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Warren Ellis writes JLA: Classified

 
  

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Spaniel
14:50 / 29.04.05
Well, all that said. 3 fucking double pages spreads is taking the piss.

The rocket on the tarmac
The rocket takes off
The rocket flies through an inter-dimensional portal.

That. Is. Fucking. Shit.
Objectively, fact-of-the-universe, shit

If you think that's a contentious statement then there's no hope for you, I'm afraid.
 
 
Spaniel
15:03 / 29.04.05
'Rosencrantz and Guildenstern...', 'Lost Highway', 'The Ticket That Exploded', 'Soft Machine', 'The Hitchhiker's Guide...' Trilogy of five, 'The Long Goodbye' and 'Night of the Hunter'... am I alone in these sprawling/complicated/nonexistent/nonstandard plots not taking away from my enjoyment of the works, whatsoever?

Of course not.

But we're not talking about formally innovative and interesting works of art, we're talking about some pretty trashy comics that cost 2 quid a pop. Forcryeye!
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:07 / 29.04.05
So, that’s 6 pages out of 24 that show the rocket taking off etc ? A full 25% of the comic ? Blimey.
As the young people put it, “that’s what I’m talking about”…
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:26 / 29.04.05
How about an entire ongoing series with every single page featuring a rocket taking off. From every angle. Called 'ROCKETJETGOROCKETROCKETFIRE!'.
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:29 / 29.04.05
Do I win a prize if I say "Ministry of Space" to that question ?

(Admission: only flipped through it in the shop, didn't buy)
 
 
John Octave
15:29 / 29.04.05
But we're not talking about formally innovative and interesting works of art, we're talking about some pretty trashy comics that cost 2 quid a pop. Forcryeye!

Yeah, that was gonna be my counterargument.

I would think the primary appeal in mainstream, monthly, superhero comic books is plot, since I feel that's what that specific genre and medium does best. I've only read a few arcs of TRANSMET, but the slower pacing didn't bother me as much there because it was a series about ideas, politics, and concepts which needed some room to breathe, not adventure stories about saving the world from an alien menace and looking cool in spandex while doing so.

But Chad's right, inevitably. It all comes down to taste, so if people enjoy their superheroes at a more moderated pace, that is that.
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:39 / 29.04.05
Also, there is the issue of what goes on between the panel. It seems a little insulting that someone thinks that their reader is beyond putting a and b together in their head.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:54 / 29.04.05
3 fucking double page spreads is taking the piss

I tend to agree. If the scripts involved were full of detailed exposition this kind of thing would be just about ok ( and yeah, fair enough, I've never 'actually seen one,' I 'don't really know what I'm talking about' etc - nevertheless I maintain that they aren't, ) but as it is, being paid $450 a page or whatever it is for writing

'Rocket

Goes through hole in time ( it's all blurry and shit )'

or related two or three times in a single issue, then pasting in a thing you read in Scientific American after a couple of lagers the evening before, and then sitting back to collect fan kudos in a medium for which you've publicly and repeatedly expressed your total contempt is... great work if you can get it, definitely, just not so good if you're on the receiving end.
 
 
SiliconDream
17:48 / 29.04.05
I would think the primary appeal in mainstream, monthly, superhero comic books is plot, since I feel that's what that specific genre and medium does best. I've only read a few arcs of TRANSMET, but the slower pacing didn't bother me as much there because it was a series about ideas, politics, and concepts which needed some room to breathe, not adventure stories about saving the world from an alien menace and looking cool in spandex while doing so.

It also had Derec Aucoin's extremely detailed visuals, which contributed so much information in themselves that you didn't really need dialogue or much of a plot to keep you interested. Ditto for Cassaday and early Planetary, I found. There was enough excitement just looking around the worlds the artists had constructed and getting to know the visual looks and moods of the characters. And in both cases Ellis seemed to cooperate with this by throwing a ton of random facts about the worlds at you--not particularly relevant to the overall plot, but helping to build the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, in my case this only carried me partway through Transmet; eventually I just got too familiar with the look of it and needed something to actually happen, while at the same time the writing narrowed in focus from world-description to characterization without actually saying much of anything new about the characters. IMO, anyway. I read to the end, but quit collecting it. With Planetary, I'm still hanging on...but I'll probably give up if it doesn't end around #25 as originally planned.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:19 / 30.04.05
Isn't Ellis' excuse that they use decompresion a lot in manga? In which case, the obvious answer would be for him to write and put out a 400 page manga comic and write American comics where stuff goes on.

That said, I like his use of ideas, I like 'Orbiter' even if it's even parts Quatermass and New Scientist with ungainly info dumps in the middle. I've just bought and read and enjoyed the third Planetary TPB, but if I'd been waiting for months and months and bought an individual issue and it was the Gun Club issue, I'd have been really fecked off.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
10:53 / 30.04.05
I don't mind decompression when it's done for effect, or as part of a larger whole, but for the most part, it's become a way for a lot of writers to get 6 issues of story out of what could have easily been a two part story because you can't put out a trade paperback of two issues.

Ellis's 96 page works are horrible about this, and it reads as if he had a good idea for a one shot comic, but there isn't a viable way to sell a one-shot, or even a series of one-shots any more.

But...Butch Guice is still getting work? Hopefully, he found some new pictures in magazines to trace for his facial shots, because I was sick of the ones he was using about a year into his Superman run.
 
 
matsya
23:10 / 01.05.05
But we're not talking about formally innovative and interesting works of art, we're talking about some pretty trashy comics that cost 2 quid a pop. Forcryeye!

I think Ellis is trying to be formally innovative and interesting within the parameters of the world of trashy comics.

m.
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
02:22 / 02.05.05
Butch Guice is still getting work? Hopefully, he found some new pictures in magazines to trace for his facial shots, because I was sick of the ones he was using about a year into his Superman run.

When did Butch do a stint on Superman? I remember back in the late 80s, when Butch was penciling Flash and doing a might fine job of it. Anyway, Butch is still getting work. Humaniods is releasing Olympus on May 18th; story by Geoff Johns, pencils by Butch. If you want to take a gander at this art, click on: Olympus Preview
 
 
FinderWolf
13:02 / 02.05.05
Guice did ACTION COMICS for about 2 years in the 80s, just before and during the Death Of / Reign of the Superman stories.
 
 
Triplets
19:57 / 04.06.05
Hi guys, I'm starting to get into writing my own comics. Remembering the absolutely piss-ripping this got, I thought it'd be fun to try and compress this as much as possible and dearseholeify Bats at the same time. Comments?

Breaking it down and sticking it back together the biggest observation is that there's almost fuck all content in the first four pages of this issue. The whole thing basically runs like this:

BATMAN
I'm spooky and a bit of a cock (intermitently). What's the plot hook

DISPATCHER
Guy with a hole in his chest.

BATMAN
Alright.


Given another go I reckon I could press it down to one page and not lose any clarity. But another time, praps.





PAGE 1

Panel 1: Should take up the top band of the page. Long-distance panoramic shot of the Manor - Night

CAPTION: STATELY WAYNE MANOR

BRUCE V.O.
Computer, accept the call from Gotham Dispatch. Standard encryption.



Panel 2: This panel should be in the shape of a bat's silouette. We can see Bruce from the front, ascending the spiral stairs to the dark crucible of the Batcave.

CAPTION: 200ft BELOW

BRUCE
Batman speaking. Go ahead.



Panel 3: Half of the bottom of the page. Split with Panel 4. Close up of Bruce by the lockers, transforming. Pulling on bits of his costume. Jumpsuit already on, boots and gloves coming on in stages.


DISPATCHER V.O
Um, hi. Vice President of Spartan Electric, the Defense Industry Contractor? Found D.O.A.

And we've just been locked out of the crime scene.



Panel 4: Split with Panel 3. Close up of "The Belt" being snapped on


BRUCE
By who?


DISPATCHER V.O
Private security staff. "Securing the building" until Federal shows up.







PAGE 2

Panel 1: Head shot, Bruce putting on the cowl, the smouldering fire of his Bat-justice doused in shadow. For now.

BATMAN
Why does this require my... expertise?

DISPATCHER V.O
Because the victim had a hole the size of a small dog burned through his torso.



Panel 2: High-crane shot of the Batcave, behind Bruce - now BATMAN - walking towards the Batmobile which is being moved into position on a rising, rotating platform.

DISPATCHER V.O
And whoever did that is still in Gotham.




Panel 3: Medium shot. The Batmobile in place with an open top, Batman leaping in dramatically. Put in some dramatic steam around the platform that can be whipped around by Bat's cape.



Panel 4: Close up of Batman's eyes.

BATMAN
How many security staff?
 
 
matsya
23:27 / 05.06.05
hey, that's nice work.

m.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:29 / 26.07.05
now we get to see the real thing tomorrow!
 
 
rabideyemovement
20:40 / 27.07.05
This one didn't really read like Ellis to me. It was kind of boring. The banter between Clark and Lois just seemed kind of... off. And did anyone notice he used a cliche phrase twice in the same issue-- "a hole big enough to put your arm through"?
So the timeframe is during Luthor's presidency. It doesn't seem as if it's set in continuity, and if they were gonna...

(SPOILER ALERT)


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blow up Themyscira, you'd think they'd do it in a Wonder Woman book or at least mention it.
 
 
Triplets
15:05 / 28.07.05
Even though it's not set in continuity?
 
 
sleazenation
15:39 / 28.07.05
Y'know, I'm inclined to believe that people who pay cash money for Warren Ellis comics these days get exactly what they deserve...
 
 
matsya
01:39 / 29.07.05
what, a comic that I like to read over and over again?

Sure, he's patchy at times, but I know how to spot that and work around it, but I gotta say he's still head and shoulders above most practising comic writers in the biz these days in terms of creative, interesting and engaging work.

that up there's just my opinion, by the way.

m.
 
 
rabideyemovement
01:51 / 29.07.05
I'll agree with that, but this time was a miss, as are his current marvel projects. But at least he works with great artists these days.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:10 / 29.07.05
I gotta say he's still head and shoulders above most practising comic writers in the biz these days in terms of creative, interesting and engaging work.

True dat. However, most practising comic writers are very, very bad indeed.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:18 / 29.07.05
Read this yesterday; and, I have to say I didn't really notice too much decompression in it, apart from the Batcave bit. Just wondering who they'll put on JLA Classified after Ellis's run...
 
 
DavidXBrunt
09:28 / 29.07.05
I thought it wasn't so much Themiscyra that blew up but one of the sattelite islands that surround it, the smaller chunks of floating rock. Didn't Diana mention transporting the academics to the east island, where the university is. Don't have my issue to hand so can't say for sure.

And for what it's worth, and it's not worth much, I liked it. I think you can get away with decompressed moments when they're balanced out against the chatty stuff with Lois and Clark and act as the opening to a longer story. If it were a single issue story which had that Bat sequence I'd be concernec but in a 6 parter? Scene/Mood piece. But that's just my opinion, reading the thread I can see many have said the opposite already.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
09:45 / 29.07.05
Also, although this might be a hasty justification, Ellis has been describing these issues of Classified as aimed at people who haven't read Justice League before: he sees the transformation sequences as integral to the impact of the characters. Which is a laudable goal (trying to make JLA titles accessible to new readers), if probably not too practical in the pesky real world - how many new comics readers are likely to pick up JLA: Classified anyway?
 
 
This Sunday
18:05 / 29.07.05
I'm picking up Classified, and while not a new comics reader, I haven't touched JLA proper other than for a quick flip in-shop, since mid-Waid or so.
And I like transformation sequences. Of course, I also like the change-clothes montages in movies, so...
 
 
Krug
06:22 / 01.08.05
God what shite.

Perry White talks like Spider and Royce.

Batman here plays his typical tough as turds bad arse don't fuck with me hero (Explain to me how this is worth my time...seems like every comic he writes has to have a character who has to say that exact same line).

He's like the new frank miller, he wrote one good comic/character and decided to rewrite him over and over.

All comics he writes suffer from varying degrees of the same thing. Ellis keeps repeating himself, keeps writing the same characters with different names, same dialogue out of different mouths or writing and ideal version of himself into protagonists. Desolation Jones and Planetary to much lesser degrees but he's churned like twenty shit new minis in the past couple of years.
 
 
The Falcon
11:55 / 01.08.05
Ocean was alright, bit of a duff conclusion. And those Apparat books (well, the ones I read) showed a smidge more range.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:47 / 03.08.05
In other JLA Classified news:

>> From the MillarWorld Garth Ennis interview

http://themagazine.millarworld.tv/index.php/?p=118

"I miss Hitman a lot. Preacher finished when it was supposed to, so there are no regrets with it- but Hitman could have gone on a lot longer. John McCrea and I are actually doing four issues of JLA Classified, featuring what is effectively the “lost” Hitman story, the one that we never had space for in the monthly. Writing Tommy and the boys again was sheer joy."

The return of Hitman! This should be fun... I guess the JLA will be shoehorned in there to make it count for Classified.
 
 
rabideyemovement
17:58 / 03.08.05
Damn! I really like the idea of another monthly Hitman comic. Maybe this could lead into one (fingers crossed).
 
 
This Sunday
16:34 / 05.02.06
Exhumed now that the whole arc is over.
I still like the transformation sequences. The main theme seemed to dovetail nicely with a two-to-three page bit in the recent Zatanna mini, exploring from multiple angles. The 'I will kill you and take your coffee' gag shows up here, as in most Ellis stories, but I don't mind it the way many do; death and drinks are fun on the page. And I quite enjoyed the Lois and Clark snipping and some general recognition that, oh, having Superman lounging around the apartment, one might be inclined to order him into serving coffee in biking shorts at some point. Ellis also does a good Martian Manhunter.
Was there as much a suggestion that the big bad would fail to seduce/corrupt even baseline normal human beings of this age... or am I reading too much into it?
And while I agree it maybe didn't need so many issues, I'm hard-pressed to nail down *things to be cut.*
Anybody else like it better as a whole than single issues? I notice that I could ignore it from issue to issue without trying, but when sitting down with it I didn't really put it down between issues for days at a time or anything. Knowing it was there (and not having got around to reading the last few issues otherwise) I wanted to know what was happening.
Is this shaping up to be the dumping ground of old, unproduced, or otherwise out-of-current-continuity JLA stories? Is the new storyline something specifically for '... Classified' as Morrison's was, or?
 
 
Ben Danes
10:23 / 06.02.06
Is the new storyline something specifically for '... Classified' as Morrison's was, or?

I'm pretty sure it is, Daytripper. Ellis' story was a carryover IIRC, commisioned a fair while ago, as was I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League.

While I am hoping for another Morrison arc for JLA:C (to nicely round out a tpb, along with #1-#3, though you could do a trade just with them and, say, JLA/Wildcats) what I'm really wishing they do is serialise Milligan's Kid Amazo, that was suppossed to come out in hardcover ages ago. Is it too much to ask?

While Simone is a decent enough writer, and if I saw the trade of her arc for cheap I'd likely snap it up,it's not enough to get me that I excited that I must go out and buy it for the six months or so that it will be on the stands. Morrison, Milligan and Ennis/Hitman yes. Simone and Ellis, not much so.
 
  

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