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Ghost Rider

 
  

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Hieronymus
19:24 / 22.04.05


Filming is already well underway and i'm curious what people think this movie might be like. Mark Johnson, who's already soured another comic book figure with the lackluster Daredevil, is directing Nicolas Cage, Wes Bentley, Eva Mendes and Peter Fonda in what's said to be a supernatural Western of sorts. The concept sounds good and fitting to the character. Still...

I've always loved Ghost Rider since the first issue of the last series. I had no idea about the past history. I was just a squeaky teenager who thought that was the coolest look biker character ever made. Been a rabid fan every since.

The fact that Wes Bentley is in it, as Blackheart, and Peter Fonda as Mephisto has me pretty damn interested. It really could be a very cool biker-from-hell movie if pulled off well. And the recently released look of the Hellcycle is pretty friggin awesome.

But I'm skeptical where Johnson and Cage are involved. Daredevil was just flaccid and Cage isn't exactly an actor who can play dark and subdued hero very well (I keep thinking of 8mm and wincing)


And yet Cage as Blaze looks better than I thought he would.

Gah! The conflict! The conflict!
 
 
Brigade du jour
20:30 / 22.04.05
Wow, the wig really does take five years off him.
 
 
Shrug
21:57 / 22.04.05
So is this Dan Kage or Johhny Blaze?
 
 
Hieronymus
22:00 / 22.04.05
Johnny Blaze. No Dan Ketch in this one.
 
 
Shrug
22:51 / 22.04.05
Ah yes Dan Ketch (did you see what I did there?).
A pity just for the fact Johhny Blaze is such a silly name. Johhny Blaze was his predecessor in the comics?
So will there be an external villain or will it all be some morality tale about Zarathos?
Is there much script news?
 
 
Shrug
22:52 / 22.04.05
Okay just read the above Blackheart/ Mephisto. Assumingly they'll have to bring Zarathos into it somehow though.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
23:02 / 22.04.05
See, there's no reason a Ghost Rider movie couldn't work...

If Roger Corman made it in about 1970

As it is I predict suckiness.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
03:41 / 23.04.05
I wonder if they're going to put Mephisto in that silly high collared red costume he always wore in the comics.

...and that wig really DOES knock years off Cage. He looks...well he actually looks kind of tough now.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:05 / 23.04.05
Idly-minded the other day, I cut my hand over a mirror ringed with candles, in a pentagram shape. I ask Satan to protect me from this film, so I never have to see it.

The invocation was ineffectual tho, it appears.

Now, if late at night you see flaming skull on motorbike dispensing justice in unreasonable way, plse remember that once the transformation have taken place, I'm not the affable everyday person that you may or may not be familiar with normally, mortals.

And that delivering pizzas is a hard f*&^ing job.
 
 
Mark Parsons
06:04 / 24.04.05
This could be cheesy-cool, but I have little faith in the director of DAREDEVIL. he does not know how to film action with any visual aplomb at all.
 
 
Mark Parsons
06:05 / 24.04.05
Actually, I read the David Goyer draft years ago and alas, it was rather sucky. (I love his work, too).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:40 / 24.04.05
I still think Michael Jackson would have been perfect. He's got the skull-face, and I'm sure you could get Pepsi to set light to his head again...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
19:05 / 24.04.05
the bike does rock.

all things considered, it looks so far as a good B movie...

except the director is the same as DAREDEVIL'S...
 
 
Hieronymus
20:03 / 24.04.05
Actually, I read the David Goyer draft years ago and alas, it was rather sucky. (I love his work, too).

From what I understand the shooting script is almost entirely done by Mark Steven Johnson, the director. With only little pieces of Goyer's script included.
 
 
grant
19:45 / 25.04.05
Is Cage gonna keep his face hidden, though?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:33 / 29.04.05
Gotta remember that Daredevil was a first time directing job with major interference from the studio (after the success of Spider-Man, Johnson couldn't breathe for studio spooks, who even started insisting on more specials effects shots, requiring extensions to scenes, increased post-production work, more CGI, even a few reshoots). The recent DD director's cut edits lot of the cheesier love scenes etc out, and reinstates more character-based stuff snipped from the original cut, including a subplot based around a murder in Hell's Kitchen which was lost entirely, and a much longer and nastier fight betwixt Kingpin and horn-head at the end.

All of which is to say, the director isn't necessarily he weak link here. Of more concern is that any first time Ghost Rider story has, for practical purposes (if not in terms of copyrighted material) already been filmed as The Wraith and The Crow, amongst many others. I'm not expecting anything particularly exciting, largely because I don't think they'll have the budget to get cool enough effects to make the retread story seem fresh again.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:31 / 29.04.05
I, uh...

I didn't hate DAREDEVIL. There, I've said it.

That being said, though, I think my bodiless namesake hits the nail on the head when he points out that the concept is already overfamiliar, even if this is the character's film debut.

It's a curiously dated concept, too—it's really tied to biker-chic's moment in the 1970s. It was always a cinematic idea, a B-movie mash-up of motorcycle picture and cheapie occult thriller.

And here's the thing: a GHOST RIDER movie, no matter how high the budget, will always be a B-movie. It can never be anything else. A=A, and B=B.

If the filmmakers choose to emphasize the concept's inherent trashiness, and gloss up the grindhouse elements, this could be something exhilarating—the KILL BILL of superhero movies. (Bonus points for visual references to MAD MAX, the original Great Australian Motorcycle Movie.)

where it might fall down is if they make the mistake of thinking it's an A picture, and try to overload it with significance and solemnity. That's a real danger, with Marvel film product. The HULK film especially, but also the SPIDER-MAN and X-MEN franchises—they've been (IMO) oddly joyless affairs. They seem to believe, somewhere in their cinematic hearts, that they are somehow important movies, and somehow above such mundane concerns as Fun. (Fanboy in-jokes are not the same as actual Fun.)

Johnson's still largely an unknown quality, but with DAREDEVIL he seemed to understand that he was making an energetic, unpretentious action movie. He might pull off a great little biker-from-Hell flick. I hope so.
 
 
eddie thirteen
23:46 / 29.04.05
Not much to add here, save that I was the world's biggest Ghost Rider fan when I was in third grade. Nothing but hate for the '90s incarnation, which is why I have to come down on the side of making it a period piece -- which is way, WAY too cool an idea for it to have even been considered, I'm sure.

And not to get too fanboyish, but I'm not too sure a scalp full of Black Number One really says "tough guy." Also, Johnny Blaze is blond...uh, much like Nicolas Cage without a scalp full of Black Number One. So basically, the only physical resemblance Nicolas Cage bears to the character has been removed in favor of making him look like a 45-year-old goth boy. Okay.

Plus, the combination of David Goyer and the guy who directed Daredevil may as well, to me, be a collaboration between Kevin Smith and Joel Schumacher.

I am THERE!
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
16:10 / 01.05.05
Yeah it should be fnatastic.
 
 
Hieronymus
09:00 / 18.07.05


Well there's a new picture, some info and a Comic-Con teaser description at Superhero Hype.

Someone on the messageboards there, who had seen the teaser, said it was looking pretty cheesy. Mind you, they're weeks off the final shoot and there's lots of post-production to finish....

Still, it's not a good sign.
 
 
Hieronymus
08:35 / 29.07.05
The first slapped together teaser is out, probably the one shown at Comic-Con and if so, I can see why the guy on the Superherohype Boards said it looked a bit campy and absurd.

I know it's just the teaser and a better trailer might sell me on it, but Cage just looks like his usual buffoon self as this character. His slouchy goofball mannerisms, especially in that last line.

They should've given the lead role to Wes Bentley.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:36 / 02.08.05
Yeeeeees. Dude, did you read none of my scary namesake's comments above, or did you just not agree with them and decide to ignore them?
 
 
Hieronymus
18:49 / 03.08.05
Read 'em and agreed with 'em. I just kept holding out some kind of hope that Cage and Johnson wouldn't rub this flick to campy splinters.

Oh well.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:22 / 15.12.05
Sony delays GR until 2007.

turkey alert: red.
 
 
Slim
12:43 / 15.12.05
It looks terrible. Utterly terrible.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:47 / 22.12.05
10s Flash 8-based preview at movie's site

screen caps here





at least looks better then the image opening the thread...
 
 
FinderWolf
23:49 / 24.05.06
OK, here's the Trailer.


Sam Elliot's v/o : Best part.

Second best part: Shot of two Ghost Riders, one our boy Johnny Blaze on a motorcycle, the other on horseback in a cowboy hat, an apparent nod to the Marvel Western Ghost Rider by comic book fan director dude.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:57 / 24.05.06
and although I don't expect this to be very good, you can't help but smile that Nic Cage FINALLY realized his dream of being in a comic book movie. Lord knows he went through enough aborted comic book movie projects.
 
 
Hieronymus
00:24 / 25.05.06
Christ. It does look good. The shot of Flamehead riding up the building made me squeal.

 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
03:34 / 25.05.06
Wow. That looks gloriously bad. I think this might be hilarious. Stupid fun, at least.
 
 
matthew.
03:54 / 25.05.06
I hope it's purposefully cheesy as hell... ha ha (?)
 
 
grime
23:45 / 25.05.06
is it somehow impossible to make stylized comic-movies?

if anything was begging to end realism, it was ghost rider.

his head is a skull on fire.
 
 
The Falcon
00:49 / 26.05.06
It sure is.

There's so many, many things could be bad and wrong about this - it could be a spiritual heir to Spawn, it's got a February release date(?!) after continually being knocked back, but.

But. I keep watching the trailer, and every goddam time it makes me do a vey big grin. Especially! when his chain whips round him, and generally all the bits involving the flaming motorbike going up, off, down and over buildings. The breaking the speed barrier bit's great, too. The flaming hoss predecessor = jawesome. ALL the trailer is good, and Findo did right in choosing the scored one rather than the v/o one off the site.

I think in fact that this may be, scientifically, the perfect trailer.
 
 
grant
02:31 / 27.05.06
"This film not yet rated" is nervous-making.

And I really don't think that showdown with 80 bajillion cops portends anything good.
 
 
lekvar
05:19 / 27.05.06
This is looking like the spiritual heir to The Punisher. The one from 1989, with Dolph Lundgren.

The sequence with the Two Riders does look pretty cool. Too bad it'll only be 5 seconds long.
 
  

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