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Dec. 22, 2012

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20:29 / 02.09.01

What do you think will happen, if anything at all? A very quick internet search brought up everything from:

Osiris is risen from the dead?
"Accomplishment of Earth Navigation of Free Will creates Self-existing Endlessness?"
A magnetic pole shift for planet Earth?
A giant comet hits the Yucatan penninsula?

Anybody here have their own theories?

Tamayyurt

09:17 / 03.09.01

A giant pencil is gonna come down from the sky, everyone will be tipped off the fictional nature of reality, and um, loot virgin stores everywhere!

SMS

09:17 / 03.09.01

We finally realize, as a planet, just how much the concept of time we have made up, and we see it in a new light.

Lazlo Woodbine [some call me Laz]

09:17 / 03.09.01

I'm going to just slip out of rhyme,
I know it's a crime,
but i cannot be arsed
so just let it pass.

Was it the Myan civalisation who predicted that the Earth moves in cycles, and that in 2012 (possibly Dec. 22) our Earth finishes its' fifth and final cycle.

The end of all that we thought that we know,
nothing but pain, and torture, and sorrow

Templar

09:17 / 03.09.01

Yes. Not sure that you've got the date right, but all Mayan Calender Stones end of the same day - supposedly the end of the fifth age.

For general pseudo-mystical rubbish about this, read The Mayan Prophecies, by Gilbert and Beauval. (Possibly different spelling on the author's names.) I met one of them once. He had no idea what the Moundbuilder theory was, which, for somebody who proported to have written a book about the Maya, was quite a revelation.

Rev. Jesse

09:17 / 03.09.01

he he he

December 22nd is the eve of my birthday.

I am going to throw the mother of all birthday partys.

You are all invited.

In 2012 I will turn 34. That means I will be 33 for 12/22/12. This of course happens be the age Jesus died.

[Can't believe I missed that math error the 1st time...]

(This of course means that this year I turn 23 and the digits in my birthdate, 12/23/78 or 1+2+2+3+7+8 also add up to 23.)

All hail Discordia!

-Jesse

[ 03-09-2001: Message edited by: Rev. Jesse ]

[ 06-09-2001: Message edited by: Rev. Jesse ]

Tucker Tripp

09:17 / 03.09.01

I think Mr. Terrence DMT-mushy McKenna has a bit to say about that particular date... maybe

6opow

09:17 / 03.09.01

quote:Originally posted by Jonny's Neumother:
...nothing but pain, and torture, and sorrow

And that would be different from the world as it is now how exactly?
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Yes, tiger's mouth, Mr. McKenna has a theory, "timescape zero," which predicts that in 2012 there will be an apex of infinite novelty. Apparently, this will be the world folding into hyper-space (whatever that is supposed to mean). McKenna's ideas are certainly novel, and even interesting. He bases this theory on the I-Ching, and chaos mathematics (esp. fractal modeling); however, I wonder how we are to distinguish infinite novelty from any other moment, as all moments are equally new.

[ 03-09-2001: Message edited by: the godog ]

z3r0

11:24 / 03.09.01

Ah yes, Dec.22, 2012... I think I'll be 38 (which is like, totally the end of the world - and that's all.

Kobol Strom

20:02 / 03.09.01

Everyone mutates into Tolkien characters, like Shadowrun,and everything Spielberg read in 'Amazing Stories'becomes available through nintendo,and then capitalism becomes conscious,to migrate beyond distant stars to help bring about 'presents' to all the good little children on Andromeda,who have no idea what a console is.The Playstation slogan -christmas,year 2012: 'Get down on your knees and play -it's not the end!'.

Mordant Carnival

20:35 / 03.09.01

quote:Originally posted by z3r0:
Ah yes, Dec.22, 2012... I think I'll be 38 (which is like, totally the end of the world - and that's all.

Ah,hahahah! Y'ol'git, yah! Hey, Grandad, want your hearing aid? Want yer slippers, do yah? Harrrr! Here, let me get your Zimmer frame for yer... just a minute... *counts on fingers* I'm 27 now, birthday's in.... lessee...

Hey, 38 is not old, okay? It's not the end of the world. I mean, we're all spoze to live to, like, 112 these days, yah? I mean, I'll be, like, thirtyni- thirtysomething myself, right? So, I mean, I'll still have most of my life ahead of me, right? Right?

Right?

Mordant Carnival

20:38 / 03.09.01

quote:Originally posted by Templar:
For general pseudo-mystical rubbish about this, read The Mayan Prophecies, by Gilbert and Beauval. (Possibly different spelling on the author's names.) I met one of them once. He had no idea what the Moundbuilder theory was, which, for somebody who proported to have written a book about the Maya, was quite a revelation.

That's because they are full of shit!!!! And wossface, the was-God-an-astronaut dude... he can fuck off and all...

Templar

20:44 / 03.09.01

That's the point I was making. And you're thinking of Chariots of the Gods?

RiffRaff

12:05 / 04.09.01

Someone else who thinks 12/22/2012 will be significant, besides the Mayans and Terence McKenna, is a French scientist whose name I've forgotten, but Robert Anton Wilson has reported on his stuff.

See, he's worked out how much information was possessed by humans around the time of Jesus's birth, then worked out how long it took for that amount to double. Then how long it took to double again, and so forth. Apparently, the rate of doubling is practically exponential, and assuming it continues at the same rate, we will eventually hit a state where the amount of information we possess is doubling several times a second.

This state will arrive, according to his calculations, around December 22, 2012.

Kobol Strom

15:53 / 04.09.01

So we build a big supercomputer thats sucks in data exponentially....until,what?-Terminator 2?

17:06 / 04.09.01

quote:Originally posted by RiffRaff:
[QB]Someone else who thinks 12/22/2012 will be significant, besides the Mayans and Terence McKenna, is a French scientist whose name I've forgotten, but Robert Anton Wilson has reported on his stuff.[QB]

I'm wondering how anyone could possibly arrive at an objectively measurable quantity for such a thing as the wealth of human knowledge... Does anyone know this French scientist's name? or where R.A.W. has reported on his stuff?

RiffRaff

17:49 / 04.09.01

The name of the book's on the tip of my tongue... "Quantum Trigger"? Maybe?

I'll look it up at home and post when I get to work tomorrow morning.

MJ-12

18:02 / 04.09.01

Probably in Cosmic Trigger and/or Prometheus Rising. Wilson is a bit on the redundant side. Pesky short-term memory loss.

However, others have been doing the same calculation as to when the info singularity arrives and it keeps getting pushed back. I'll see if I can find a few specifics when I have the opportunity.

RiffRaff

21:54 / 04.09.01

Okay, here's the skinny:

The book is 'Cosmic Trigger II'.
The statistician who originally came up with the info is named George Anderla, and it appears to be corroberated by a computer scientist named Dr. Jaques Vallee, who says that at the moment, information is doubling about every 18 months. R.A.W. didn't specifically mention 12/22/2012 in the book (except to say "Could Terrence McKenna be right?" or somesuch), but I remember reading more info on the subject elsewhere, probably the aforementioned _Prometheus Rising_, which I no longer have a copy of.

grant

16:27 / 05.09.01

Jacques Vallee is a pretty famous ufologist, BTW.

Morlock - groupie for hire

21:45 / 04.10.01

from godog's 'The Lovers' blurb

quote:3 x 7. The world as it is built back up in a better way

It'll be my 37th b'day....Naah, don't believe it for a second.

Mr. Whisper

10:20 / 06.10.01

an indian yogi will recite the final part of the ali yuga and novelty will increase to the point where there is no difference between the objective and the subjective. our reality tunnel traps will no longer be able to work in an environment of infinite novelty. hence, our sentence is up. cheers

Suffocate

13:05 / 07.10.01

Pfft. You're all wrong. On 22 December, 2012, we'll all suddenly remember that half the world is still trying to get their telephone systems to work, and that unless we actually do something apart from employ their children in sweatshops, this stupid world will go on forever without a satisfactory doomsday - and <i>that</i>, my friends, is just not acceptable.

Suffocate

13:06 / 07.10.01

Not only that, but Italics will begin to work again as well.

Johnny Mother

16:00 / 07.10.01

The world premiere of the new Coca-Cola christmas ad, instead of just re-using that same old one with the trucks.

'doomsday-is-a-coming, doomsday-is-a-coming'

Personally, I prefer Dr. Venkmans version of the apocalypse..."Dogs and Cats, living together..."

MaximusOverdrive

22:29 / 07.10.01

i dunno... i mean, these scientists and all have theorized so many lofty ideas, but what i really think will happen is just a diametric shift in perspective and thought. i think something will happen that day and the world will never be the same again. maybe god will become real, maybe angels will fall from the sky, maybe something as simple as a really good movie. i just think that humanity will change. we'll become ready for the evolution of man beyond that of what we are now.

can't think too well though. i'm sick as a dog.

laters,

-michael

The One Eyed King

23:36 / 07.10.01

Teens all over suffer from strange foot pains. The cause? The $250 shoes that they are all wearing because they look cool.

Voidrazor

15:40 / 09.10.01

Well, I'll be 42. So I guess I'll finally get the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything.

Actually, I think that there will be a significant change in the nature of consciousness around that time. A change that cannot be anticipated or understood by our present selves.

one_stubborn_badger

09:04 / 24.10.02

dna computing & genetic research will make homo sapiens obsolete on that day (according to my smoky crystal quartz) thus the end of an age, infinity novelty in the form of new sources of intelligent life, created by us, & derivative of our culture, but in every way superior & eventually a replacement for us... (unless we kill ourselves off first, to prevent such a blasphemey from ever occuring)

or maybe not (that could just be a reflection in the smoky quartz)

Vadrice

02:20 / 25.10.02

I'm of the personal opinion that the energies of the earth aren't use to the critters on it making such big changes in such small amounts of time. But I think those energies are waking up and growing faster reflexes. I think by the fifth age, the two will have caught up. I think we'll be on the same wavelength then, or at least moving at the same twitch speed- our energies and earth's.

Could be catastrophic, could be subtle, could be DAMN cool.

But it's deffintly going to be... um... a day. I'm guessing the sun will both rise AND set.

doglikesparky

11:43 / 25.10.02

But it's deffintly going to be... um... a day. I'm guessing the sun will both rise AND set

Possibly not, I read (can't remember where) that the poles shifting will result in the earth stopping and spinning in the opposite direction. This would mean that for a period (presumably about 24 hours), you'd either have a very long day or night depending on where you are in the world.

To jump in on the birthday comments : One of my best friends turns 40 that day, so for him at least, life begins...

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:02 / 25.10.02

Umm...I think it would also mean everybody dying. Horribly. Would have to get back to you on that.

Could somebody fill me in on this one? I have heard that the whole 22/12/12 eschatology is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of Mayan concepts fo time - that they would find the idea of the end of the world, or of time as a linear process, utterly inexplicable.

Any ideas if/how this is true?

Utopia

12:07 / 25.10.02

i bet....the same thing that'll happen when my vcr clock "runs out" of time when its calendar ends in 2005...NADA.

but i'm just being a cynic troublemaker. lights will flash. oceans will swell. kitties will 'splode.

solid~liquid onwards

13:22 / 25.10.02

12.22.2012 perhaps computers shall evolve and use 3 symbols to think (as opposed to two (1010100010111010)they will go

"121210210210021002-meow"

Sebastian

13:31 / 25.10.02

The Western mind, our minds, will be dead, which means that whatever an ugandan native believes about anything will be as equally meaningful, valuable, or nonsensical and useless, as whatever a scientist may also believe about the same thing at that time.

The human specie will still be around.

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