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charrellz
14:11 / 22.04.05
I didn't find anything like this, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm in the midst of designing a new altar, and thought I'd start a sort of altar clearinghouse, something a little more in-depth than a question in the 'stupid magick questions' thread. I think this could turn into a thread for quick altar related questions, suggestions/advice learned the hardway about construction, perhaps a general discussion of the usefulness of altars. Anything from your favorite altar related story to which store to buy nails at. This may seem a little broad, but I'm willing to bet the thread will find it's own direction pretty quick.

I'll kick things off with a fairly open ended question. If you make offerings to a statue etc. at your altar, how long do you leave them there, and what do you do with them afterwards? Quick story to give an example of the sort of thing I'm talking about: I was picking up a friend from a nearby nail salon that was owned and operated by an asian-american family, when I noticed the little buddha near the door. This is pretty standard in nearly every nail salon in the area, but I got to thinking about it, especially about the donations at its feet. There was a wide range of things from candy to small change to part of a cinnamon roll, pretty much the same sort of things I've seen at all of the buddhas around here. So, how long would these things be left there? Are the candies just thrown away? Do you toss the money too? Pocket the money? Take it to the nearest temple? Melt it down to form a bigger buddha? Just looking for suggestions so I can find something that would fit the altar I'm making, as I really like the idea of leaving offerings at it.

And again, make free use of this thread for anything altar relaed. Enjoy.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:22 / 22.04.05
Overnight, one, three, seven or nine days on the altar - but you probably don't want blood offerings on there for nine days in hot weather...

All taken out to the crossroads afterwards, or if there is a specific location associated with the Power the offerings were for - take them there. Like the river, the sea, the woods, etc... Alternatively, ask the God or Goddess what they would like you to do with the offerings afterwards.

Don't use any of the offered items for... secular.... purposes after the fact. They've been sacrificed, made sacred, and should be considered as such.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:55 / 26.08.05
Permanent altars: Does anyone else find that an altar/shrine/harrow/whatever seems to pack more wallop somehow the more you add to it? Like, every time you expand the area it covers or place more items there, your connection to the being/s it honours gets stronger?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:10 / 26.08.05
Yes, I think that's how they work. To my mind, an altar to a deity or equivalent should be in a continual state of flux, constantly growing, developing, and changing as your relationship with that deity grows, develops and changes. A static altar is indicative of a stagnant relationship with deity and even a stagnant approach to practice. I'm always adding stuff to my various altars and constantly refining them, in the same way that I'm always adding stuff to and constantly refining my understanding of the Mysteries that I work with.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:00 / 26.08.05
Altars and mirrors, reflecting the self into the area of the sacred space, ive just been given a mirror and placed it upon my altar space, aside from being vain i am contemplating why it belongs there cause it most definately belongs there.

Also i place links to my family on my altar, along with divine powers, so my family become part of the sacred space, living family not ancestors, so in a sense its reverence for my family as well.

The mirror was made and painted by my sister, since i do chi gung in front of the altar its going to make that a more self aware process as well i think, well i guess ill have to wait and see.

is there any general meaning of mirrors? it ties into the associations with water i have been building as with the glass fish dish that swam into my possession. skrying perhaps? i know it belongs on the altar but am not sure why.

my sister has painted brother, sister, honesty, love, forever in arabic onto it, she gave me a piece of hemp string at the same time which ive made into a bracelet.

all in good time i suppose.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:23 / 26.08.05
Is it important that you've built the altar structure yourself? If you get someone else to make it, would the deity(ies) take it as an insult? What if you're no good at joinery and it looks shoddy?
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
20:28 / 26.08.05
To add to what GL said, I think there's also something in the expansion of an altar that expands on your relationship with the deity, and your resonance with them. The more you add that's signifigant to them, or to you in relation to them, the more you're bringing it in synch with them. Or so I'd figure.

My portable "altar" is just a pair of japanese tea cups, a ceramic sake bottle, an antler and horn boot knife, my steel boot/focus knife, some coins and some incense. Fits into one of those metal cylinders that good scotches come in. No specific deity, though...that may change pretty soon. But I should take the above advice from posters to heart on that. Increase it. Change it up.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:23 / 26.08.05
Legba Rex: I bloody well hope not. My harrows are laid out on appropriately coloured cloth or paper on top of some Ikea self-assembly bookcases, this being pretty much the only clear surface in my flat. If that's a Bad Thing then I'm fucked.
 
 
Chiropteran
23:34 / 26.08.05
Don't worry, Mordant: a lot of Vodouisants (for example) make their altars on boards laid across cinder blocks, or right on the ground. The dedication is more important than the construction, AFAICT.
 
 
Unconditional Love
10:26 / 27.08.05
Yeah as lep said its where the reverence is not where the altar is, i think its an idea weve inherited from western culture that sacredness takes place in a specially constructed space, for example ive heard of shrines on top of fridges, window sills(3 of mine are), bookcases, on the floor, even in toilets.

In a sense all space is sacred as are all actions within it, but if that remains an intellectual view point rather than an experience the connection isnt made, and some days it seems nothing is sacred.

i try to make the space appropriate to the function, so hearth dietys go in the living room or kitchen etc, gods of expulsion and detoxification on the toilet, deitys of beauty and cleanliness, bathroom cabinet or around the bath. associations and connotations and all that.
 
 
electric monk
14:43 / 27.08.05
How are y'all approaching the choice and placement of objects onto the altar?

For me, it tends toward the...OCD?...approach. Finding myself drawn to little bits of things on sidewalks and such and then placing them into configuration. The gift of a small coin with 'An Irish Blessing' on one side and an elaborate cross on the other that, over time, becomes the Pentacle. I sometimes find that the working I was half-considering is already half-prepared before I realize it, throught gradual build-up and tear-down of the altar.

We've had a lot of family visiting recently and so had to take the altar down and hide away our occult paraphenalia. For three weeks, my things sat dormant in the dark of our Pier One bedside table altar. When it came time to set up once again, there was a great rush of something wanting to be done, and I found myself swept into a working, quite spontaneously and beautifully formed.

So, in a sense, these are batteries we build for ourselves. We can charge and recharge them, and alter(!) their configurations to harness and direct the energies we use (or which use us).
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:56 / 27.08.05
Yeah, I can relate to the OCD approach. I also find that certain things just get claimed--I'll be looking at an item, and there'll be the metaphorical tap on my shoulder: "I'll have that, if you don't mind!" Some items are more important than others: I can take the smashy hammer off Thor's harrow to use in ritual, but woe betide me if I move Freyja's necklace.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:22 / 27.08.05
I've also found that some beings don't want you to just put up a shrine to them. They sort of look askance, like you're being presumptuous and over-familiar. You have to earn their approval before the shrine can go up... anyone else get this?
 
 
electric monk
19:20 / 27.08.05
I also find that certain things just get claimed...

Definitely. I get kind of a 'eureka' moment where I think, "That's what that's for." I also get a "You'll need that soon" feeling sometimes when out shopping.

Anyone willing to post photos of their altars? I may just share mine later on, thus revealing my particular form of madness to the world.
 
 
electric monk
22:48 / 27.08.05
FWIW:

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Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
02:40 / 28.08.05
I'm just that way with pennies, really. I have like this...compulsion. You wouldn't believe the penny collections I've gathered in the past. Got me $10 for one jar once.

...and yeah, there are pennies around my portable altar.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:12 / 30.08.05
Does anyone know a really good way to get candle wax out of cloth? I know this is a common altar problem.

Better yet, how do you get candle wax out of fur?
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:18 / 30.08.05
ironing the cloth or fur, but dont do it yet because it needs further research, onto brown paper so the wax in theory would be absorbed into the paper via the heat, but dont do it yet, as ive not tried it, ill come back to it later.

(it may just spread the wax more)
 
 
gravitybitch
14:38 / 30.08.05
Better yet, how do you get candle wax out of fur?

Depends on whether the fur will grow back....

Seriously? There's no good way. Wax is tough to get rid of. If you can bend/break the wax up a bit, do that first - get rid of as much of it as you can by chipping it away or making it flake off. Ice will help make it brittle...

After that, gentle heat with lots of absorbant material to soak the wax up as it melts off. There are solvents that will dissolve wax, and the citrus-based ones aren't too toxic, but I don't know what they'd do to fur or the fabric in question.
 
 
Sekhmet
16:26 / 30.08.05
I'd heard the ironing one before - main issue being that I no longer own an iron. Maybe the bottom of a heated pot or something would work?

The fur issue is an old one, and I've gotten the vast majority of it out via the ice method, careful work with fingernails, and combing, but those spots on the pelt still look sort of like they're covered with hair gel...
 
 
Unconditional Love
19:32 / 30.08.05
seal the waxed area in a paper towel and use a hair dryer on full heat, it may work. as i get older i am slowly but surely turning into my mum.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:07 / 30.08.05
If you were to be engaged for a length of time at the altar, how important is your own comfort? If you have a nice soft chair, for example, to sit in, will that make what you do less worthy?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:19 / 30.08.05
I don't think so. I don't hold with all this mortification-of-the-flesh nonsense, the whole "If you're not fucking yourself up physically, you're not really spiritual" thing.

Sure, holding weird postures for a length of time to obtain exstatic states or crises is a valid magical technique, but it's a means to an end.

If I'm going to be spending time at an altar in communion with whatever Being I'm talking to today, I want that being to have my full attention. I don't want to be distracted by cramps or pins-and-needles.
 
 
Katherine
05:17 / 31.08.05
I've also found that some beings don't want you to just put up a shrine to them.
I have found one candle in a space works well in that occassion although I will admit I have only done that once, all others approached me first and were very happy to have gifts and things devoted to them.
Once the candle is up I have a focus for beginning, then it's down to a lot of work. Hopefully then things start being claimed for a shrine/altar for them.

Has anyone else had problems with various deities on the same altar?
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
05:53 / 31.08.05
True, Mordant, but you don't want to get TOO comfortable, as that can lead to falling asleep. And I'm pretty sure that most deities and cosmic beings take the same dim attitude towards people sleeping through conversations with them as profs do. Then again, if you're trying to communion with some oneirocosmic deity, they might take it as a compliment.

"How do you know that you're in good with Morpheus?"
"I always get 8 solid hours of sleep while I'm praying to him."

...but seriously. I've found that a decent straight backed chair seems to work decently well. With a bit of padding its sittable, but not comfortable enough to put you to sleep.

Then again, I suppose it depends on the person. I'm someone who will fall asleep on comfy objects with very little provocation, but I know people who can't fall asleep unless they're lying down on a bed.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:12 / 31.08.05
Hmm. I'm one of those people, I guess. I usually either sit cross-legged on the floor, in an ordinary kitchen chair, or stand in a relaxed posture depending on how long I'm going to be there and where the altar is.
 
 
Unconditional Love
10:49 / 31.08.05
i do chi gung in front of mine, i think of it as gentle dancing for them. i think they want to see you happy and joyous and not uncomfortable,ecstatic and orgasmic if possible, thou i suppose it depends on the spirits.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
06:19 / 15.09.05
Well, I've got the further rudiments in the works.

I've recently begun looking at a framed display of clay pipeheads that I have up on my wall as a sort of altar. There are twelve heads, all human, 8 male and 4 female, all made out of the same white clay. They're arranged in a grid pattern, three rows of four, in a square, with each head having its own little box by itself (with its own miniature frame seperating it from the other heads).

I've also topped the frame (which is quite deep) with a pair of brass swans. My family's coat of arms displays five silver swans, so I'd have liked five little silver ones, but the brass ones have a certain elegance to them.

It doesn't look like much, but the heads are what interest me, becuase I've started associating certain ones with gods. Not all of the same pantheon, and sometimes just archetypal. The seventh head I associate with Loki (see my post to the Asatru & Heathen Myth Surgery thread for that explanation), but there's also a head that I associated with sage wisdom and scholarly stuff (a man with a big beard, intense eyes, and one of those flat wide brimmed Nostradomus-type hats). There's a man who I associated with military, military Engineers specifically. he's an old man with a full beard and mustache, cut short, with a sort of helmet-type hat low on his head. There's an androgynous boy/girl with a winged headpiece and curly hair who I associate with Mercury, and a good looking woman with a thin face and her hair done up ornately who I associate with Venus/Aphrodite.

I dunno. There IS a lot of Greek and Roman imagery there, but there's some that kind of goes beyond that. The old sage/scholar kind of reminds me of both Nostradamus and Copernicus, for some reason, and then there's the old military man who I seem to figure as a Royal Engineer.

Is this sounding really odd? Is it even an altar at all?
 
 
Sekhmet
13:05 / 15.09.05
Do you use it as an altar? Do you think of it as one?

If so, then sure, it's an altar.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:54 / 15.09.05
What ze said.

If you feel the need to formalise matters, you could think about ritually dedicating each pipe to the powers you feel they represent. Might make this an interesting project. That there are twelve of them is handy: maybe you could spend a month on each pipe and each being over the course of a year, studying the lore surrounding him or her, thinking about how that being relates to you, opening up a channel of communication.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:08 / 15.09.05
Candles: I'm finding that the candles I set out for each of my several gods seem to behave differently. Anyone else get this? It's not just the type of candle, either--I see similar behavior from different kinds of candle placed on the same harrow. My ancestor's lights burn fitfully at first, often needing to be re-lit, then burn low and steady when I've tended to them for a while. The lights I set on Freyja's shrine always seem to flare up like nobody's business, burning very swift and hot and consuming every bit of wax, while an exactly similar candle (out of the same packet) placed on Frey's harrow a few inches away will burn much more slowly and will tend to dwindle and go out after a couple of hours.

I'm trying not to read too much into all this, but it is odd...
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
00:46 / 16.09.05
Hmm. That's a good idea, Mordant. I think I'll start putting together some prepatory ritual stuff in readiness for starting dedicated the pipe heads in January of 2006.

Isn't the classical Olympian pantheon also centralized around 12 gods?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:23 / 16.09.05
Watching the behaviour of candles as they burn is a pretty standard hoodoo practice. You can find various codified rules for it that people have come up with, but I wouldnt put too much store by them. The best guide is your own observation of the phenomena over time and your intuition about it. Different Spirits will tend to cause candles to behave differently, depending on their mood and nature. You can also guage the relative success of hoodoo sorcery by observing how the candles burns through the ritual.

Altars: Yes. If you have to ask someone else whether or not it's an altar, then it's probably not an altar. At the moment it sounds like something you look at and think: "Hmm. That reminds me of a bunch of Gods". And that's pretty much all it is right now. If each of those pipeheads were dedicated to the Gods they remind you of, and you cultivated active relationships with them all and made them a part of your life - then it would become an altar. It's a bit like looking at a branch of wood and wondering if it's a walking stick. It could be if you started to use it as such.
 
 
Katherine
08:25 / 16.09.05
Candles
I tend to find that on my altar they burn low until offerings are given or I start talking to my deities where upon they will burn with a high flame. If I leave the candles lit they will just burn at a low level until I put them out.

I have to say my deities don't have their own candles due to lack of space, so when I move and they and I get a bigger altar it will be interesting to see if there's a marked difference between them all.
 
 
daynah
15:15 / 16.09.05
Some tips for buddhist altars...

Buddhists (cept for zen and I think perhaps all of japanese buddhism) do water offerings. It's very meditative and really makes you focus in the morning and helps you throughout the day. Seven bowls are in a stack. You place them in a line in front of the symbol of worship, where the bowls are upside down. If you place the bowls right side up, it symbolizes offering up nothing, and that's rude. You put the bowls from the left to the right, so that the middle bowl is aligned perfectly with the symbol of worship.

No, don't put the middle bowl down first. Left to right, so that the middle lines up perfect. Concentrate. Think. Each bowl also needs to be a rice grain's width apart.

Now, from left to right, pick up the bowl, holding it, pour scented water into it and set it down. The water needs to be a rice grain's width from the top of the bowl. Don't set the bowl down empty on the altar, or it's offering up nothing, which is rude. But you can, when you're starting out, or ill or something, set the bowl down half full and fill it up the rest of the way, but try to improve. Remember, it's got to still be a rice grain's width from the next bowl over (it's harder than it seems when typed, because the next bowl is upside down still, remember? And bowls are funny shaped so you gotta concentrate).

Keep going. You can either fill them all up with scented water, or you can go all out with the some are scented, some are clean, some are with rice and incense and food and flowers and other such things. I was just describing the water.

It's one of those exercises that constantly gets harder as your concentration gets better, but it always stays right at your pace. You will never be able to do it perfect, but it will never be so difficult for you that you just give up. Because, at the end, you're just pouring water into cups of water.

Practical tips: cover your altar with plastic and then cover it with cloth and then be sure to have some sort over special thing to put your candles on for candle safety. That way when the water spills (oh and it will) you wont ruin your furnature, and it will still look pretty, and you wont burn down the house.

If you get matching cups of the same size and shape it's easier, buuuut getting mismatching cups is more humbling. I used mismatching cups, and even uneven cups, for a while, and it kept me thinking a lot about how even when I can't afford a thing, I should still be offering up stuff to -insert someone here-.
 
  

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