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Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:17 / 25.09.05
I'm fiding that I'm being asked to include items on one or two of my harrows that might be intended to create a sympathetic link between myself and the being honoured there. Example: for months now I've had these 3 crow's feathers on one of my altars, tied up with a strip of black silk, and the other day got a call to add some of my hair to the bundle. Had some misgivings, but went along with it in the end. Anyone else get this--calls for hair or personal items, sympathetic linky stuff?
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
17:36 / 26.09.05
Mordant, it's funny you should say that.

About 6 months ago, I took three crow feathers from a graveyard near where I grew up; I didn't know what to do with them, but I knew I had to do something. I drew a blank symbolicly, except maybe Odin's ravens, which I didn't know much about. So I bound them with thread and wax, and I think I consecrated them, and left them by my bed, rather than put them on my altar.

Haven't been sleeping so well. Might move them to my office space for awakeness. Thoughts? Mordant, you know Norse stuff, right?

My altar is dedicated to Hermes. Do the feathers tie in?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:57 / 26.09.05
Oooh, I'm still in the remedial class with the Norse stuff. I've still got my heathen L-plates on.

But yeah, I connect black feathers with Odin (in fact, it's his harrow that my feather-and-hair bouquet was for). He has two ravens rather than 3 crows, but the number 3 turns up a lot in the lore--3 Nornir; High, Just-as-high and Third in the Beguiling of Gylfi; Odin, Vili and Ve in one version of the creation story. Three feathers could also represent Odin and his two familiars.
 
 
Sekhmet
20:01 / 26.09.05
You two have just given me a fantastic idea.

I do love the Temple.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:24 / 26.09.05
*Is intrigued*

Can you tell us about it?
 
 
Sekhmet
20:43 / 26.09.05
Er. Well, all this talk of bundling feathers may have just solved two of my altar-related problems at once. That would be the point of the thread, no?

I have scads of crow and grackle feathers that I've been collecting, on some inkling that the Old Man might like them for something, but I've been rather clueless about what to do with them all. It occurs to me now that a nice bundle of these might be the solution to the annoying issue of clearing one's altar of all the dust, ashes, wax and wood shavings, hair, ribbon ends, thread snippings, paper bits and other ritual detritus that's invariably scattered about. Probably could also be used after the manner of a besom for sweeping away negative energy, too, if one is feeling fluffy.

So... yeah, okay, my "fantastic idea" is a magic feather duster.

I have housecleaning on the brain. Maybe I've been working with Frigga too much...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:37 / 26.09.05
I think a magic feather duster is a great idea! Now I've got something to do with all those pigeon feathers I keep finding.

Ah, and I've just recalled that there is a connection between Odin and Hermes, via Mercury: I don't have the details to hand but I did read something about a Roman general in Northern Europe petitioning Odin for victory in battle under the name "Mercurius Germanicus." I'll have to have a dig around.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
00:00 / 28.09.05
There is that Odin/Hermes thing... that 's about as far as I got, I think...

The Magical Feather Duster - a banishing ritual in a tool? Dust it around, and - BING! - the ritual space is clear!

The strongest thing, though, was the immediate feeling that I had to do something with these feathers; that I had to tie them up and seal them with was. It's cool that you've had the same experience, Mordant.

All we have to do now is work out what to do with them.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
04:30 / 28.09.05
That would make sense, Mordant. The Romans had a habit of tying their deities in with local ones (as shown, for example, by Suilis Minerva in Bath), connecting local gods with the Roman pantheon.

There are aspects of Mercury/Hermes that I think *could* be associated with Odin. Let me check my sources at the university.

Thinking about it:

Odin as the Gallows-God could be connected to Hermes' role as psychopomp. An Olympian with cthonic aspects, which could connect to Odin's death connection without being the god of death (correct me if I'm wrong...he ISN'T the god of death as well, is he?).

At the same time, though, Odin's role as All Father would connect him symbollically with Zeus/Jupiter. Its interesting that he'd be connected with a younger messanger god than the elder patriarch of the pantheon.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:16 / 28.09.05
They're both gods of language and communication. And of travel, and of magic.

I'd be careful about confounding them too much, though. Similar, they are; the same guy, they aren't.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:28 / 28.09.05
If you pursue that road too far you edge in inane reductivism. They are both Gods associated with the crossroads - therefore they are concerned with similar things. They are perhaps best considered as localised personifications of the same essential mysteries, which makes them more like two different guys who work in the same department, or maybe run equivalent departments to eachotehr in different organisations. For instance, I have much the same role as various other people in my office, am I therefore the same person as them?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:56 / 28.09.05
If you pursue that road too far you edge in inane reductivism.

True. But IMO there's quite a bit to be gained by comparing Gods who deal with similar mysteries in different cultures, noting not just the similarities but the differences between them. What does it tell us about Odin that he was attributed a greater overlap with Mercury than with Jupiter by the Romans? (And what does that tell us about the people who worshipped these two pantheons?)

We're working with Venn diagrams here, small but crucial areas of overlap between broad sets of characteristics. So long as one keeps that in mind it's a useful excercise. Things go wrong when people start trying to cram all Gods and powers into neat little boxes--"God of War" "Goddess of Love" "God of Poetry"--conveniently ignoring any aspects that don't fit.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:22 / 14.10.05
So, uh, guys... Any idea why Odin would want a lantern on his altar if he doesn't actually seem to want it lit?
 
 
Sekhmet
16:17 / 14.10.05
Interesting. Evokes mystery, to me. The darkened lamp, revealing that which a lighted lamp cannot. Or, you know, maybe he just likes to be prepared in case of a power outage.
 
 
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16:32 / 14.10.05
Is there a flame on it when you look at it with non-physical senses?

For awhile, my altar had a candle which was only supposed to burn on a non-physical level. I started mucking about with it, though, and the space above the flame started getting physically hot, and this worried me so I put it out. I'm still not exactly sure what the point was, but there you have it, in case this helps.
 
 
razorsmile
16:13 / 15.10.05
interesting thread and I've been thinking about my altar space a lot recently as I was doing a load of 'intitiation'/transformation/change work over the summer and had a very strong urge at one point to break down the main altar I've had for a good few years and re-organise it a lot. The main altar was a mannequin figure dedicated to Genesis P and used as a sort of scrying mirror tool (the TV reflects back an image of whoever is in front via a small cctv chip that forms the head/eye/face). This was when I was really into using tv's as meditation tools and generally trying to fuck up my brain with mad noise and the like, which i don't do a lot off now (well...).

The problem was, what the hell do I do with Genny if I break it down since I can't (well I could of course...;-) - didn't feel like - just chuck him out. Someone suggested sending him to the witchcraft museum, partly as a joke perhaps, but so far he's resisted being moved. In the end the new entity I have begun working with (Aion) has decided to sit happily on his own altar forming a sort of addition...it's spreading, I just know it...damn things growing.

there's some more pics over at flickr

and if anyone wants to give Genny a new working home...perhaps we should talk...

 
 
electric monk
18:00 / 15.10.05
That is a thing of beauty

and Art.



Thanks for sharing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:04 / 15.10.05
Oh yes. razorsmile, that's just awesome.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
18:47 / 15.10.05
That's...that's beautiful, man. Just...words cannot express it.

Just...damn.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
00:09 / 16.10.05
That is a beautiful altar, Razorsmile, and it brings me to ask the board a question about statues and figurines w/regards to altars. Has anyone got any experience with this? Is it better to try and get something as specific as possible or will anything work so long as you focus the correct identity on it?
 
 
electric monk
17:22 / 16.10.05
I would say that it's better to make it yourself so that you can tailor it to the working, and perhaps let the course of its creation change and inform the working it's meant for. Of the two statues I've used, I feel a much greater connection to the one built out of Sculpey for our hearth altar, as opposed to the pre-fab'd one. It's been the revelation of her personality, and the subtleness of her strength that I feel could only come from my involvement in her creation. Makes identity pretty much unmistakable.

ot - I am so goddamn twisted up about my "its" and "it's", I can't see straight. I apologize to any linguistic wonks reading this
 
 
Katherine
11:59 / 17.10.05
That is a beautiful altar, Razorsmile, and it brings me to ask the board a question about statues and figurines w/regards to altars. Has anyone got any experience with this? Is it better to try and get something as specific as possible or will anything work so long as you focus the correct identity on it

I have examples of both on mine, I have a handmade (by me) statue and a figurine which I thought it's 'kind of' what I need, and one which is shop brought but so perfect it's untrue.

I actually find that either way works, I did try and replace the 'kind of' one with a handmade one but it just never worked for me. I will say at this point both statues are for dieties so they probably had a bit of choice in the matter.

I have ended up with a mix of stuff on my altar, and it never seems to stay the same.
 
 
razorsmile
14:07 / 20.10.05
thanks for comments on the altar peeps. most kind.

regarding making things, statues/figurines in particular, this really is a horses for courses matter but the main thing for me is whether something fits. For instance, Genesis (the main figure with the TV tummy;-) came about beacuse I was doing a lot of work with TOPY/P'Orridge as a focus at a time when me and my partner were doing a number of film screenings and helping out in Occulture performances. It arrived and fitted with the tv, the camera and the working. My partner did a rite whereby she wrote all over him and then he went onto a stage. It sort of expressed a working in public when someone asked us to provide something for their show - and then he came home to stay. I also have a number of small figurines made out of that air dry clay stuff, headless male and female figures and a torso that I carry around in my mojo bag, all made in personal meditation space when we were working with clay to focus our bodies rather than mantras or anything else. Aion, on the other hand, appeared as a ready made in a shop in Brighton. I had been doing a series of workings with the Az'ra Lumial rite and had a pilgrimage to Stonehenge and a bunch of other stuff and had gone to the shop to get a bell for some rites when this red figure just sort of grabbed my attention, sitting hidden behind part of the frame of the cabinet. It wasn't until I was chatting to someone at a camp a bit later that I even realised that Aion was something related to chaos majik via the IOT's fascination with that character. It connected with a whole load of work I have been doing on time majik for a good few years and was just a strange synchronicity which soon generated a number of stories all of its own and has a whole history of involvement with my work in the space of maybe two or three months, very rapid assimiliation in terms of my usual slow progress on anything. So it's a horses for courses thing and sometimes best to see how things fit.

There's a story that Jaq Hawkins tell's on her website of how she decided to go out and get a Ganesha to do some work with him after chatting to some other magicians and deciding it might be appropriate for a project she's working on. So out she goes to get one, finds one she loves and then realises it costs over a £100...but before the price had been there she'd already connected so in a way she felt like she just had to go with it. As it happened she had enough cash that day cos something else had paid up. That sounded to me like a sort of 'fit', even one that's a little trickstery/demanding, which seemed fitting if she was about to work with Ganesha with the view of asking for a boon.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:05 / 24.10.05
An example of some excellent altars at The Fellowship Of Isis:

The Fellowship of Isis (FOI) is an international, multi-faithed organization that is dedicated to honoring the Goddess in Her many forms. It was founded at Clonegal Castle, Ireland at the Vernal Equinox of 1976. The founders are Olivia Robertson and the late Lawrence and Pamela Durdin-Robertson.



 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:55 / 04.11.05
Gadgets on altars: One thing that cropped up among my Hallowe'en to Day Of The Dead general fussmaking was that someone back there would quite like a radio on the harrow. Just a small one. Oh, and if I could dig out that broken mobile phone and pop it up there, that would be good too.

I haven't done this yet because it just seemed so... mental. More mental than having an ancestor harrow in the first place, I mean. It was a fairly clear request as these things go but I find myself second-guessing it; electronic communications devices for the dead sounds like the kind of thing my brain would throw up, rather than something they'd actually want. Hum.
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:14 / 04.11.05
Well with mercury involved you may well get that kind of thing, communication, i was thinking the lantern may well be one single illuminated eye shining in the darkness, reminiscent of the hermit.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:24 / 04.11.05
Mercury is only involved in a second-cousin-once-removed way, tho'. They may share some of the same chores, but when you get right to it Mercury's Mercury and Odin's Odin.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:07 / 17.11.05
I caved in on the matter of the radio today and I am so glad that I did. Having it up there has brought my Dead harrow to life in an amazing way. It's paved the way for a bunch of other requests, though, mostly for random household stuff, like a clock. I'm getting a strong feeling that it needs to be more homey up there, so am also seriously considering adding some dolls-house furniture--maybe even constructing a little spirit-house. Shouldn't be too hard. I'll see how things develop.
 
 
EmberLeo
21:55 / 02.04.07
I have a temple room in my house where I set up altars for whoever. Most of the altars are fairly permanent, but most of them are group altars. The one altar I have for Ostara each year gets put up and taken down. This process also tends to result in my cleaning up the overall temple for the Spring.

I'm always really energized by putting up my Ostara altar, and end up wanting to share my temple with everyone. Are you folks actually interested in my photos of fuzzy bunnies and pastel eggs, or is that way too much fluffy springtide for you?

--Ember--
 
 
Sekhmet
17:37 / 20.02.08
Moving a discussion that started in the Meet The Ancestors thread, regarding the use of reliquaries or boxes for keeping shrine or altar materials.

Haloquin: ... she mentions a friend who has a reliquary box rather than an alter. I like boxes and this resonated. I don't need to put the things in a box (to protect from cats, children or the like) but it seemed right somehow.

The upshot is that now, as part of my daily practice, I open the box and lay everything out. This seems to keep me actively involved, rather than just having it as a passive reminder.

Loki Skywalker: it was a common factor in Egypt and indeed in India most shrines seem to occupy small dwellings (at street level that is).

not here right now: have used shrines in boxes for various People and at various times, and I know a lot of folk who do the same. In some cases this is their main shrine; if you live in shared accomodation and need to protect your various bits from family, ferrets or nosey room-mates, a box which can be shut and maybe even locked is a good solution.

I like what you say about the act of removing and handling the objects making the whole system more powerful. I think it's so important to interact with one's altars. With a box you can also use the act of opening the box at the start of your rite and closing it again afterwards as good beginning and ending markers.

I don't keep any of my main shrines in boxes anymore but I do have two reliquaries, boxes filled with devotional items, on one of my major harrows.



This is an idea that I quite like for several reasons. There are obvious advantages wrt conservation of space and the interest of privacy as well as safekeeping.

Does anyone else practice anything along these lines? It sounds like a good way to make the altar experience more interactive and engaging.
 
 
EmberLeo
20:48 / 25.02.08
I have some experience along similar lines, but not for the same reason.

My altars are set up on shelves, but I have an altar box for when I need to take some or all of the altar stuff somewhere else, which happens regularly.

So while I can't reinforce the info about shrines in boxes directly, I can agree wholeheartedly that the things that I handle, take off the home altar, set up elsewhere, take down, and put back on the altar are more "charged" than the things that rarely come off the altar. Similarly, the act of setting up an altar is, to me, far more significant than the act of keeping an altar.

Actually, this is lovely to read, because one of my background worries is that when I have to leave my current home, I won't have space for all the altars I currently have the luxury of setting up. Boxes would be a great way to handle that. Thanks!

--Ember--
 
 
Sekhmet
18:41 / 27.02.08
Similarly, the act of setting up an altar is, to me, far more significant than the act of keeping an altar.

I feel the same way, which I think is why my altars tend to be works-in-progress; I keep adding stuff to them until they become rather cluttered. Well, some moreso than others; some of the entities I work with aren't very acquisitive and others (*coughFreyacough*) seem to have a magpie-like fascination for shiny objects...

Upon checking with some of the associated entities about the possibility of using boxes to house their gear, I was struck (relatively gently) with a clue-by-four. My main altar space is a reclaimed writing-desk that has drawers. It would be the simplest thing in the world to tidily stash paraphernalia within the confines of the altar space itself and bring out items for observances and workings as appropriate.

That this was a revelation perhaps illustrates why TOEB always seems to have the Teaching Stick near to hand when dealing with me.
 
 
Haloquin
19:19 / 27.02.08
Oddly, your drawer point reminded me of Ikea! Wandering round Ikea I find quite fun, and I really like looking at the set-ups they have of the kitchen-in-a-cupboard and study-in-a-cupboard. I was then reminded of the magic cupboard that the Mayor has in Buffy, full of interesting magical goods. But that gets off topic!

Basically, you open the cupboard and pull out a chair from under the built in desk, with a pull-out surface for the keyboard etc.

So I was thinking about alters. Already laid out within an interesting box-system, but safe and compact until you open the boxes and pull out the drawers. Opening it activates it, closing it signals the end of the ritual. Every interaction involves actual interaction and energising, rather than just looking at it.

Being at uni, every summer I've had to pack up all my stuff, move to summer accomodation, and then pack up again 3 months later and come back. I think devising a system of box-alters and supply-boxes within one bigger box for transport may be a good idea until I settle down (and even then as I'm planning on having cats!). This may involve intricate planning...
 
  

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