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The Brassiere

 
  

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Lilly Nowhere Late
18:36 / 22.03.05
Yes, I did wonder that. It's all right I suppose though men wearing lingerie still can't completely empathise with women's issues over said undergarments. It is empathy I want when try ing to get my breasts under control. Not disdainful sideways looks of irritation. But fair enough, that could come from either gender. I'm still thinking the best thing is a fitting with a really polite older woman in an upscale department store.
What about all the kinky lingerie which doesn't even come in proper sizes? I realize it doesn't stay on that long normally but if say you're off to Torture Garden...I think I just answered my own question, nevermind...
 
 
mondo a-go-go
16:49 / 23.03.05
I don't care about buying my underwear from men. It's not really any different to paying for my tampons and deodorant and make-up at a till with a man at it, is it?
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
20:11 / 23.03.05
Well Anna, I hope that neither men nor women are helping you get the right fit in tampons!
I read today of a company that will custom make bras and knickers, but have left the info at the salon. I will post it as soon as...
Apparently, it doesn't even cost the earth!
 
 
Waltzing Ganainm
20:37 / 23.03.05
There is a certain sense of warmth and security that comes with a motherly older lady fitting you for a bra in M&S, especially when you end up with something that feels comfy to wear. Though I did get the bitch-from-hell reading the riot act when I left buying a proper maternity bra until I was about 18 weeks into my last pregnancy. "You DO know that underwires can restrict the milk ducts?" Talk about being made to feel like a naughty child.

Currently bras are necessary evil while I'm restricted to the woeful choice of nursing styles available from Mothercare and M&S, and even more so when you're looking for a 36E. I was rather alarmed to discover that I'm now into the sorts of styles I remember seeing my Grandmother wearing. Even the pictures on the boxes don't relate to the reality of the larger cup size - no pretty cutout sections as shown, that's a valuable reinforcement area going to waste, and why do you need cute underwear anyway when your body's been stretched to Dover and back; only your baby looks at your breasts now and that's for their culinary value.

Give me a corset any day. I want underwiring that starts at my hips and goes upwards.
 
 
ibis the being
21:24 / 23.03.05
I read today of a company that will custom make bras and knickers

Hey, it's about time! They make custom fit condoms, why not brassieres? I would gladly subject myself to some goopy silicone moldmaking process if it meant having the Perfect Bra... sigh....
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:26 / 24.03.05
I'm not exactly sure why you need custom knickers though- I suppose if you want everything to match than it might be a good idea but I've never really cared about that. I find that women who think that matching on a date is necessary are seriously deluded about men... or they're dating people who really need to go home to mother and frankly who thinks about matching underwear for any other reason?

Perhaps I just don't have an underwear fetish... I don't know how you could when nothing fits anyway.
 
 
Katherine
13:23 / 24.03.05
Well, if I have gone to the effort for getting a bra made for myself then matching knickers wouldn't be that much different. I have to admit to liking matching sets but that could just be me.

And it would be nice to have something which is guarenteed to fit perfectly.

Do you have a weblink for them?
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
06:58 / 25.03.05
Fucking hell, I'm trying to find the article I read and will post the info sometime before all our breasts are too far gone to make good use I promise!
As for matching sets, I think that is something one does all for oneself, nevermind the man/woman/lover in question. It just feels nice to be cooridinated underneath it all plus I get a sick satisfaction when my underwear drawers look neat and tidy. Achieving an organized wardrobe(i only bother with the undergarment part) and having on coordinated nether clothes on the same day makes me feel somehow less scattered and hectic than my reality actually is.
Now, I'm off to find that vital info. Be right back....
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:17 / 25.03.05
I confess I get absolutely no satisfaction from knowing that my underwear is coordinated. In fact I tend to forget what I'm wearing under my clothes within 2 seconds of putting it on.
 
 
ibis the being
12:03 / 25.03.05
I am a little weird about matching my clothes, underthings included, but that never, never means a set. Just that I probably wouldn't wear my thick black bra with my little lacy light blue bottom - or my satin undies with a lace bra. I also can't wear light colored pants with a light colored shirt, but I'm a bit crazy.

My latest bra woe is that I've slimmed down ever so slightly as a result of having more painting work... and it's showing mainly at my waist (hooray) and boobs (waaah). So now one of my too-small bras is fitting nicely, and I'm clinging to it like a life raft until, probably, I get my next wave of bloatorific PMS.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
05:38 / 26.03.05
Well Ibis, you bring us into another important consideration. Bust size is not consistent. I woke just this morning to that swollen painful pre-mens experience of temporarily expanded breasts. I suppose organized women with plenty of spare money and free time would do the smart thing and have bra fittings to accomodate this. I'm not one of them but I do have bras which only work at this time, and even knickers I reserve for the curse. Appearance has nothing to do with it now, only consideration for my comfort.
Pregnancy as mentioned above also requires different breast gear. BTW, the place I wrote of before, Rosa's on Church Street in London, N16 is famous for good maternity/nursing bras.
And the penultimate, loosing weight. Most people say that boobs are the first thing to go. Not so for me and my oversize chest but yes, does weightloss require/warrant new foundation undergarments? I suppose that's up to the user. Would we all be freer if we just didn't bother with bras? I for one couldn't stand it. But imagine you woke one day to find that bras had never been invented and you had none. What would you do?
(ps, found the article but forgot to bring it home to transfer the info, will do today I promise)
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:23 / 28.03.05
But imagine you woke one day to find that bras had never been invented and you had none.

Welcome to my world.
 
 
Liger Null
12:33 / 01.04.05
Being rather curvalicious myself, I buy my bras at Lane Bryant (the stylish fat girl store.) They have some cute stuff there, plus there's a certain bent appeal of going through racks and racks of clothes that are too big for me.

I am a sick, sick person.
 
 
Katherine
12:51 / 01.04.05
It's understandable though.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
05:46 / 04.05.05
Ok, I know I said I'd post this about a zillion weeks ago and then the zillion weeks went by empty posted but here it is. So Shei(020 7079 1889) makes made to measure bras from £30-35 in silk, satin, lace or microfibre but you have to sign up for 6 bras per year. They do up to size GG and have matching knickers.
According to the article, Chantelle(www.figleaves.com and Triumph(01793 720 232) also do strange size bras in good styles.
Btw, I have nothing to do with supporting these companies, but every desire for good looking support.
There you go!
 
 
ibis the being
20:47 / 29.08.06
Update: I have at last found my correct size. This is a life changing discovery and has changed my whole attitude toward the brassiere. The key was in learning that when the band rides up this means it's too BIG. Wow. It's a happy day.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:48 / 29.08.06
So come on! What size are you? Was Mr Ibis correct in his breastual assesment?
 
 
ibis the being
22:33 / 29.08.06
No, Mr Ibis was wrong, he said 34C which was what I was wearing. My new correctly fitting bra is 32D which I had to mail order after combing a few stores for one. Incidentally, a few weeks ago I went into Victoria's Secret specifically to get a bra fitting and the salesgirl told me I was a 36B!! I even tried on 36B to humor her but she was so wrong.
 
 
gingerbop
00:08 / 30.08.06
Bravissimo are great for D+ bras.
 
 
feline
12:08 / 31.08.06
and just when you work out that you're a 36D you change countries, and find out you're a '14' instead. What I want to know is, how come I wear size 14 bra and knickers but size 10 tops and jeans? How does that tardis effect happen?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:49 / 31.08.06
I still am looking for that mythical magical comfy bra, but at least I finally got properly measured so that way I know what size I am when I finally find this bra.

I sort of want one of those bras women wore in the 30s and 40s when you made your breasts look like pointy cones. I dunno why, though.
 
 
gingerbop
21:28 / 05.09.06
You know, I once went to get measured wearing a 32B. The woman fitted me into a 30F. She was completely wrong. She'd been working for House of Fraser about 30 years, and she still got it remarkably wrong. It made me lose faith slightly in the "go and get measured; then everything will be perky" mentality.
 
 
mkt
09:01 / 07.09.06
Kali

(Ignore this if you're not in the UK - your profile wasn't much of a clue!) M&S make some fantastically pointy bras. They don't advertise them as such (and I'm pretty sure it's unintentional), but if you have a root through their underwired plunge selection I can guarantee that you'll find something that gives you that retro silhouette. Fabulous.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
21:17 / 09.09.06
Not in the UK but coming to the UK soon. Will definitely go to Marks & Sparks to get that retro silhouette when I'm there.

Sweet!
 
 
Elettaria
16:18 / 17.09.06
Necessary good: I get backache without them, they're comfortable and they give me a lovely shape. That's before we get to the wonders of being able to control people by your cleavage.

I'm not mad on Marks & Sparks bras, they don't seem to be decent quality and start stretching fairly fast. Get yourself measured somewhere reputable (I can recommend a few in Edinburgh; avoid Jenners, they're known for putting everyone into a back size too small), find a bra that fits even if it's really pricey, then find it cheaper online. eBay is great, also places like Brastop. Unless you're something horrific like a 32K (the sister of my aromatherapist, who is herself a 32JJ. Funnily-shaped ribcage, she says), you should be able to find something sooner or later.

I've discovered that Panache bras come in my size (32DD, fairly rare in the shops), fit me beautifully, are generally reliable in terms of being the same fit from one bra to the next (mostly, ask before you buy), do loads of balconette bras which means I can wear low-cut tops and flash cleavage around, have sensible straps which aren't too wide or fussy to wear with strappy tops, are really really pretty, and while the RRP is usually between £20 and £30, I can usually get them for a tenner. I'm developing a terrible bra habit, especially now my hormones and weight are on the blink and I've had to stock up on a 32E for when I'm premenstrual, though only the one so far. Thankfully I'm a plain-cotton-knickers-from-M&S gal, so I save money there.

If you're between sizes on the back, the Elle MacPherson "Intimates" range runs on half-sizes only, to my great frustration since I'm definitely a 32 and their bras are gorgeous but don't fit me.

Does anyone else find that so-called "nude" or "flesh-coloured" underwear is nothing of the sort on them, and is either several shades too dark or a nasty dead colour?
 
 
ibis the being
22:05 / 17.09.06
I thought DD was the same as E??

Nude is usually an awful color and doesn't match my pale skin, but it's hard to find something that works under white (white does not). Usually I go for a pale pink which is not ideal but is serviceable.
 
 
Elettaria
13:02 / 18.09.06
In UK sizing, E is the next up from DD, unless you're French, in which case E means British DD. Passionata uses French sizing, I think. Then you just get the brands which run a little large or small throughout. I believe that DD is the same in the US but that it starts getting different after that. There are charts around somewhere.

I'm pale as well, hence the fussing. Gauzey bras work the best, I've found, as your skin shows through and helps the bra tone in. I'm doing fairly well with the Panache Tango II, which isn't quite as low-cut as the others but will generally do, has good clean lines and narrow, plain straps, and provides fantastic uplift. (Two links there with lots of pictures, though cheaper on eBay.) I have the white and the nude in my usual size, the pink a cup size larger. The white is thin enough that it generally works under white clothing. The pale pink is fairly close as pinks go and fine with darker clothes, but I've just tried it on under a white broderie top and it showed a little. The nude is a bit dark and a bit beige compared to my skin, but works OK under clothes, and if I take my glasses off (borderline severe myopia, about -6) I can't see it on me in the mirror. The Henna bra (which is really beautiful but difficult to find by now) has better straps which practically vanish on me, a pinkier shade and less solid-looking, but there are a few dark bits on the embroidery and I sometimes find the uneven edges along the top of the cups stick out, mainly the reddish-edged flower petals.

I've a feeling you're in the US, am I right? I only know the UK suppliers, I'm afraid. I've found that once you know your size and preferably a brand that works for you, it works out cheaper to do mail order, because the prices are so much lower (sometimes a third of RRP) that it still works out cheaper even if you have to send a few back. You really need to know how to spot a well-fitting bra to do this, however. I went all round Edinburgh trying to find a low-cut strapless bra for a dress last summer, so by the time they'd all fitted me I'd picked up the things to look for.
 
  

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