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New Pope and St. Malachy

 
  

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Tamayyurt
15:21 / 19.04.05
With the new pope about to be announced I got to thinking about St. Malachy’s prophetic pope list. So far he hasn’t been wrong yet and the next (second to last pope) is called Gloria olivæ (Glory of the Olive). So who’d like to try and figure out what this means and how it pertains to the new pope?
 
 
Sekhmet
15:29 / 19.04.05
It may be hard to figure that out until we know who the new pope is.

Wasn't John Paul II "Labor of the Sun" or something?
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:47 / 19.04.05
The signal just went up. So it's only a short matter of time before we know who they picked.
 
 
Sekhmet
15:51 / 19.04.05
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, now Pope Benedict XVI.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:24 / 19.04.05
I understand he was a "hitler youth" before he found God. He doesn't look friendly to me
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:45 / 19.04.05
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope [Gloria olivæ] would come from their order and the fact that he's now called Benedict XVI is kinda cool. All that "Hitler Youth" stuff worries me though.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
17:57 / 19.04.05
Well, there are my hopes for a vaugley progressive papacy gone out the window.

A former member of the Hitler Youth. Yes, this is a very promising time for the Church, especially against the "dictatorship of relativism".
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
20:09 / 19.04.05
Yahoo! News provides a bit more of an indepth look at the new pontifex maximus ("chief bridge builder", according to my Roman Culture prof).
 
 
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20:18 / 19.04.05
A former member of the Hitler Youth.

I'm really gonna stop worrying that any of my past actions could get in the way of me being able to properly work with the spirits someday. Especially if a former member of something called Hitler Youth can end up being the Pope.

Here I come Gods and Goddesses, put yer weapons away please.
 
 
Unicornius
20:21 / 19.04.05
In Ratzinger's defence he was forced to be on the Hitler youths. Just my 2 cents
 
 
FinderWolf
20:27 / 19.04.05
What's "St. Malachy’s prophetic pope list"? I'll have to check this out -- you mean someone ages ago predicted who all the popes will be? And there's a LAST POPE on their list? What do they say will happen to the church after the last pope? 2012? End of the world? End of the Catholic church as it now exists (we can only hope...)?
 
 
agvvv
20:53 / 19.04.05
list
 
 
agvvv
20:56 / 19.04.05
This is what it says about the last pope:

"In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End."

doesnt sound good..
 
 
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21:37 / 19.04.05
In Ratzinger's defence he was forced to be on the Hitler youths. Just my 2 cents

Thanks, I didn't know that. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does.

Heh.
 
 
Tamayyurt
21:41 / 19.04.05
I have a feeling this pope isn’t going to last very long. I mean he’s already 78! So this Peter of Rome could very well turn up in time for the big 2012 party. I’m still interested to see why Malachy called him Glory of the Olive, it has to be something more than just the name Benedict… maybe something to do with peace (olive)?

And yeah, I'm sure he was forced to join Nazi School, but something like that has got the influence you. While the last guy seemed like everybody's favorite grandfather... there's something creepy about this guy. I can't place it but those pics unnerve me.
 
 
Malle Babbe
23:10 / 19.04.05
I was hoping he wouldn't be elected, but figured he would be anyway... On the "bright" side, it might bring Mel Gibson back to the Mother Church!

Anyway, I figured something was up when Cardinal Law was allowed to say Mass during the mourning period. If that wasn't a finger in the eye to progressive and liberal Catholics everywhere (or at least in Europe and N. America) I don't know what is. Given that idiot's hands didn't catch fire when he held up the consecrated host, I figure that there's no God, or He doesn't give two shits about kids getting molested.

Yankee Catholic posting here, yeah, I'm bitter...
 
 
Wanderer
01:02 / 20.04.05
as to the "glory of the olive angle", the motto this pope has chosen for his reign is pax (peace).
 
 
FinderWolf
15:34 / 20.04.05
>> Given that idiot's hands didn't catch fire when he held up the consecrated host,

LOL.

I think God exists but he watches us make our own mistakes, esp. when we're all bloated, self-righteous, self-destructing and lost in the Dark Ages like the Catholic Church.

Anyone else think the new pope looks like Rutger Hauer as Cardinal Roark in the movie of SIN CITY?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:37 / 20.04.05
also worth noting from the link so graciously provided above:

>> The prevailing view today is that they are elaborate forgeries, probably perpretrated by a school of Jesuits in the 1600s. This is based on the clear relation of the mottos to the various popes until that period, and the need to find oblique references (such as the motto of the Pope's home diocese) to make the particular motto fit the particular pope. The inclusion of anti-popes would also appear to militate against the authenticity of the prophecies.

>> Nevertheless, as each new conclave comes and goes, people start to become a bit jittery about them (since the list runs out soon!).

>> Apparently, in 1958, before the Conclave that would elect Pope John XXIII, Cardinal Spellman of New York hired a boat, filled it with sheep and sailed up and down the Tiber River, to show that he was "pastor et nautor", the motto attibuted to the next Pope in the prophecies!

>> I think they are a bit of fun, and the semantic exercise of trying to fit the motto to the Pope that goes on in letters to the editor around the world is great reading!

Maybe the whole "The End" thing after the final pope means not Armageddon, but the dissolution of the Church as we know it for a more enlightened brand of religion. We could call them New Catholics/Christians.
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:21 / 20.04.05
Anyone else think the new pope looks like Rutger Hauer as Cardinal Roark in the movie of SIN CITY?

I was thinking some one else...

 
 
agvvv
17:26 / 20.04.05
I knew I had him from somewhere.. thats scary
 
 
Liger Null
21:10 / 20.04.05
This bit from the site has me a little nervous, it about John Paul III

De labore Solis
(of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
Hist.: Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain (the East, where the Sun rises). He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary). His Funeral occurred on 8 April, 2005 when there was a solar eclipse visible in the Americas.
 
 
Papess
21:38 / 20.04.05
Being born, and even dying on an eclipse is very auspicious in Buddhism. I think Gautama Buddha also was born and died on eclipses.
 
 
Gus
06:12 / 21.04.05
"And as my first act with this new authority, I will create a grand army of the Vatican to counter the increasing threats of the heretics."

Heh.

As I said in the Pope thread in the conversation, the "Peter the Roman" bit was not part of the original Malachy prophecy. It was added by someone else in the 19th century. As far as Malachy's text goes, this one is the last Pope. It doesn't state this as such though. No apocalyptic warnings. It just ends there. Why someone in the Church felt a need to add a finale with Revelations imagery in line with this timeframe is unknown.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:14 / 21.04.05
>> I think Gautama Buddha also was born and died on eclipses.

But I bet that guy didn't call condoms or the idea of homosexuality a "culture of death" and promote the guy who quietly swept pedophiles under the rug to Vatican City.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:07 / 21.04.05
saw this on a message board and loved it:

>> I love the idea of voting for someone, who, if they win, is considered infallible. Fucking awesome. However: Isn't one candidate just the same as the all the other nominees? Because I figure that when you're voting for someone to be infallible, they've all pretty much got to be the same dude.
 
 
Papess
16:24 / 21.04.05
But I bet that guy didn't call condoms or the idea of homosexuality a "culture of death" and promote the guy who quietly swept pedophiles under the rug to Vatican City.

No, the Buddha didn't promote or condone by silence, any of that. I wasn't even suggesting that JP2 was in the same league as the Buddha. It was merely an observation.
 
 
invisible_al
16:27 / 21.04.05
Here's a link that should lay to rest the the Hitler Youth thing, http://www.cruxnews.com/articles/ratzinger-18april05.html.

There's much better things to criticise him about, check out his wiki entry for the literature he's written.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:44 / 21.04.05
oh, I know, Strix, I was just talking trash about the papacy - I knew you weren't comparing the two.

But the eclipse thing is cool and very intruiging, regardless.

And yes, he was forced to join Hilter youth, he hated it, he got out, fled to another country eventually. As you said, there are many far more valid things to criticize the guy about.
 
 
Papess
16:54 / 21.04.05
Thanks Finderwolf. I guess I am still a little touchy on this subject. It is not like I am actually a fan of Catholicism...What's my problem?

Actually, it was JP2 that died and was born on eclipses. Did you get that? Or am I so not fully awake and functional that I am misreading your posts?
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:36 / 21.04.05
I know what you mean, I'm not even a Catholic but I felt compelled to start this thread. I just find all of this really interesting.

So, according to Malachy, the Ratking is the last pope. He didn’t end his list with any pronunciation of doom, he just stopped… but why did he stop, was the psychic connection cut? Did he run out of paper? I think even though there no Doomsday message in the original list it’s important that it has an ending.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:20 / 21.04.05
I got that, Strix.

So the new pope just said he expects a "short reign" (his words)...and then we'll have the supposed 'last pope' if the prophecies are correct.
 
 
Papess
18:32 / 21.04.05
See, I always thought it was Peter the Greek.

Maybe I am just craving some taramosalata.
 
 
Tamayyurt
19:04 / 21.04.05
Finderwolf- The original prophecy lists this new guy as the last pope. Many years later, the Catholic church added the Peter of Rome as the last pope… But if we’re talking Malachy then Joseph Ratzinger is the last pope.
 
 
LVX23
22:14 / 21.04.05
There are far better reasons to criticize Der Panzerkardinal.

He helped Bush get elected and will continue to drag us back into the Dark Ages.

He was head of the new Inquisition. We talk a lot about cultural appropriation around these parts. Well, the Vatican has been doing it's best to destroy those cultures completely for some time now.

The best pope is no pope, IMHO.

And here's some info on St. Malachy. At least we know the reign of evil popes will end soon.
 
  

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