BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Vimanarama #2

 
  

Page: 1(2)

 
 
Benny the Ball
20:11 / 15.03.05
It all got a bit too Mars Attacks for me (the people shooting each other accidently with the new weapons for example).
 
 
The Falcon
08:41 / 18.03.05
The Times of India seems happy enough with it.
 
 
sleazenation
12:23 / 18.03.05
Looked to me like that article was cribbed from the Guardian and sax's piece.

This is sub-par morrison, mitigated by beatiful Bond art work. Its better than many things out there, but that doesn't automatically make it 'so effing great'.
 
 
Ganesh
13:07 / 18.03.05
There are echoes of the early days of the gay rights movement, with the welcoming of any non-negative representation...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:15 / 18.03.05
Its better than many things out there, but that doesn't automatically make it 'so effing great'.

That was a swipe at me, wasn't it. Well that just makes me want to read your post all the less.

Maybe I should have said..."Cunting Great"?

The Facts: Vimanarama #2 engaged in me a more visceral emotional response than the last 12 books Grant Morrison released to market. If this book made even one person gleeful, regardless of ignorance or mussed hair, isn't that at least "par" for the "course"? It takes a village...? (No, wait, wrong cliche. I'll think of something else.)
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:31 / 18.03.05
I did enjoy it, on second read. I found the opening a bit odd, the whole naked and dead people thing, but I really like Ali. I loved when he is trying to spill his heart out, but it's blocked out by the sound of a big mechanical tripod thing. And the last page was quite beautiful. I was also quite taken with the page where the guy throws the molotov cocktail, something about grim and nasty London being destroyed there contrasted well with the sunny splash page of the shop back missing.
 
 
sleazenation
15:52 / 18.03.05
I'm...Gene Parmesan (Birdie)

It wasn't a swipe at you personally, but it is a direct quote from the thread summary. The thread summary serves a different function to an ordinary post; in many ways it sets the parameters and tone for the debate that follows. Ideally, it is not meant to represent any one single view because that position brooks no discussion.

Unfortunately, in this case the parameters of debate appear to be, as Nesh alludes to, that this comic is great, lets talk about why it’s great. Not a great start, particularly when you appear to be defending your position on the virtues of this issue on the grounds that it is your opinion.

Everyone is, of course, entitled to their own opinions. But that entitlement does not, in itself exonerate anyone from the charge that they are lacking in critical faculties, a problem that has been alluded to by more than one poster on this thread.

To put it simply, I don’t agree that this comic is ‘So Effing Great’, and I’m kind of disappointed that you think not agreeing with you means my post is any less worth reading.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:08 / 18.03.05
hmmm I enjoyed it. Cliches aside, it entertained me and the art was lovely.

It did certainly remind me of some of the Bollywoodey comics a buddy of mine brought home while traveling India, Tailand and such. I'm curious about how much of the story narrative is a riff/lift from there.

I'd much prefer this to say Spiderman India . . . for what that's worth.

Now, is there someone I should insult?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:13 / 18.03.05
To put it simply, I don’t agree that this comic is ‘So Effing Great’, and I’m kind of disappointed that you think not agreeing with you means my post is any less worth reading.

Yeah, that was probably not the best place for me to quote Arrested Development.

I, naturally, read and value all of your posts.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:17 / 19.03.05
Me: I really... hate that argument, as all right thinking people should do, as it effectively insulates the creator from any form of criticism...

Peter Outerbridge sings! Oh christ. Alright, call your ego back, you didn't really need to unleash it full force here. "As all right thinking people should..." OY. In other words, people that disagree with you, right? And how, exactly, does my saying that Grant may be using the Ultrahadeen as a form of satire insulate him from criticism? I'm talking about A plot device, not his work as a whole.

I was going to point out that my 'as all right thinking people do' remark was what I thought would be seen as a fairly obvious joke, but now I won't bother because your outraged response is just more fun.

And do I really have to answer that question, because I think it's been answered by a) what you didn't quote and b) by numerous discussions on different subjects both here and anywhere people gather to talk over these things. If someone appears to make a mistake in their references (and Grant has done this in the past) and someone tries to defend them by saying it's deliberate that is basically a bid to render them immune to criticism on one of the main planks of a storyline. Isn't it better to take Occam's Razor and work on the principle that, until we get evidence to the contrary, this was a mistake?

Ganesh: Yes, I'm sure that's it. It's utterly inconceivable that he could be one of those people.

Peter Outerbridge sings! Ah yes, the "I defended a portion of Morrison's work, so I must obviously worship at his altar" argument. Very clever, because it hasn't already been used to death on this forum.

In which case I would have thought you'd be better at spotting it, because that's not what Ganesh is saying here. It seems to be you claiming that people are accusing you of being a rabid Morrison fan, in order to deny this, as though it somehow proves your argument.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:42 / 19.03.05
Time for the acid test.

Who's buying ish 3, then?
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:32 / 19.03.05
That's the last one, right? I will be, simply because, as I said, I like Ali, and I really liked the last page on issue 2.
 
 
wicker woman
10:29 / 19.03.05
I was going to point out that my 'as all right thinking people do' remark was what I thought would be seen as a fairly obvious joke, but now I won't bother because your outraged response is just more fun.

Right. Umm... er, *thpppt* But seriously, that kind of opinion is not entirely unheard-of on the interweb, and sarcasm is not always the most easily indicated thing in text-based interactions. At any rate, the day I start feeling genuine outrage over a difference of opinion on a comic book is the day I walk in front of Rush Limbaugh dressed like a diet pill.


And do I really have to answer that question, because I think it's been answered by a) what you didn't quote

Real quick; I'm assuming that you're implying some kind of intentional deception on my part by not including the full text of your post. If not, feel free to correct me, but that wasn't my intention. I almost never quote a full post, especially not on a forum that doesn't provide a hot button or other tool specifically for it. I just assume that the usual readers on that forum are quick enough to know that I'm replying to the full post without having to direct-reference the entire thing.

If someone appears to make a mistake in their references (and Grant has done this in the past) and someone tries to defend them by saying it's deliberate that is basically a bid to render them immune to criticism on one of the main planks of a storyline.

Right. But not to the degree of having a really colorful, sattellite-missile-firing, JLA-ish headquarters-having group of Gods that pop up to fight evil. Not to mention that one of them can be hurt by a leaf 'cause his woman don't love him. The point I'm trying to make is not that Grant can't make mistakes, but just not to THIS degree unless it was purposeful. It's like if he wrote a fiction piece about JFK really being a ninja; I'm going to take it on faith that Grant isn't actually that stupid.

Isn't it better to take Occam's Razor and work on the principle that, until we get evidence to the contrary, this was a mistake?

Yeah, normally. But see above.

Peter Outerbridge sings! Ah yes, the "I defended a portion of Morrison's work, so I must obviously worship at his altar" argument. Very clever, because it hasn't already been used to death on this forum.

In which case I would have thought you'd be better at spotting it, because that's not what Ganesh is saying here. It seems to be you claiming that people are accusing you of being a rabid Morrison fan, in order to deny this, as though it somehow proves your argument.


By the semi-snarky language, I was assuming that was what he was saying. Besides which, it seems that is what he was implying here, as he didn't deny it in his follow-up post and in fact seemed to follow that tack. So, y'know.


Oh, and yeah, I will be buying the third issue.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:40 / 19.03.05
Mate, Vimanarama is an asian fetish-fest, there's no way Grant's using it to point out how ignorant we all are. It's pretty clear from everything Grant's said about the book that, whilst its funny, it's definitely not some kind of wry comment re cultural divides. God, how fucking meta-dull would that be. Enjoy it for what it is.
 
 
wicker woman
11:57 / 19.03.05
Oh, I can and do. I threw that idea out there in the first place as an idea regarding the criticisms of the Ultrahadeen, it's not like I need validation of that to enjoy the comic.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:42 / 19.03.05
Peter Outerbridge sings! Real quick; I'm assuming that you're implying some kind of intentional deception on my part by not including the full text of your post. If not, feel free to correct me, but that wasn't my intention.

I'm not at all, I just felt that I'd already answered your point. No worries...
 
 
diz
15:24 / 19.03.05
Time for the acid test.

Who's buying ish 3, then?


i am. but, it's worth noting, i bought all seven issues of Identity Crisis, too, so it might be best not to read too much into that beyond my inability to drop minis in mid-run.

i like it. it's fun. it's totally a weird dayglo "Asian fetish fest," as Pappuce put it, but it's gotten very funny.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:18 / 19.03.05
I only bought the first 2 issues of IC, for the record and I am so definitely buying #3 of Vimanarama. I'm enjoying it. I agree with the stance Pappuce and many others have taken on Vimanarama - fun wild ride.
 
 
Krug
07:25 / 20.03.05
On it's own not a bad comic after all but a lack of effort here again.

Gonna buy issue 3 and throw it away in the bin, not gonna bother with the trade and I'm a trades guy. I give my singles away and buy trades to everything I like.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:52 / 20.03.05
Seeing as how I posed the question, I feel it's only fair to say that yes, I'll be buying it.

I'm enjoying it... I don't think it's his best comic- it doesn't attempt to do anything other than be fun, as far as I can tell, but in the "being fun" stakes it doesn't match Seaguy, which also seemed to be doing a lot more.

It hasn't upset me like Seaguy or We3 (or even the last GM Animal Man) did- I don't feel particularly emotionally involved thus far; but I think if all my comics reduced me to tears I'd pretty soon find a new hobby. It has made me laugh like a twat on occasion.

Bond's artwork is, as always, pretty damn cool- I think it fits this better than Invisibles volume 3, where I thought the pictures themelves were lovely, but for me didn't really match what I was reading in terms of tone- whereas Vimanarama seems the perfect place for it. That said, I'm not a particularly visual person- I buy comics primarily for the writing, rather than the art (though good/shit art can still make/ruin a comic).
 
 
Billuccho!
15:33 / 20.03.05
I'll buy the third issue. I've got the first two, after all, and it is Morrison, so he could pull it off in the last inning...
 
 
Planet B
20:49 / 21.03.05
Who's buying ish 3, then?

Right here. Proudly and not giving a damn if it's Golgotha-written or not. I just think it's damn fun... you know, like a comic book.

I re-read it last night looking for the subtle racism of GM but could find none... but I'm a white NYer, so...

I liked the two-page spread with the hole in the back yard, reminded me of a technicolor version of Rick Geary's art.
 
 
The Falcon
16:04 / 22.03.05
I don't think anyone is making accusations of racism, though. Insensitivity, yes.

Yeah, I'm a get #3. It's not like it's actually bad or anything.
 
 
Unicornius
19:40 / 22.03.05
I'm buying number three since I can identify with Ali's predeicament. But usually the girl chooses the hinduslamic God over me.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:09 / 22.03.05
I'll pcik up #3.

Hell if it was an ongoing series I'd probably continue to enjoy it.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:57 / 19.05.05

But when are we going to pick it up? It´s been two months since No.2, and no sign of 3, yet...

Hm, I checked on the Vertigo site, they say, we have to wait until 15 June!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:36 / 21.05.05
15th June? They're really taking the piss...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:21 / 23.05.05
Who does Phil Bond think he is? Frank Quietly?
 
  

Page: 1(2)

 
  
Add Your Reply