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coweatman
19:39 / 24.03.05
the first episode is airing tonight. i saw a version of it that got leaked to the internet about a month ago, and it's pretty much a line for line cover of the first episode of the uk version, with a few lines and names changed, and the david brent character isn't nearly as good.

any thoughts?
 
 
CameronStewart
20:41 / 24.03.05
I saw the pilot a few months ago and wasn't too impressed. Being so familiar with and fond of the original version, it's weird seeing an almost-verbatim script performed on an identical set by American actors.

The biggest problem comes from the performances - there's a real lack of subtlety to them that makes the whole thing more theatrical and less effective. And much as I like Steve Carrell in Anchorman and The Daily Show, I think he's miscast here.

Apparently the pilot is the only episode that is a direct remake of the BBC version, the rest are original scripts. I'll give it a few weeks but I highly doubt it'll ever shed the "it's not as good as the original, is it" feeling.
 
 
grant
20:48 / 24.03.05
Doomed. I don't think American TV execs can bake a schadenfreude without over-egging it with snide superiority.
 
 
CameronStewart
06:29 / 25.03.05
Well, despite better judgement I sat through the Office again tonight, to give it a second shot. It's actually been altered a bit from the first version of the (US) pilot I saw a few months back, some new material added, some other small stuff changed.

Things start off badly with the new title sequence - rather than the wonderful opening of the BBC version with the camera panning across dreary Slough to "Handbags and Gladrags," we get a few brief shots of similarly dreary Scranton, Ohio, a similar plinky piano tune...which then immediately gives way to a fast-edit montage of all the cast, set to an up-tempo pop-punk guitar RAWK track just to underscore how awesome and American and totally antiestablishment it's all gonna be, yo. Christ.

Steve Carrell's Brent-a-like Michael Scott has nowhere near the depth and nuance that Gervaise gave Brent. Brent was a sad, lonely failure of a man, desperately trying to compensate for his insignificance by being "popular" and "funny." It was obvious that the documentary was the greatest thing to ever happen to him, and he was terrified of having the one shot at recognition and approval pass him by. Gervaise played him brilliantly, and one of his most consistently funny and revealing behavioural tics were his shifty glances to the camera, assuring himself that he was still the centre of attention, or frantically seeking assistance after some spectacular faux pas. He was ignorant, and obnoxious, but you still couldn't help but feel sorry for him.

Michael Scott, on the other hand, is just a jerk, and there's not much more to him than that. Carrell's performance is so broad and showy and overtly theatrical, and entirely unsympathetic.

The lack of subtlety extends right across the board - the unspoken attraction between Jim and Pam (the Tim and Dawn clones) is underlined in big red marker for those too slow to pick up on it - right off the bat, in Jim's first talking-head segment, he mentions how he knows that Pam's favourite flavour of yogurt is mixed berry, which is immediately followed by Pam's giggly, smiley schoolgirl reaction. Then after the introduction of Pam's fiancee we see Jim being asked if he thinks he'll be invited to the wedding, to which he answers by just glumly staring off into space.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I wept openly at the finale of the original series, because the writing, character development, and performances were all so engaging and true that they effortlessly managed the shift from comedy to drama. There's nothing in this dim remake to draw in the viewer to the same degree. It's like seeing a terrible performance of a good play - you're familiar with the script but you know you've seen it done much better elsewhere.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
07:28 / 25.03.05
I'm not ashamed to admit that I wept closedly at The Office finale. I locked my face up tight, pulled down the shutters and promised myself that no one would ever see my pain. Then I licked the TV screen when no one else was looking.

Yum. TV pain tastes like peaches.
 
 
CameronStewart
07:33 / 25.03.05
I really hope you're not mocking me...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
10:20 / 25.03.05
Anyone who didn't have a tuber for a heart cried at the final episode of The Office.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
11:01 / 25.03.05
Final episode meaning the last episode of the 2nd season, or the Christmas special?
 
 
ibis the being
11:57 / 25.03.05
I agree that the US pilot was weird in trying to recreate the original. But I'm going to give the series more time. No one can be David Brent, and I don't want or need Michael Scott to be the "US version" of that character. The show will probably not be great, but it could be good - and with the level of comedy on American TV being so low (Arrested Development is the only other comedy I watch), if it's even 'just' good, I'll enjoy it.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:03 / 25.03.05
>>Final episode meaning the last episode of the 2nd season, or the Christmas special? <<<

The end of series 2 was heartbreaking, but it was the joy of the X-mas special that made me cry.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:06 / 25.03.05
I thought- from the five minutes I've seen- that they managed to put an American corporate tint on to something that, let's face it, was based in Slough and seemed just that little bit too British to represent a working US company. So I think this should be given a chance and hopefully it'll work as effectively but with a bit of cultural difference!
 
 
PatrickMM
18:45 / 26.03.05
I'd just throw in another voice about how phenomenal the end of Special 2 was. When Dawn opens the paints, and then when her and Tim finally kiss, so cathartic.

As for the US one, if you've seen the UK version, I think it's destined to fail. The thing about the UK version is it felt so real, like an actual documentary, there was no sense of people acting, it just was. Here, maybe it's just because I've heard all the lines before, so it was like Jim was playing Tim instead of being himself, but it felt much more artificial. And with the Brent, you didn't get the sense that he was performing for the people in the office, or the camera, it was more like he was just doing bits for no apparent reason. You didn't get the sense of tragedy from the "Brent." Admittedly it's only one episode, but compare the endings. The first UK one ends with Dawn sobbing, and there's no sense of relief or a closing laugh, the US one gives you the return of the Jello gag, and a more upbeat ending, which just didn't ring true. To me, it felt like a community theater troupe doing a production of something you've just seen with a great Broadway cast, the material is the same, but the feeling you get from it is really different.
 
 
CameronStewart
20:24 / 26.03.05
I was thinking more on the differences between Michael Scott and David Brent. Michael Scott does an impression of Hitler to "entertain" the new temp. In the original series, Brent does an impression of John Cleese doing Basil Fawlty doing an impression of Hitler, which is obviously a very different thing. Few Americans know who Basil Fawlty is, so I can sort of understand the change, but while poor old David is merely trying to be funny by copying another comedian's routine, Scott's impression of Hitler is just plain insensitive and prickish, further removing any sort of sympathy for the character...
 
 
CameronStewart
20:33 / 26.03.05
>>>>The first UK one ends with Dawn sobbing, and there's no sense of relief or a closing laugh, the US one gives you the return of the Jello gag, and a more upbeat ending, which just didn't ring true.<<<

Well, the UK version had a repeat of the jelly gag - during the closing credits we see Gareth bring to David another plate of jelly with something of his immersed in it. But you're right in that the US version of that gag was needlessly overt - Jim gleefully waving the cameraman over and getting him to zoom in on the mug in the jello, while that shitty guitar theme music slowly rises up in the background? What the fuck?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:38 / 26.03.05
But the more corporate and large an office is the more it seems like everyone's acting all the time. Of course it's an American show so it's probably going to end up utterly drawn on sitcom lines but still... they might (might) pull it off.
 
 
coweatman
13:21 / 27.03.05
the preview for the "sensitivity day" training looks pretty great, though.

it's got the "david brent" guy, wearing a post it note with "martin luther king" on it, telling minorities they don't know what it's like to be a minority.

also, losing the stapler out the window gag was criminal.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:25 / 27.03.05
I don't know if the David Brent character would have to be sympathetic to make the US version work though - there'd no point in making the same show with Pittsburgh accents in any case ( and in that respect, the decision to base the first episode on the UK version seems like a bit of a mistake,) as a lot of it, eg the pop culture references, the curdled seaside postcard humour, and in particular the fact that someone in management's constantly on about how much he drinks, just wouldn't, at least as I understand it, really translate. US business culture seems a lot more hard-edged, brutal and frankly demented than it's slightly naff cousin over the pond, so it'd make sense if the Brent figure had far less in the way of saving graces - Ideally, picturing something like the original Office with added elements from In The Company Of Men, I'd be happy enough if he had none at all.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:14 / 27.03.05
It's more the fact that at least there was another dimension to the David Brent character, while Michael Scott seems entirely one note.
 
 
Jack_Rackem
00:53 / 04.05.05
After seeing the first season I have to say it is pretty damn funny show. Steve Correll and Rainn Wilson are very funny in their roles. I hope NBC renews the show for a second season.
 
 
crogdad
14:15 / 04.05.05
Also a big fan of the OG series, I was very skeptical. The U.S. version turned out pretty funny, though. I agree that Michael Scott is much more jerky than Brent, but I think that fits in with the whole translation to an American frame of reference. Dwight was quite a pleasent surpise. I was probably most worried about reinventing Garreth's character into someone trying to imitate Garreth, but I think he's written and cast pretty well. The Tim&Dawn / Jim&Pam thing is much less compelling, although, Pam seemed to be growing more tragic as the show went along. Still it doesn't seem as sentimental.

Topically it was dead on. Within the last six months my office has had diversity training, healthcare plan changes, a basketball team start up, and countless birthday parties, wedding/baby showers etc. The Alliance episode was too funny. The parking lot shot in that ep. where Jim is telling Dwight that the other two guys from the lunchroom where going to try vote them off had me rolling. I used to know a guy who was Dwight and I could totally picture him getting lost in an office fantasy like that.

So, yeah, I think the humor and some of the catharsis is in place, but it's missing some of the heart of the original. I hope it gets renewed.
 
 
Ridiculous Man
04:52 / 14.09.07
I want to bump this thread. Given that it begins its fourth season next week, I think its earned another chance. It seems most of this thread is based on the first (and admittedly worst) episode.
 
 
Dead Megatron
10:13 / 14.09.07
I actually like the US version better, but that's just because the heavy Brit accent (no offense!) of the original always makes me miss half the jokes.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:26 / 14.09.07
I warmed to the US version after watching the second season, but there's still things about it that disappoint me. I'm very glad that they went in their own direction and wrote original scripts, and a lot of it has been quite funny, but it still has that feeling of artifice and theatricality that puts me off. One thing that drives me nuts is how cavalier they are with the "documentary" format of the show - there's always cross-cutting between 3 camera angles covering each character, the cameras capture moments between characters that would be highly unlikely to be filmed (there's one episode when Jan and Dwight have a confidential meeting in a restaurant, and it's shot from across the restaurant to make it feel voyeuristic and secret, but logically both characters would be aware they were mic'ed and would likely see the camera crew in the restaurant and not allow filming to occur). The only thing that preserves the documentary premise are the talking head segments. Perhaps these are pedantic nitpicks but it really destroys the "reality" of the show for me, continually reminds me that it's a staged sitcom and undermines their own gimmick.

I can't believe the 4th season is going to be something like 30 episodes long with 4 hour-long specials, that just seems like overkill. "Here you go America, you love this show, now choke on it!"
 
 
HCE
20:38 / 14.09.07
Jim gleefully waving the cameraman over and getting him to zoom in on the mug in the jello,

It's Jim who really makes me hate the US version of the show. He's so fucking smug, so self-satisfied, such a second-string Abercrombie & Fitch model. I never feel any compassion for him, never feel he's slowly suffocating. He seems so insulated.

Remember the scene in the original where Tim is holding the stapler out of the window, threatening to drop it? He's breathing hard, he's upset. His behavior is a ridiculous response to a ridiculous situation, and that situation is his life, and it just kills him. "You bring me to this, you bring me down to this," he says (not sure of the exact quote) and his tone is so rich with despair and self-loathing. The US version just doesn't have any humans in it, in my opinion. I don't care about any of those cardboard people.
 
 
Quimper
20:55 / 14.09.07
Couldn't agree more. What made Jim so likeable was that suffocating feeling of total hell that someone with a brain like his was trapped in the world of half-wits. Sort of like the joke of the Temp (in UK, brilliant at trivia, appeared on a game show, maybe more that I missed...here in the states, he has an MBA) fleshed out and made real.

Tim, however, is just some guy who kinda has common sense. That seething anger and sense of complete defeat just isn't there.
 
 
PatrickMM
00:41 / 15.09.07
Quimper, I'm guessing you meant the reverse re: Jim and Tim. For me, the US Office is an entertaining show, but it's primarily the supporting cast that makes it worth the watching. The whole Jim/Pam thing was done so perfectly on the UK Office, this just feels like a lame elseworlds version. I can't get emotionally invested in those characters because I gave my all the others.

However, it is still consistently entertaining, if a lot more US sitcommy than its British counterpart. But, that's an inevitable consequence of 22 episode seasons, the need to come up with increasingly odd stories to keep the show going. The trip to the beach or Michael almost jumps off a building were low points for me. I still think the show is strongest when it goes for really dark, uncomfortably real moments. But, at its core, the US show is about the way you can make fun, while the UK show is all about escaping the work world and pursuing what you really want.
 
 
HCE
21:03 / 15.09.07
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wwxGUBUnwSc

The scene I was referring to, above.
 
 
Quimper
17:12 / 16.09.07
Eep. Thanks Patrick.
 
 
lille christina
19:58 / 16.09.07
I've only seen some two or three episodes of the British series a while ago. Back then I didn't like it very much. A few months ago my boyfriend introduced me to the US version and I just fell in love with it. I think it's hilarious!

Today I visited a friend of mine, she has season 1 and 2 of the British "The Office" on DVD and I borrowed it. I thought that maybe I should give it another chance (at least while waiting for the next season of the US Office to start), especially after I've seen "The Extras", which was damn funny.
 
 
ibis the being
00:55 / 18.09.07
Well, two and a half years later I can say that I did not warm to it. I only made it about halfway through the first season... it's just not that good. A couple of funny moments in an overall so-so sitcom is not enough to hold my interest. And I never did get past comparing it to the UK original which is just in another league completely.
 
 
lille christina
06:02 / 18.09.07
I saw some of them yesterday (the Brithis series). I see now that the US version is different from the British. The British version seems far more realistic or life-like, while the US version is more TV-ish.

But still, I like the US version. It made me laugh a lot, while I get doushe chills from the British one (which also is charming..yes, both the doushe chills and the series). But I can see how someone who saw the entire British "The Office" way before the US version was aired would not like the US version very much, because it is after all just a ripoff.

Either way, I have to say I think that I may like Garreth a bit better than Dwight...but I'm not quite sure yet.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:06 / 18.09.07
>>>But I can see how someone who saw the entire British "The Office" way before the US version was aired would not like the US version very much, because it is after all just a ripoff<<<

Well, it's not a "ripoff" - it's an authorized remake endorsed (and contributed to) by the original series' creators.
 
 
lille christina
16:16 / 18.09.07
Well, it's not a "ripoff" - it's an authorized remake endorsed (and contributed to) by the original series' creators.

OK, sorry. Then remake is what I meant.
 
 
bjrn
18:50 / 18.09.07
I totally agree about the difference in Tim and Jim. In my eyes, Tim suffers and really wants to be somewhere else, all the time (except for Dawn being there, obviously), he hates his job, he hates Slough, he hates his life. Jim on the other hand delights in his long workdays with no work, the total lack of anything challenging.

The first season of the US version wasn't too pleasurable to watch, because they really were following the UK version, and I'm glad they moved away from the original and tried to make it into something that could stand on it's own to a degree.

I think it's an okay series, and as long as you manage to put the UK version out of your mind and stop making comparisons it's worth watching.
 
 
Tsuga
00:08 / 04.06.08
I've just got through all four seasons up to the present. I've got to say I think that too many people seem to have been tainted by the original; that is, you become familiar with characters and the atmosphere and tone of a show that you really enjoy, and that familiarity makes it so much easier for the writers and actors to use shorthand and avoid exposition, making things that much more intimate. When you see a different version, the stark differences are...well, stark— and the intimacy is gone. It feels like a betrayal to try to become familiar in the same way with new people because all you can do is compare the differences.

Or, maybe I'm reading too much into it. But I really enjoyed much of the US version. It is very different tonally, not quite as many really stiff, painfully uncomfortable scenes; or when they're there, the discomfiture is more brief (in general). The characters are for the most part barely like their original counterparts; they are different people. For example, other than the bosses both being oblivious, self-obsessed, highly inappropriate, and emotionally crippled, they are so very different in so many ways. I think I may have been helped by the years since I've seen the original distancing me from it, but now I'd like to see it again.
But I am quite fond of the US version. Ed Helms alone is worth watching. And actually Melora Hardin is brilliant as Jan.
 
  

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