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Regrettable Juvenilia
13:01 / 24.02.05
Run The Road is arguably the first widely-available CD compilation of the music that some call ‘eski’, others call ‘grime’. This sound has connections with jungle and UK garage, but some have argued that what grime really represents is UK hip hop truly finding its own voice for the first time, and on the basis of this album I’m inclined to agree with them. Sure, there’s been some half-decent UK rap before, but the difference between most of that music and grime is like the difference between hip hop made by someone from the Deep South but with a standard New York (Primo style) beat, and hip hop that has that Dirty South sound.

Almost all of the artists featured are getting their first taste of exposure outside the ‘scene’ via this album (the exceptions being Dizzee, Wiley, and arguably Shystie, although the press have now started to pick up on Kano and Lady Sovereign too). Almost all of the tracks featured sound jaw-droppingly fresh and exciting and, y’know, I don’t want to be too much of a neophile here, but it does sound like something new to me. Hearing ‘Cock Back’ or ‘Destruction VIP’ for the first time was a lot like hearing ‘Bring The Noise’ or ‘Protect Ya Neck’ for the first time, for me. Other highlights include two very different tracks by female MCs: Lady Sovereign’s playful, witty ‘Ch-Ching’, and ‘Unorthodox Daughter’ by No Lay, which is just terrifyingly relentless and aggressive (“spit a couple of bars, put you in BUPA”). It’s not all threats and breakneck beats, though – Roll Deep’s ‘Let It Out’ is almost as chilled and smooth as Blue Lines era Massive Attack, while Tinchy Stryder’s ‘Move’ is heavy on the guitars.

Anyway… I cannot stress the brilliance of this compilation enough. If you’re a music lover, especially one who’s ever liked hip hop, dancehall, or any kind of dance music, you owe it to yourself to check it out.

In summary:

Think you're a big boy 'cos you've got a beard,
Bullets will make your face look weird.
 
 
Seth
21:01 / 24.02.05
I've just downloaded this based on your recommendation, so I'll get a chance to listen to it after I've moved house. Very much looking forward to it, it sounds exactly what I need right now.

Constantly knocked sideways by the amount of sheer fucking amazing quality music that gets released... the pace of it all seems to be increasing. I must have well over one hundred CDs that came out in the last eighteen months.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:31 / 25.02.05
Grime does appear to have the energy and invention of golden-era US hip hop - unlike a lot of British hip hop that often seems like a weaker variant of it's Am,erican cousin. Phrased that really badly. What I mean is, it feels like a genuine 'new' sound that builds on specifically British musical styles, but the creativity at work is reminiscent of hip-hop's restless inventiveness.

Will check this out.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:00 / 25.02.05
I picked it up yesterday and have only had a couple of quick listens so far when I came in last night and again this morning before I went to work. There's some brilliant tracks on it. I gave it a quick go on the listening posts before I bought it and ended up hearing a sample from every track, cos they all hooked me as soon as they came on. Too soon for me to talk about any of the tracks in detail, but it does have a freshness, vibrancy and confidence that isn't derivative of its influences.

It sounds as if all of the elements that have fed into making it what it is, such as d&b, UK garage, US hip hop, dancehall, etc.. have over the last couple of years managed to alchemically coalesce to make something new, uniqely British and uniquely London. The comp seems to soar with the awareness that it's presenting something brilliant and fully formed to the world.
 
 
illmatic
13:35 / 26.02.05
I'm so getting this, having had it previewed to me in the pub by Fly, which degenerated into a drunken singalongagrime. Having said that all the kids at the college I teach in are into it, so I will feel a bit "trendy dad". You'll be pleased to know if I do try and talk to them about anything fashionable like that, they all look at me like I'm a wanker.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:52 / 26.02.05
Well I know some of the stuff on the album, but I'd hardly pretend to be an expert on Grime. Trouble is, it's all net-searching down here in the Bright Town. The music shops don't have a clue - not unless you buy vinyl.

Typical Brighton; I've tried introducing hip-hopping friends to Grime, but to very little avail. Why are people so fucking conservative? AaarnnnuUrGhArgh!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:16 / 26.02.05
Can I just clarify that I did play some of the album to Illmatic on a discman, rather than just singing it myself...

Pappuce, I understand your frustration - but do these people like, say, crunk and the odder Neptunes productions? Or do they just like funky old skool breaks and phat beats? I think it's as easy to be a conservative hip hop fan these days as a conservative fan of any other kind of music, sadly...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:14 / 01.03.05
I'd agree on the 'potential conservativism of hip-hop culture' thing.

But I have to say that this is a happy thought:

rather than just singing it myself...

Karakoke Grime-Boy-Zen, coming to a Sam Smiths' near you....

I have bday cash, and I'm buying this ASAP.

on and more happiness c/o 679 recordings and the RtR site
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:54 / 01.03.05
This sound has connections with jungle and UK garage, but some have argued that what grime really represents is UK hip hop truly finding its own voice for the first time

Hmm, I dunno.

Haven't heard as much grime stuff as you, I'm sure, but to me it sounds like UK hip-hop-derived and breakbeat-derived music finally colliding and mixing, something that has happened only sporadically/uneasily in the past.

< Wire Journo > grime=hip-hop and breakbeat stop circling around/dissing each other, get into bed and make beautiful music....


And admittedly, there's a wide variety, I can think of things which are much more hip-hop than breakbeat, but also vice versa.

For me what's really exciting is hearing British music that reflects a British experience, with roots/a mix of antecdents from British, US, the Carribbean and further afield....
 
 
Haus of Mystery
17:38 / 01.03.05
Lordy...does it always have to be defined against the so called 'conservatism' of hip-hop? Believe it or not the Neptunes don't represent the pinnacle of forward thinking hip-hop production, and some people still enjoy the old boom-bap as well as the more digital sound of contemporary R'n'B. It gets tiring hearing about how people who like hip-hop are deaf to the wonders of grime... can't you just sy why it's good, what in particular you enjoy about it without proving your hipper-than-thou credentials?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:09 / 02.03.05
I never said anything about the conservativism of hip hop, just some its fans - it was a humorous reference to Pappuce's old complaint about the Tru Thoughts that you think when you have Knowledge of Self. And I hope I've gone some way in saying what I like about the music in the first thread - happy to do more.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:22 / 02.03.05
Sure, sure.. just sounding off a bit. Who in particular stands out on the comp? Who handles production? Is it a RZA style mastermind, or many different people?
 
 
Spaniel
09:29 / 02.03.05
Tru Thoughts that you think when you have Knowledge of Self

That was my gag! I said that! It was me!

Christ, people even get us mixed up online.
Will I ever establish an identity all of my own?

I've been trying to download this album for days. Perhaps I should just go and buy it.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:39 / 02.03.05
No! That would be a terrible thing to do.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:50 / 02.03.05
Many different producers. Grime seems a bit more open to the producer being the primary named artist and the vocalist’s name coming after ‘featuring’ or ‘and’ – something that only happens in hip hop if it’s an underground record or the producer is a superstar. So for example ‘Cock Back’ is by Terror Damaja featuring Hyper, Bruza, D Double E and Riko, and ‘Destruction VIP’ is by Jammer featuring Wiley, D Double E, Kano and, er, maybe someone else, I can’t keep ‘em all straight in my head. ‘Chosen One’ is by Riko and Target, where Riko is the MC and Target is the producer. All of those tracks are highlights - I found ‘Chosen One’ to be a bit of a grower, but the other two are very immediate – the word that springs to mind again and again is energy. Some of this energy is expressed in the form of aggression (brilliantly, if you ask me – you’d have to be churlish not to smile at “don’t get me mad and let me start the action cos I’ll change your boat like Michael Jackson”), but musically at least, a lot of it is dance music on some level (for those who only like the aggression-free variety, I imagine the Lady Sovereign track will appeal). I’m not sure how to explain this, but (I think) it’s dance music on a more fundamental level than just the extent that a good club banger of a hip hop track is dance music. I think. Maybe. Take that with a grain of salt.
 
 
_Boboss
10:11 / 02.03.05
i got this yesterday based upon the exciting noises in this thread, and the little (first six or so tracksss) i've heard...am having trouble finding space in the cd player for it given the missus' acquisition of a new sage francis album (which itself has some serious handsinnaire moments) but... some records just start and you know within seconds that it's the best thing you've heard in billions. the opening thirty seconds of track 1 are worth 12.99 alone: fresh, energy, all those words they have on standby at nme towers for when they need a new way to say 'THIS FUCKING ROCKS'.

so cheers - typical flybs
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:43 / 02.03.05
Grime seems to have a similar irresistable dance factor in a similar way to dancehall and ragga in my experience, and this is perhaps where it really starts to deviate from hip-hop (aforementioned club bangers aside). The two-step style percussion tends to make for pretty furious dnacefloor activity. At 'Sabbath' (now named 'Mammoth'), the night I co-run down here in conservative Brighton grime, when played, has had an exceptional response. It has a hynotic appeal similar, as I said, to dancehall stuff (please excuse any bad usage of genre terms - I'm sure I'm trampling on someone's shit here..) and rumps are shaken. Or it has that effect on me anyway.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:33 / 02.03.05
Yeah, I'd agree with that. Personally, at least, it has a 'body moving' quality to the music that I associate wtih dancehall, soca, and some jungle.

Oh and < Good Housekeeping >

My copy only cost me £8.25. But I don't have it yet. Swings and roundabouts.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:43 / 09.03.05
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Or rather, my copy has arrived and I'm ilstening to it *right now*.

I'll be back when I've had thoughts beyond:

It's fucking amazing.

(oh and on a couple of listens, I'd totally agree with Gypsy's point about this being the sound of people who simply *know* that they're doing something new and powerful and fucking great. It's not puffed-up, it's confident)


Oh, and forgotten just how great (see my critical vocabulary collapse in the of really good stuff) 'Cock Back' is.

'Unrothodox Daughter' and 'No Wish' are also initial favourites.

More later (and this is one of those moments where I'm really glad that a) barbelith and this thread exists, coz I'm going to want to talk about this alot and b)Fly is around to start these things. )
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:52 / 09.03.05
Oh, and is it just me, or does this hour-long comp *flash* by?

Tracks like Unorthodox Daughter and Cock Back have the 'bombing up a motorway, 100mph at 3am/endless roadights meeergggiing' feeling that I *really* associate with the shock of hearing things like DJ Pierre, but more closely like my first listens to stuff like 'Terminator' and alot of jungle.
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
01:16 / 10.03.05
Bah...this is still only available on import in the US, and nowhere seems to be able to keep vinyl copies on the shelves. 'Chosen One' was one of the best records I bought last year, so I have high hopes for the rest this comp. Good to see that it's going down well with the 'lith.
 
 
skellybones
09:22 / 15.03.05
Loving this at the moment.
It's definitely the sheer confidence shining through in every tune that makes it so exciting – the whole vibe of 'we know we're doing something special, if you don't like it then fuck off'.
Excellent listening for overcoming early morning tube lethargy, 'Cock Back' and 'Give U More' in particular.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:35 / 15.03.05
Just got this this morning after reading this thread, and agree its vibrant / full of energy / exciting...BUT...and it doesn't matter fuck all from a purely consumer point of view, if you like it you like it...BUT, from an industry point of view as to this having international potential, or in any way finding significant support across the pond (the above post notwithstanding) it won't (yet) for one simple reason - it takes absolutely no skill to make these tunes. Sure, the MC's have good ability, but grime as a scene, as it stands, is so basic in the production stakes (which is its charm) that it won't travel. My two cents.

Still vibey though. Those angry young men (and women).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:56 / 15.03.05
it takes absolutely no skill to make these tunes

I look forward to hearing some hot beats produced by yourself, then. By the way, how are we defining "skill" here?
 
 
_Boboss
13:13 / 15.03.05
i dunno, i don't think US hiphop fans sit there and count how many tracks the producer managed to work into the mix before deciding to like something or not. (though true, saying 'less is more' is likely to draw a few blank looks in atlanta these days.) if they don't 'get' grime i think it's likely to be a lack of willingness to engage with non-US accents or skittery drones and defiantly non-2:2 beats... fuck em, their loss.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:01 / 15.03.05
Even if you take "basic" to mean "minimalist", I really don't see why anyone would expect the people who made 'Drop It Like It Hot' a hit to have a problem with that...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:33 / 15.03.05
Sorry, didn't make it too clear...I don't even necessarily mean US hip-hop fans, who may well dig it, if they are keen enough to seek out imports (Dizzee is an electronica act on the college circuit stateside...not a hip-hop artist per se...marketing eh?)...Just the industry bods who have to embrace this kind of thing to give it legs (not saying the bods aren't fans too, but they have to make commercial decisions blah blah weaselcheese)

Fly, do you make music? I won't rattle my credentials here, but trust me, there is (ok, concession) very little skill involved in laying down those backing tracks. Enthusiasm and a copy of Reason would yield results from a total beginner with no musical training whatsoever in about half a day, no worries.

I ain't dissing it. I like the comp. Just a side-angle about what the hindustry at laaaarrge will be all about for the forseeable future, in my opinion.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
18:46 / 15.03.05
Even if you take "basic" to mean "minimalist", I really don't see why anyone would expect the people who made 'Drop It Like It Hot' a hit to have a problem with that...

Really? I would have thought it glaringly obvious, particularly to one as ordinarily erudite about these things as yourself. (like, two of the biggest, most demonstrably bankable multi-million platinum selling artists of the US hip hop scene being in collaboration, one with a career spanning over a decade, the other the most succesful producer since Quincy Jones and somewhat sweet on the eye to boot, along with a multi-million dollar video as part of the package and par for the course, rolled out to every territory in the world as pure profit because its already more than recouped in its home release stable...and I doubt Pharrell would ever have got to that stage, and be able to take those sorts of risks as a producer, without first demonstrating a solid, skilled grasp of record production which shifts units far in excess of 2000 white labels to a hard core of London based scenesters. See, if you or I walked into a UK major with 'Drop It Like Its Hot' way before Pharrell got there, with an unknown artist, and no deal, we'd be laughed out the front door. Believe me or don't. Believe what you will.)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:16 / 15.03.05
So why did Fly Or Die bomb, then?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
22:10 / 15.03.05
Hmm, I reckon we're talking about grime. I voiced my opinion regarding its wider appeal and trans-atlantic potential in its present form. You drew what I consider to be a specious analogy with a wildly inappropriate record, a blockbuster high profile collaborabadgeration yadda yadda stoatbiscuit. You also, somewhat laughably I feel given your profile and track record in this particular forum, attempted to suggest that it was inappropriate for me to criticize an artistic endeavour, specifically the skill involved in its execution, unless I was not only capable of the broad endeavour in question, but actually adept at the specific micro-discipline under analysis, in this case, as I believe you phrased it, (from my admittedly shaky memory) 'wicked beats'.

So as not to rot this admirable appreciation thread any further, if you want to digress into this sort of territory, by all means start a new thread questioning the influence of media-hype, the involved artiste(s) discography and critical / commercial track record, marketing package and territory-specific marketing factors and the subjectively ascertained 'quality' of a given production/song over its subsequent international success, and I will dive right in. Or even, to ye hedde shoppe forthwith and anon, a thread about the validity and authority of criticism from (assumed or otherwise) outside the field of discipline of that being criticised. I will add my feckless musings.

Otherwise, I gracefully bow out to stick 'Cock Back' and 'Unorthodox Daughter' right up to 11 and bounce myself to the brink of A&E. Big up. Seriously, since I owe my awareness of this compilation to this thread and your good self, for which I am righteously grateful.

PS Wasn't Fly or Die the (second) vanity project of a hitmaker who "seems convinced that merely mentioning the fact his record collection contains Steely Dan, Chick Corea, Stereolab, and EPMD coupled to his role as producer of tracks for the likes of Britney Spears and Philly's Most Wanted makes him a pop prodigy crossover messiah." and certainly needn't give two farts how his hobby ego-stroke performs commercially ? Remind me.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:01 / 16.03.05
I don't know who you're quoting there, but I certainly don't want to get into a discussion about what can or can't be a hit in America either - don't really know why you brought it up, but I shouldn't have got involved.

I just don't really understand why one would say "this sounds great, but it doesn't involve any skill" - the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Eating with your, er, ears. Technical know-how is not sufficient to make music like this, and nor is supposed musical proficiency in the traditional sense. I couldn't make music like this, and so to me it is quite clear that it was made by people with skills that I lack.
 
 
Spaniel
10:08 / 16.03.05
I'm very suspicious of this "anyone can do it" malarky. That's exactly the same kind of crap I had to listen to 16 years ago when I first got into techno. The fact is, a lot of the best techno tunes aren't technically remarkable, but they stand out as fantabulous nonetheless.

You can keep things simple and be clever. You can keep things simple and be interesting. You can keep thngs simple and produce a dancefloor stormer. And you can definitely keep things simple and create something that beats the shit out of the most tricksy, complex tune out there.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:17 / 16.03.05
Come now Shaftoe, surely you believe you have more skill than, say, Muse, Kasabian, Jamie Cullum...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
16:54 / 16.03.05
I'm very suspicious of this "anyone can do it" malarky

(Hope this isn't rot, please let me know if I'm derailing this)

But, hang on a minute - isn't grime really just the most modern, ultra-British incarnation of that beast known as punk? I mean, surely the very foundations of this scene are its DIY, anyone-can-do-it come one come all inclusiveness?

It's all about passion and enthusiasm, as was punk - if you can pick up a guitar / bang the drums / get a cracked copy of Fruity Loops you CAN do it. Fuck Rick Wakeman...

Also, not so sure the techno analogy holds. I appreciate what you are saying about armchair criticism, but in my opinion people, yea even people in this very forum, are far more prone to bitch about really popular tunes in that way, as in "Christ, have you heard the top ten? Have you heard whats number one? Shit, I could do better than that...". Now, THAT is patently not the case at all. Otherwise there wouldn't BE a top ten, just hundreds of number ones.

Techno, especially 16 years ago, is a vastly different bag. The skills and financial investment required to set up even a modest rig with authentic potential was waaaay more than a £300 PC and access to LimeWire to get hold of ACID / FL / Reason / Cunase whatever. The need for a mixing console, however modest, and required learning curve, the need for a tape machine and sync, the multitude of synchronisation nightmares (CV/Gate and MIDI hath no love lost, remember? Kenton interface=£400!!). Learning a hardware sequencer, programming synths and samplers...cabling!! Shit, looms don't come cheap, and you need space to put the bastard stuff somewhere. FX, outboard, all of these things were and are KerChing'sVille. Now, of course, the above named appz come bundled with the whole nine-yards, all Out Da Box. Tcha, kids these days, eh? They just don't know how easy they've got it.

Not only that, but techno completely eschewed traditional song structures, requiring what had up until then been the sole preserve of avant garde modern composition...textures, layers, progression, breakdown etc., it was all pretty new at the time, and at least a passing interest in funk was essential if the whole thing was going to groove right. The people complaining it was repetitive / simplistic / stupid completely missed the depth that was, undoubtedly, there - and are now probably the same anal elitist weasels harping on about their Derrick May limited editions and how Kathy Brown has ruined Strings of Life.

Grime, on the other hand, is fairly convential ABCB verse/chorus/bridge stuff, and can be produced with a half decent PC and nothing else. It doesn't, by any stretch, involve layers and textures, its pretty one dimensional as far as instrumentation goes.

I'm not saying that's crap, rubbish or without value or anything of the sort. I like the damn compilation! But, to rally the point, it's punk by any other name, and as such, I really reckon anyone (who loves it, buys the records, tunes into the stations and knows the MC's) can do it. As the scene matures, no doubt the production will mature with it, and who knows, maybe it'll disappear up its coffee-table arse in a jazz obsession stylee, a la drum'n'bass for a good period of its early childhood. At the moment its raw and urgent and exciting, and hurray for that.

But it won't sell outside London. ;-)
 
 
Spaniel
09:49 / 17.03.05
I can see what you're saying about the production up to a point. Perhaps anyone could cut a Grime track, but some will cut better Grime tracks than others. As I said earlier, simplisity isn't necessarily a barrier to creating good music.

I can't help but feel that Grime would sound pretty exotic to American ears. The beat structures, samples employed, rhyme styles and accents are peculiarly British.

Christ, I'm from Brighton and I find it curious and intriguing. What foreigners make of it I have no idea.
Perhaps the Americans aren't buying it (at the moment) because it sounds so alien? So different?
 
  

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