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Johnny come lately to this, hope I'm not just going over well tread ground.
From the Gurdian article:
"The point of origin is obviously black American hip-hop culture, now thoroughly mainstream and a key part of the global economy of music through Eminem and others. Leisure- and sportswear adopted for everyday wear suggests a distance from the world of office [suit] or school [uniform]."
Or, you know, jogging.
Posted by Haus
"Banning people with their hoods up"
I thought it was the banning of all hoodies? Not just wearing them up.
Also post by Haus
"class profiling"
I was under the impression that the Hoodie was pretty much a universal cross class garment and this was more a generational issue.
In terms of a commercial operation banning an item of clothing, from a consumer perspective I resent having to make an effort with my dress (regardless of how small), effectively to jump through hoops to give someone my money.
Posted by Phyrephox
"Bluewater banning hooded tops would seem to be an example of the fairly common practice of companies banning certain clothes that have become associated with "yob culture" (TM Daily Mail)."
This doesn't make a great deal of sense, I don't know much about Bluewater and how difficult it is to police but certainly in the case of pubs would it not make more sense and be easier to police if the banned the troublemakers themselves, you know, so they don't go home and change.
Posted by Bucky
"moreso than previous generations of British youth"
Society is a lot less violent now than it was during Victorian time in Britain. I'm not sure how obvious that statement is, just that their seems to be some often posited halcyon days of yester year in some sections of the press that don't quite seem to hold up.
Actually the media have a lot to answer for in this. My particular favorite is the binge drinking scare tactics, it's not that city centres have become more dangerous it's just that there are more cameras to capture the incidents that do happen. My Dad once described to mee kicking out times at the pubs in Dundee during the fifties, if he is to be believed half the drinkers of the day ended up getting a kicking in the back of Black Marias, of course that may have just been Dundee.
Posted by Smoothly
"Do the rights of people to dress how they want outweigh the rights of people not to feel that intimidated by a particular kind of behaviour?"
Surely there's room for both if they actively policed the problem rather than waht I am not even sure is a symptom of the problem.
Besides I used to manage to shoplift very well without the benfit of a hoody or baseball cap. Mind you I did eventually get caught so maybe I should of worn said apparrel.
Posted by Smoothly
"If it was demonstrated that a section of society was sufficiently intimidated by the (albeit legal) behaviour of another, so that they did not feel comfortable or safe in a particular environment, how do we weigh this against the freedom of first section to behave in that way?"
But that's just it, if it's a case of perception and the be-hooded types are just that and not doing things thay could get arrested/thrown out for like shop lifting, threatening behaviour etc. then surely educating people not to be afraid of them (after all they're still going to encounter them in other places) and generally attacking this CCTV culture of fear would be a better idea?
Posted by Nick
"(Regarding the keffiyeh; I thought the colours refered to different stages of the intifada and the struggle, but I can't find any evidence for that. I also would have sworn that Arafat wore a red & white one from time to time. So, you know. Maybe it means different things to different people.)"
Really? I thought it was to do with rank within a familial or clan structure?
Origianlly posted by Stoatie
"It's like the thing about making it an offence to incite violence for religious, or racial, or whatver reasons. Surely incitement to violence is ALREADY against the law? Why not just enforce the laws we've already got properly, see if you manage to cover some of the same ground?"
Bingo
Also posted by Stoatie
"on all three occasions when I've been attacked, none of the fuckers were wearing one."
This should be a letter to the Daily Mail and your MP, you should rail bitterly about your attackers not being properly attired in a way that you had been lead to believe, which at least would've allowed you some warning. |
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