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Writing an occult book

 
  

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Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:11 / 17.01.05
You just made that up, didn't you?

Regrettably, no.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
11:24 / 17.01.05
D'you mean this?
 
 
illmatic
12:33 / 17.01.05
That's the fella.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:45 / 17.01.05
Writing is a magical act, but getting a book published can be very hard work.

Even if one's got a killer manuscript, it's often difficult to get a large publisher interested. Look at Pete Carroll for instance. Liber Null went through five small-press editions prior to Weiser's picking it up, and they took two years to get around to releasing it. Both Liber Kaos and Psybermagick came out in small press editions before larger publishers picked them up.

If you've ever wondered just why there are so many wiccan/new age books around compared to yer hard-core occulty stuff, it's because the wiccan/new age stuff sells - and that's what counts in mainstream publishing these days, for the most part. The big publishers these days tend to make marketing decisions about what sort of books they want to produce, and then go and look for an author who might be suitable to fulfill the brief - or rather, they'll approach an agent who's got a number of authors on his/her books who might be suitable for the book they've got in mind. Its not unknown for publishers to 'fire' authors from a project and draft in a new bunch if they think what they've submitted isn't up to scratch. I know of one publisher that went through four different authors on a project before they got what they wanted.
Publishers are less likely to take risks by publishing unknown authors. At the very least, they're going to want to see some kind of 'track record' - so having a long list of magazine publications, and maybe some self-published books which have sold well is always helpful for new authors. And having an agent is useful too, particularly if you're trying to get a deal with one of the bigger publishers.

Weiser's Submission Guidlines

Having said all that, there are always small publishers - Immanion Press for example who are looking for new authors. Capall Bann are a speciality press run by occultists - no advances, but they do pay royalties on a regular basis (so I'm told) and they've got a fairly wide distributor base, at least in the UK.

The other option is self-publishing, which is getting easier all the time thanks to "print on demand" technologies. Of course, in this scenario, you have to figure the distribution angle yourself, but this can be done over the web or through local bookshops. Here, it helps a lot if one is prepared to go on the lecture circuit to promote one's works, and of course, having some collateral to pay initial costs. But with self-publishing, at least one has 100% control over the look 'n' feel of a book, which you won't necessarily get with a publisher, as they like to keep production costs down, particularly if you're an unknown quantity to them.

There's a Yahoo e-group PaleoNova which is a kind of mutual assistance forum for magical creative-types, founded by Jim Garrison, former product manager at Llewellyn's - but don't let that put you off, he's a nice guy.

Fiona Horne's "Witch: A Hip Guide to Modern Witchcraft" by all accounts had an initial run of 60,000 units from Thorsons - but of course they are part of the HarperCollins Group, and won't even consider an unsolicited ms - everything they publish either comes from literary agents or manuscript assessment agencies.

Probably the best way forwards would be to make a shortlist of various publishers you like the look of, and then find out what their policy on submissions is.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:27 / 17.01.05
And, while doing that, it might be worth setting up a website to push some of the ideas and get people interested. The website-to-book deal path is becoming increasingly well-trod...

X: OK, here's the problem:

Do you practise Magick Haus? If not then maybe the way it's written and the angle it comes from/words like cybernaut/cybercraft are just a couple of the reasons why you dislike it so much. I suppose it all depends on what your into. I'm not saying that manual is groundbreaking in anyway, just that it looks at things from a different viewpoint than quite a lot of the other styles of Magick, putting a more futuristic bent on things. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I can see how the style of it could annoy/not be to some peoples liking.

I was looking at the idea of that screed being a great place to start either for a magical philosophy or an aspirant writer of books.

I'm not sure whether or not I practice magic (I can say with confidence that I do not practice magick) should dispose me towards or against words like "cybernaut". If used approximately correctly, why should that be a problem? My objection is to the style and content of the writing and the thoughts behind it. Let's take a look at the passage I quoted, eh?

Up to this point in human history WoMankind has taken itself to the brink of doom and returned with most of our parts intact.
That is our physical members are somewhat healthy. But our minds, our psyches have suffered. And we are racing toward the time of mutation. Some of humanities minds are mutating already. These minds and the resulting bodies will offer us a map into our future.


Now, what do we take from that? First, that WoMankind (possibly "humanity", but leave it aside) has gone to the brink of doom and returned with most of its parts intact. what does this mean? Is this a reference to World War II? Gary Powers? The Cuban Missile Crisis? In what sense exactly is humankind not on the brink of doom now?

And where is the proof? Where is the evidence? where, even, is the _argument_? We are told that humanity is physically healthy, which might come as a shock to the members of humanity not living in comfy warm basement apartments, but never mind. We are told that humanity is psychically damaged. We are told that humanity is mutating, and that this mutation has already occured in some case. Do we get any sort of coherence here? Do we bollocks. What we get is a lenghty lift from Robert Anton Wilson (a lovely bloke, but not the only man ever to write a book), and an exciting set of D&D rules to allow the seventh-level Circuit Breakers to feel all tingly and special about how they have evolved past those limited four-circuit humans who will not let them play Gnoll Paladins and those foolish non-cyber pagans whose genital piercings don't pick up DAB radio.

Still, he *does* have a much younger girlfriend, so maybe he's got something, eh?

So... I would suggest that that is a very good example of how to write a lengthy, rambling text file to be placed on a website. I would not suggest it as a great model for writing a book. Which goes back to why one would want to write a book, and if one were to write a book how one woudl get it published and selling...
 
 
_Boboss
13:49 / 17.01.05
'Still, he *does* have a much younger girlfriend, so maybe he's got something, eh?'

i'd guess 99 problems, and possibly an inability to talk to girls his own age. or older. which would make 100. or 101.
 
 
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14:03 / 17.01.05
My only real problem with the article was the elitist tone about fourth circuit people being less evolved then eight circuit people and so on... Reminds me of the slightly superior stance the Zion-bred humans seemed to hold against those humans that were pod-born in "The Matrix" movies.
 
 
_Boboss
14:05 / 17.01.05
aaaand we're back.
 
 
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16:38 / 17.01.05
Ok dudes, whatever. I only meant for it as a (as in one not the only one) source of inspiration for his writing. (but it doesn't matter James if it isn't to your liking.) I don't remember saying this guy was perfect or anything. I just remember it having some good ideas.

For fucks sake.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:44 / 17.01.05
Mmmm... I've read the tract in question but I'm afraid that my long-term memory circuit breakers tend to cut in round about "Changelings."

X: For fucks sake.

I know you're feeling a wee bit put-upon at the moment, but if you re-read the thread you'll see plenty of constructive advice and suggestion in amongst the exasperation. Try not to take the latter too personally; it's just that there are some things that chafe after a while.
 
 
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20:53 / 17.01.05
I'm reading Cosmic Trigger at the moment sister, and the last thing I remember clearly seeing is :

They live happiest who have forgiven most.

I'm fine, and my nervous system is buzzing quite happily. Peace Haus.
 
 
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11:25 / 18.01.05
This could also lead you onto some ideas.
 
  

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