the point before that this is not MY sole responsibility. I created this thread to find out what needs to be done.

Also, the negative things in my life have been far beyond the norm of the rest of my life.

Sine: I like the watchdog idea. Maybe we could work on that.


I would also like to state that just because this is difficult for people, is no reason to cease this investigation and resolution. I stepped back from this for two years and so did everyone else. to ask for that again is just stalling.
 
 
Ganesh
17:25 / 12.06.05
Ganesh, the Transducer was created here. The issues raised about Transducer was done here. So tell me, why would the resolutions be done off-board?

To spare those not involved (ie. incidental/potential users of the Temple) the tedium and irritation of what is, essentially, a personal dispute grown old, arcane and rancid?

the fact that this all has become so negative is partially convincing me that something has malfunctioned or an indication of some foul-play.

Logically, that doesn't follow. To me, it's far more likely that it's all become negative because the individuals involved (and, recently, that's primarily you, Strix) have created the conditions in which ancient resentments can and will fester on and on and on and on and on.

Just let the matter go.
 
 
Papess
17:32 / 12.06.05
Ganesh: It is not a personal issue if people here created a servitor that is disfunctional. That is what this thread is about.
 
 
Ganesh
17:37 / 12.06.05
It's personal, Strix, because you cannot objectively point to a "servitor", say, "that's dysfunctional" then link it causally to bad shit happening in your life.

Or perhaps you can. In which case, I'd be intrigued to hear your methodology.
 
 
Papess
17:46 / 12.06.05
That is fine Ganesh, my evidence is not water-tight. However, this issue was not brought about by me. It was brought about by Badha Catha (although Babooshka also laid claim to bringing it up).

This thread is an investigation into the possibility that something malfunctioned and if so, what can be done about it.
 
 
sine
17:52 / 12.06.05
I'm probably going to regret getting involved in this, but...

With all of my substantial respect for you in mind, Ganesh, I disagree.

The idea that this argument or slander-fest or mad-anxious-whirling negatively affects any of us not-directly-involved, or potential 'lithers or what have you - I dunno...no one forces us to read the threads. Yeah, it is tedious. Yeah, it crossed some kind of line into personal attack, or at least felt that way. Yeah, it does little to contribute to what warm fellow-feeling we manage to squeeze from this forum. Still, I'm not sure that just cutting the discussion off or dropping it is the best course of action. You would know better than I, but it seems to me that there are some psychological wounds here - people are obviously very upset - and as much as I would like to see those wounds bandaged, I think they should be cleaned first.

I wasn't a participant in the original working. I'm not sure I agree with the theory or methodology involved either, though I appreciate and respect the intent.

So...perhaps those involved should decide their own answer to one question, while attempting to temporarily suspend any examination of their bruises: should Transducer be stopped, if only to be on the safe side; and if so, how?

That's my outsider's suggestion. I also think the answer is obvious. Beyond deciding the answer to that question, discussion seems vaguely irrelevant.

Don't drop it; fix it.
 
 
Ganesh
17:55 / 12.06.05
So.

How.

Do.

You.

Propose.

To.

'Investigate'?

I don't think you have a way of establishing a connection, or apportioning responsibility. I don't think you can establish a causal connection in the mind of anyone who isn't you. To those of us peripheral to the main hoopla, this is not only thoroughly boring, but has no discernable end-point. Given that there's no way - that I can see - of establishing that bad shit in your life is causally related to the Transducer, there is no way you're gonna "get to the bottom of it all".

So drop it. Please.
 
 
Ganesh
17:57 / 12.06.05
Don't drop it; fix it.

Fix it somewhere else, then.
 
 
Papess
18:17 / 12.06.05
Sidetracking this thread is not going to help any investigating of the issues raised regarding the functioning of Transducer.

The working was done here.
The issue was raised here.
the situation should be resolved here.

To suggest it be taken elsewhere is a refusal to accept responsibility and leave it up to others to have to clean up the mess, just so callow observers and (god forbid) new members don't have to deal with it, or (god forbid) get a bad impression of the Temple or Barbelith.

Ganesh, if your adive is to do nothing or take it elsewhere, then I cannot accomodate that and maybe you shouldn't read this thread if it bothers you so much.

I would prefer that people who were interested in actually solving the problems, if there truly are some, post to this thread.

However, I cannot stop you from reading or posting here, it is just a suggestion if if it bothers you so much.
 
 
Ganesh
18:27 / 12.06.05
My message is not "do nothing". My message/question is, "how do you propose to 'investigate'?" It's not side-tracking, it's the central concern of the thread. I don't think you can even establish a causal link between the Transducer and bad stuff going on in your life, in which case you're stuck with talking about it, pointlessly rehashing old battles.

If you know different, tell me. How do you know the Transducer is connected to negative experiences in your life? Lay out your evidence, please.
 
 
Papess
18:49 / 12.06.05
Ganesh, did you not say "So drop it. Please.". That is certainly asking for nothing to be done.

Well Ganesh, my only evidence at the moment, is the timing of events. Besides that, it is up to the initiator of the suggestion of malfunction to prove their point, which entails part of the investigation.

Perhaps you may want to hook up with Badha Catha and ask them for evidence of their allegations. (While you are at it, you may want to ask Babooshka what evidence they have that I tampered with Transducer. Why is it just me who should be providing evidence?) I have provided a place to do that with this thread if BC would care to join the discussion and explain hirself, or give their evidence to support their allegations.
 
 
Ganesh
19:11 / 12.06.05
Ganesh, did you not say "So drop it. Please.". That is certainly asking for nothing to be done.

I said that, amongst other phrases - including "what do you intend to do about it?", "I'd be intrigued to hear your methodology" and variants of the same sentiment.

I don't want you to nothing, necessarily. I simply don't want you to do what you have been (and, it seems, intend to continue) doing: reiterating here that there is a connection between negative events in your life and the Transducer, and that you intend to "get to the bottom of it" - providing no convincing evidence for the first, and no proposed plan for the second.

It seems to me that, since you can provide neither a method of 'investigation' nor evidence of the need for one, that you're going to continue within a seeming-endless (and very boring) loop of making insinuations in the hope that... what? Ierne (or whoever) might pop up, say, "yeah, it was me, I did it all, sorry" and restore your life to the "norm" (whatever that is - something else that's yet to be clarified)?

Well Ganesh, my only evidence at the moment, is the timing of events. Besides that, it is up to the initiator of the suggestion of malfunction to prove their point, which entails part of the investigation.

And how might they "prove their point"? How might you get them to do so? By banging on and on about it all indefinitely?

Perhaps you may want to hook up with Badha Catha and ask them for evidence of their allegations. (While you are at it, you may want to ask Babooshka what evidence they have that I tampered with Transducer. Why is it just me who should be providing evidence?) I have provided a place to do that with this thread if BC would care to join the discussion and explain hirself, or give their evidence to support their allegations.

No, I don't want to do any of this, because it really isn't terribly interesting. It's old, it's boring and, frankly, it makes you appear paranoid, fixated and lacking in intellectual rigour. You're operating on an assumption (Transducer is connected to bad shit) for which you can provide no evidence other than temporal coincidence (and it's you who should be providing evidence because it's you who's stuck on Insinuate in an apparently perpetual loop).

You can do whatever you want, of course. As a user of Barbelith, though, I'm asking that you avoid doing it here, again and again. I can't see the gain here, only the tedium.
 
 
Papess
19:16 / 12.06.05
I AM NOT THE ONE WHO STATED THAT THE TRANSDUCER WAS MALFUNCTIONING!

I do think it is possible it did, however, and THIS THREAD is the way for discussion on how to do something about it.

You asking the question, "What do you intend to do about it" is what this thread is about!
 
 
Papess
19:20 / 12.06.05
You asking the question, "What do you intend to do about it" is what this thread is about!

Well, not specifically you, Ganesh. But that you ask that question in this thread is, well...redundant.
 
 
Ganesh
19:27 / 12.06.05
You asking the question, "What do you intend to do about it" is what this thread is about!

Well, you've been talking in terms of mounting an 'investigation', which suggests there is some need of such an investigation. I'm asking

a) what is your evidence that the Transducer is causally linked to your own negative experiences?

and

b) how would you go about 'investigating' such a thing?

I ask this because it's clear (judging by several moderator responses, up there in the Policy) that in the process of your 'investigation' (which, as far as I can see, has no structure, method or established point), you're generating considerable negativity yourself, here on Barbelith. Personally, I'm having difficulty seeing any perceived gain to offset this.
 
 
sine
20:30 / 12.06.05
I would agree that the questions of investigation and evidence-of-causality are intractable and probably pointless.

I reiterate: if you have a suspicion that your servitor has gone off, why not simply shut it down? Perhaps I've missed something (I am after all just tuning in, so bear with my naivete) so I'll ask outright: is there anybody here, anybody at all, that sees a compelling reason NOT to shut down Transducer? If not, then I think this thread still has a purpose as a clearinghouse for ideas on the HOW of dismantling, inhibiting, or otherwise stopping the Space Mango or whatever. Maybe it is fucking with people, maybe it isn't. Get rid of it.

That's my suggestion on the direction I think this thread might still profitably take, and made my contribution in that direction earlier. Is there some contradictory line of reasoning or circumstance that I'm not privvy to?
 
 
Papess
20:42 / 12.06.05
Perhaps I've missed something (I am after all just tuning in, so bear with my naivete) so I'll ask outright: is there anybody here, anybody at all, that sees a compelling reason NOT to shut down Transducer?

I have no problem with that. I would shut it down and would think finding a way to do that would be an appropriate next step. I even suggested it two years ago.

Still, I am curious as to what went wrong with it, for the sake of learning from it. That would benefit everyone.
 
 
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21:13 / 12.06.05
Still, I am curious as to what went wrong with it, for the sake of learning from it. That would benefit everyone.

Maybe if anything has gone wrong it could be because it buckled under the sheer weight of the task it had been given. The world is an obviously complicated place, and we probably have to do something that takes a lot more effort than making a servitor to fix our problems for us. I don't know, and I don't mean any offence by that either.

Or, maybe it really was working, and something out there stopped it from working as well because it just wasn't time for something like that.

From here though it also looks like you're having problems with things in your life Strix and you're possibly attributing a lot of that to the Transducer, when it's possibly something completely different that's the cause.

I've had problems in the past, and I've made this and that the cause of them, things that I've been certain have been the root of it, sometimes crazy stuff that I've been absolutely certain about. Physical sensations, visions, depressions, attacks, sounds, and on and on, but looking back........it's often been what I've been fixated on at the time, and my mind has 'helped' these things become more and more real, even to the point of almost madness.

Maybe you're having one of those wierd times, and you have a slight case of this, the Transducer could be the thing that your mind has chosen to direct the negative vibes onto. I know I could be wrong, and that it's not easy to see something like this, but I'm sure our minds are a lot more powerful than we often like to admit, and this could easily be the case.

But still, check it out if you feel so strongly about it. The list of people who started the working is in one of the threads, so pm'ing them if you think of something and maybe try to synchronize a closing ritual or something?

I know you want to find out what could have gone wrong with the Transducer, but at the same time it could be like trying to find the broken pieces of an encrypted riddle that's scattered out over time and many different areas and vibrations of the astral plane. It could be almost impossible to find out what happened, but I don't think that closing the Transducer down would be a hard thing to do at all, especially after all that's gone on here.

Still though, good luck and I'm hoping you get this sussed, it must be drawing to an end for you by now.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:10 / 13.06.05
>> I'm asking ... what is your evidence that the Transducer is causally linked to your own negative experiences?

I was wondering this too. How do we know that anything has gone wrong at all? What if it's just chilling out in its Transducer-ness? I still love that Peace Mango song and have only positive vibes and memories of the mango and the transducer. So we didn't stop world wars. Did we really expect to stop wars and violence and negativity with one working?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:31 / 13.06.05
Strix, I want to know what this negativity is that the transducer has caused you? Not bad feeling, you said that you've been having negative experiences caused by the transducer, what are they??

In the other thread you said that you'd answer my question but you didn't. In fact you've been steadily avoiding it.

And if you dare bring up Ierne or slander in response to me instead of answering a perfectly reasonable question that relates solely to your own experience with the transducer I'm going to let it rip.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:58 / 13.06.05
it seems like there's an awful lot of drama and personal attacks here, maybe not having to do so much with the Transducer at all...? Just an observation from an outsider who's not invested in this particular discussion.
 
 
Ganesh
17:19 / 13.06.05
it seems like there's an awful lot of drama and personal attacks here, maybe not having to do so much with the Transducer at all...?

B-i-n-g-o.

(IMHO, etc.)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:44 / 13.06.05
With regret--with much regret--I find myself forced to agree. I really don't see what has been acheived here, other than to rake over old conflicts, open old wounds, and attack other posters.

Strix, I hope you realise that the way you've conducted yourself here has actually done your image far more harm than the initial "slander" (which, by the way, would have remained dead and buried if you hadn't raked it up)? Because people do tend to judge each other more on how they act than what is said about them.

Given the lack of respect you've demonstrated I imagine this will mean very little to you, but you've alienated some people who'd previously thought you were okay. Including me.
 
 
illmatic
08:47 / 14.06.05
I kind of line up here with Mordant, Ganesh etc. Without wishing to insult you, it looks to me simply like raking of over of old conflicts and frustrations - plus the attribution of blame for unspecified "bad shit" on discarnate entities rather than looking for causes closer to home.

I'd add that although you can't be responsible for other people's actions, you can be responsble for your own. And if you sincerely believe the Transducer is responsible for all the bad shit in your life for the last two years, then do some kind of symbolic/ritual action to close it (good suggestions for this in the opening posts of this thread) rather than waiting for other people to reach a consensus or align with you. No one else here is concerned about this complex of issues other than you so it's a waste of time to wait for people to agree with you, or mount an "investigation". Banish, centre, and move onto something more productive.
 
 
cusm
04:19 / 20.06.05
And now, to point out the obvious.

The purpose of the Transducer was to suck up negative energy, and convert it to peace and happy vibes.

Those connected to it quickly became enflamed with negativity soon after its launch.

Later attempts to work with it (this thread) result in yet more seemingly pointless negativity and squabbling.

It seems pretty darn broken to me.

Now, I've spent some time investigating the original drama around this, and found nothing conclusive, save a fair bit of madness all around. In my opinion, I don't think it was created with ill intent, but I do suspect it is either flawed, or it is not being used properly, and this flaw helped to create the initial drama.

From a more technical standpoint, it seems the negative energy it transduces is being sent instead to those involved with it. So perhaps it is doing its job, sucking up negative energy, but instead of converting it into peace it is pumping it into the people connected to it. I suspect the problem is a matter of shielding.

I recommend those working with it currently to sever their connections with it, and if further work is to be done with it let it be directed towards reprogramming the transducing bit. It may be that it is sending peace vibes out to the world, but you are getting the shit instead. That's not terribly helpful, and its probably best working on its own without contact or a new interface should be developed before it is approached again.
 
  

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