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The Machinist

 
  

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D Terminator XXXIII
14:20 / 07.03.05
Have you seen the movie?

Or have you heard about it?

If you haven't, perhaps it would be for the best if you didn't read any spoilers and watched it. Trust me, it's the most effective way of experiencing this endlessly unsettling classic. I can safely say that having seen it without reading anything by the hype machine and being completely alone at the cinema at the first ever screening.

Trevor Reznik (Bale) is the titular machinist who hasn't slept for a year. As the movie opens, we witness a killing by Reznik. As he get rids of the body by the sea, he is discovered by someone, and the movie jumps in time, forwards or backwards we don't know. And that's all you need to know.

Speaking as a hardened cinema goer, this has been one of the best releases of the last year, but which has been struggling to gather attention. Undeservedly, methinks.

This first post is mercifully free of spoilers, but I warn you: they will appear.

So have you seen it yet?
 
 
Spaniel
14:32 / 07.03.05
I'll be seeing it the second it comes out over here.
Which is soon.
 
 
CameronStewart
16:35 / 07.03.05
No, I'm sorry, but no. This had to have been one of the worst films I've seen in as long as I can remember, rivalling Saw for its earnest pretentiousness in the face of preposterous, ham-fisted cliche. It's a movie that (apparently along with some of its audience) thinks it's far more clever and intelligent than it actually is. I can't really talk about it without spoiling it, but the Big Suprise Twist Ending is idiotic and cliched and I'm almost tempted to spoil it just on principle.

It's interesting only for Christian Bale's startling weight-loss, which he supposedly achieved by literally starving himself. One seriously has to question a director that would allow his actor to put himself in that kind of physical danger, though.

But yeah, I honestly feel this movie is worthless trash.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:04 / 07.03.05
Just a note, from reading various articles about Bale: I think the director was mad at Bale for losing all the weight without his having any knowledge of it. Bale is just that kind of actor, I guess.
 
 
doozy floop
17:10 / 07.03.05
Tried to catch this at the Edinburgh Festival last year to feed my undying love of Christian Bale, but was sorely deprived and ended up seeing Saved instead... Is it on general release or wot? I've been trying to look out for it and will surely die if I miss it again.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
18:09 / 07.03.05
I'm not sure, but there are posters for (what I think must be) this all over Shoreditch/Brick lane at the moment - they say '{someone - Reznik?] is a _ _ _ _ er' - it's a hangman game... endless amusement possible (if you've just had about eight pints).
 
 
Spaniel
19:23 / 07.03.05
rivalling Saw for its earnest pretentiousness in the face of preposterous, ham-fisted cliche

That bad, huh? Saw was last year's *rage movie* in Boboss world.
 
 
CameronStewart
19:33 / 07.03.05
I rented Saw a few nights ago and subsequently described it to a friend as "the worst movie I've seen since The Machinist."

I seriously considered walking out of the theatre while watching The Machinist. It's a thoroughly terrible, cliche-ridden script dressed up with gloomy, washed-out arthouse pretention.

Can I spoil the end? Please? It's the only way to accurately describe how stupid it is.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:26 / 07.03.05
Please do, Cameron. I had plans to see it tonight with some friends but might not be able. It'd be more satisfying to know exactly what I'm not missing.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:07 / 07.03.05
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It's one of those fucking "multiple personality" movies, where the weird guy who turns up mysteriously to taunt and torment Reznik and leave weird notes for him actually turns out to be - gasp! - Reznik himself! No WONDER no one else ever seemed to see him! And it's got that wonderful cliche moment when he looks at a photo that previously depicted the weird other guy, but now - gasp! - it's a photo of HIMSELF! Oh my GOD!

And other assorted bullshit revealed in the closing "shocking revelation" montage sequence where we find out that Reznik ran over a kid in his car, and was so traumatized that he blocked it out of his memory and suffers insomnia, and half the characters in the movie are either hallucinations or alternate personalities.

And of course, if you actually go back and examine the scenes where he's interacting with these characters, with the new knowledge that "it's all in his head," they don't make a lick of sense any more.

It worked once in Fight Club, but I've seen at least three movies since that also have this stupid twist and I don't ever want to see another one.

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Whisky Priestess
21:11 / 07.03.05
Dang, I tried to get to see this when it was on at the SciFi Film Festival, but naturally it was sold out. I have to say that I'll probably watch it whatever the general verdict is: I'm a slavering fan of sci-fi noir and Bale (and Leigh ain't so bad neither).
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:24 / 07.03.05
Yeah, I was going to watch it for Jennifer Jason Leigh - who I think is fantastic - when out in LA with Mrs The Ball (TBC), but kind of glad I didn't as everything kept banging on and on about Bale's weight and nothing else. Alarm Bells rang. Thanks C.S., I love spoilers in my older years, they save me so much time and anger.
 
 
eddie thirteen
22:25 / 07.03.05
You lost me at the guy's name -- Trevor Reznik? Wasn't he a singer in some classic rock band? CCR or something? I vomit at the aging hipster responsible on general principle.
 
 
CameronStewart
23:07 / 07.03.05
I thought it sounded like Trent Reznor - i.e. a wholly unconvincing name, but at least an industrial dance musician can pull it off.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:32 / 08.03.05
Yeah, it's meant to I think. The scriptwriter's a big Nine Inch Nails fan, apparently.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
16:32 / 08.03.05
Saw this a few months ago. Was quite looking forward to it. And was very disappointed. I agree with Mr. Stewart's points.

The set up was great, the execution not so much.
 
 
Hieronymus
18:06 / 08.03.05
So I ended up getting dragged to it anyway, Cameron. And you're right. Pretty damn hackneyed.

But at least we have a new celebrity diet. An apple and a can of tuna a day. *shudders*
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:24 / 08.03.05
I thought he survived purely on whisky and cigarettes!

Thank you for spoiling, Cameron! I can't bear reading lots of reviews for things which go "... but if we told you x we'd spoil it all!" because I always have to know. But I also didn't want to see this. So hurrahs all round!
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
13:55 / 09.03.05
So, now I have clear evidence that Stewart and I have no matching taste in movies. Which is kind of nice, because I have been looking for someone to guide me through the releases, now that everything premieres later here (Million Dollar Baby in April? Goodness me). So far the people whose tastes I trust are Flyboy and Jack the Bodiless, who both post far too rarely here. Where's Videodrome when you need him? Or even Rizla, with his weird choices. Am I the only one to think that this forum has seen its better days? I no longer receive early word on that forgotten gem, the underhyped experience which, gasp, is much better than the commercially inflated clunker. Anyway, here's why Stewart and Kali are both very wrong (spoiler space embrace):

The twist, such as it is, is not what the movie is about. The movie is about itself. And it is also about links to other movies.

What readily came to mind after watching it for the first time was how alike it was to Nolan's last two movies. In Memento, there is the unreliable narrator desperately trying to find an answer to a mystery: the death of his wife. In the Machinist the mystery is everywhere. Both have fragmented states of mind that, in the first, perpetuates, and, in the second, result in closure. The interesting linkage begins: In Nolan's last film, the excellent morality play Insomnia, Pacino's once clean cop has commited a morally grey act that is about to catch up with him. Through chance or by design, he kills his partner and decides to cover it up - but the hunted, 'real' murderer knows about it and the murderer uses this to bring Pacino closer to where he is. Pacino's conscience won't allow him to sleep, and it is only when the matter is resolved that he attains his rightful sleep. In the Machinist much the same thing has happened, but Reznik no longer remembers what he has done. And his fractured mental state of mind, augmented by the sleep deprivation, creates a reality where what he has done is perpetuated with varying and distressing symbols. Linkage no. 3: Nolan and Bale have done a big movie that will premiere in a couple of months.

I don't have much time, but I want to include eXistenZ, Spider and Stewart's choice, Fight Club, as three equally important movies that the writer and director of the Machinist would know about (And the Downward Spiral, perhaps, as a thematic distant relative).

I'm not denying that this movie is very samey to the above movies plotwise - what Stewart or kali have not touched upon is the concentric use of words, sound, symbols and imagery. I was truly impressed with the scene at the playground when Nicholas asks how Trent met his mother. A couple of radio cars (sic?) crash exactly as he utters the question. There is a storm brewing in the distant horizon as Trent gets rid of the body in the beginning, and there is a storm brewing in the sky when Trent meets Ivan for the first time. The stick figure is in many places, one of the most subtle occurences is at the metro station as Trent crawls down to the sewer. The arrows are everywhere, even nearby his home as an ad. The fish symbol is employed throughout the movie, as is the tower.

Time prohibits that I continue, but remember that this movie is dense.

And terrific.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
13:58 / 09.03.05
(And forgot to add: Trent cleans up the bathroom floor with bleach on the exact same spot where he later 'kills' Ivan)
 
 
CameronStewart
15:16 / 09.03.05
Why are you going on about Christopher Nolan? It almost sounds like you think that The Machinist is his latest film, when it isn't, it was directed by Brad Anderson, who also directed the dire Session 9.

>>>>I'm not denying that this movie is very samey to the above movies plotwise - what Stewart or kali have not touched upon is the concentric use of words, sound, symbols and imagery. I was truly impressed with the scene at the playground when Nicholas asks how Trent met his mother. A couple of radio cars (sic?) crash exactly as he utters the question. There is a storm brewing in the distant horizon as Trent gets rid of the body in the beginning, and there is a storm brewing in the sky when Trent meets Ivan for the first time. The stick figure is in many places, one of the most subtle occurences is at the metro station as Trent crawls down to the sewer. The arrows are everywhere, even nearby his home as an ad. The fish symbol is employed throughout the movie, as is the tower.<<<

Just because he uses these recurring images and symbols, does not mean that they are meaningful or interesting.

I maintain that it is rubbish.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
16:04 / 09.03.05
Why are you going on about Christopher Nolan?

Because Anderson (and possibly the writer) is a very movie-literate moviemaker, and he knows his Nolan.

I maintain that it's terrific.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
16:09 / 09.03.05
There is also the use of 3 - Miller's three lost fingers, predated by the three chimneys in the background during the beginning and somewhen else, followed by Ivan's five lost fingers which have been corrected with the use of a couple of toes.

The scene at the end where Trent hesitates inside the police station: the stick figure head motive is overlaid upon his head in a play of mirrored surfaces, suggesting that he is at last whole.

And so much more going on.
 
 
diz
21:59 / 09.03.05
So, now I have clear evidence that Stewart and I have no matching taste in movies.

there are three movies which i need to see before i can determine where his taste in movies matches with mine: this one, SAW, and The Life Aquatic. all three movies are ones that i think i will either totally love or totally hate (or at the very least find disappointing), and he´s posted very articulately about all three. i am curious to see where we fall.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
19:22 / 17.03.05
Whoa! This movie is, like, really inspired, man (pt. 41475)!

I couldn't sleep last night and out of boredom I watched Videodrome again, and that was when the most ingenious link happened upon me. I think it's just me, but most of it fits anyway...

I don't have to ellaborate upon eXistenZ and Jennifer Jason Leigh. But there was something about Michael Ironside and the fate which befells him that kept on nagging my mind - and suddenly it hit me: It's not the first time he's lost his arms in a movie. Total Recall anyone? You know, the big budget "is it real, or isn't it real" movie. Which was once slated to have been directed by Cronenberg. Who later directed eXistenZ.

How much of this shit is intended?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:37 / 22.03.05
Has anyone else seen this ? I've an afternoon to kill tomorrow, so I was thinking either this, or Constantine, or the new Woody Allen. Sideways, I fear, would be a bit near the bone.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
20:41 / 22.03.05
When/where is it on? I'm Jonesing for it and could get to somewhere central for about 6pm.

Anyone else?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:32 / 23.03.05
Oh damn I would but I have to go to Barnet.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:39 / 23.03.05
Also would, but I have to be home for Seven.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
21:51 / 24.03.05
Yeah, I went to a private view at the Saatchi Gallery instead. Ah well - I'm bound to have time over the Easter weekend ...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:10 / 25.03.05
I have seen Memento and Fight Club (and Donnie Darko, which it also resembles in some ways) and enjoyed this movie a great deal. I can see how someone might easily caricature it as pretentious (the protagonist does have a copy of Kafka in his bathroom cabinet) but that's a sneery, arrogant attitude in itself. It wouldn't be hard to deride most films, including many good films, by finding links to earlier films and going all mock-shocked "OH MY GOD like we didn't already see this in [list similar work] how many years ago". You could discount a lot of good films as pretentious on the basis of their use of repeated imagery, non-linear plots and eleventh-hour twists. I think it's a shame for a movie that in my opinion is intelligent to be attacked for thinking it's intelligent -- the only way for cinema to escape this is by being honest and dumb, rather than ambitious and risking over-reaching. To swipe at anyone who did enjoy The Machinist as, by extension, wannabe-intellectual is also a pity.

I don't expect Cameron Stewart could be persuaded that this is a good and worthwhile movie, but I want to offer my vote for it, in case some folk reading this thread, who might enjoy it, have been put off by the voices against it. I wouldn't have seen it today if I'd read the thread first, and I think I would have really missed out.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:03 / 25.03.05
A couple more thoughts. Firstly, it's clearly also got similarities to The Sixth Sense and The Usual Suspects (penultimate scene = revelatory montage of everything adding up/everything changing). So with hindsight I could agree that the big twist isn't stunningly original.

But that's not all a film consists of. The identity of Ivan could, I accept, give you a big-whoop, was-that-it feeling, but that's just the end. How about the journey to that end.

Even if I'd felt disappointed by the last scenes, that leaves maybe 95% of the movie... and even if the plot wasn't as shocking as the writer might have thought, there's a hell of a lot to relish, I think, in stuff like the performances and the cinematography. Is it pretentious to appreciate that the photography was so washed-out and blue-grey? I took a lot of pleasure from that steely atmosphere. I felt Bale was mesmerising, and his physical change was of course only part of that: being skinny isn't enough to captivate a cinema viewer. There were, I think, subtle points to enjoy with hindsight -- the feeling nudging at me during the film that in his scenes with Maria, Reznik was still wasted but was charming, witty, confident in a way he never managed in the rest of his life -- that these scenes were too good to be true.

And as has been noted, you can get a lot of satisfaction from recognising repeats and variations in key iconography. No, it's not hard to lampoon someone for admiring film iconography as if they're some black polo-necked poser: but isn't that one of the main things people are always singling out to admire and praise in Watchmen, and saying it'd be so hard to do in cinema? I really liked the various stick-men tucked into the mise-en-scene (I'm sure mise-en-scene is a pretentious term too, so sue me) -- the shifts from fairground carousel-tower to airport tower, and the mini-realisation that Reznik must have cast Maria as a diner-worker at the airport because of that visual similarity.

I also liked the music, which I felt was a pastiche/tribute to Hermann on Hitchcock movies. And finally, in a lot of places this film gave me tense chills like playing the nightmare levels of Max Payne in an empty house.

So... I don't know, maybe there's a thin line between loving cinema and using the vocabulary that's suited to cinema, and sounding like a Rive Gauche ponce. But even if you think the plot twist is hoary, I think the film offers a lot to chew on.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:30 / 26.03.05
Late afternoon-ish Easter Sun or Mon would be good, if anyone else is available. ( I think it's on in Camden at about half Six, but anywhere in the centre of town'd work also... )
 
 
Whisky Priestess
15:40 / 26.03.05
I could do SUn/Mon in Camden or Islington. Nina?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:52 / 28.03.05
I leaned over to the person I went to see the film with as the film started and said "A 'Universal Classic' already? That's a bit presumptious isn't it?" How right I was.

I'm pretty much ready to demand that Bambling stops bring up Chris Nolan films or Fight Club in this thread because The Machinist is so bloody awful it doesn't deserve to be connected in any way with them, not even in a sentence which ran 'The Machinist is no Chris Nolan film or Fight Club', and I speak as someone who didn't think Insomnia was that good.

SPOILER!


I think it needs minimal re-editing and then can be rereleased, a la Showgirls, as a comedy. The bit where he has the Hangman game _ I L L E R and he breathes "Miller!" had the cinema I saw it in in hysterics of disbelief and I'm not usually one who has to wait for a mystery movie to catch up with me and give explanations to stuff I worked out ages ago.

The thing is, Christian Bale starved himself so that every time he strips he looks like the grumpier brother of the creature from the Aphex Twin 'Come to Daddy' video yet, as far as I'm aware, he hasn't been dressing up as a creature of the night and fighting crime to prepare for his next movie, which was trailed before The Machinist and looks much more interesting.
 
  

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