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Mordant Carnival
20:38 / 07.08.01
Re: my rabid maunderings on the group servitor thread (Sorry, dead link)

Whether or not the chap in my dream was or was not Dabh, I have a strong feeling the dream itself had a message. I am no stranger to vivid dreams but this one seemed so much more coherent and significant than usual.

My instinct is that the communications device was the important part. See, I've been thinking about the existance and nature of non-human intelligence lately. What are we dealing with here? Angels? Elves? Aliens? Demons? The drivelling of bunch of deluded nutters?

About ten years ago, I had some episodes of post-sleep paralysis one of which included a very strong sense that there were two people in the room, watching me. I'd always dismissed this as a temporal lobe seizure.

Cut to a few months back. I was discussing alien/demon phenomena with my course tutor at uni, and I happened to mention my experience.

"So of course, these presences are just hallucinations," I said cheerfully. "People who imagine they've been visited by aliens and whatall are just victims of temporal lobe seizures."

"Ah, ha," replied my tutor, "but what if stimulating the temporal lobe actually allows us us to percieve entities that we couldn't normally contact?"

I stood there sort of opening and shutting my mouth for a while. I really didn't have an answer for that, beyond my kneejerk "don't be daft- aliens aren't real!" which suddenly didn't seem as cut and dried as it had five minutes before.

I still don't beleive in aliens. And I still think that my temporal lobe seizure hypothesis is a perfectly valid one. But then I have to ask myself: If I'm so damn cosy with this theory, how come I've never tested it? Answer: Because I've been too chicken. Because if I did attempt to make contact with the 'other people', I might just get an answer. Then I'd have to stop making snide jokes about anal probes and actually give the matter some serious attention. Taken in this context, I think the dream's message was "Give it a go! You can always plug the phone back in afterwards."

So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to put myself in a light trance and visualize creating the communications device from my dream. And then I'm going to sit back and wait for it to ring...

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Kobol Strom
09:07 / 08.08.01
Thats the spookiest fucking plan I've ever heard in my life.
It can't possibly fail!
 
 
Seth
09:07 / 08.08.01
quote: See, I've been thinking about the existance and nature of non-human intelligence lately. What are we dealing with here? Angels? Elves? Aliens? Demons? The drivelling of bunch of deluded nutters?


I was trying to ask that very question in "Out, Vile Thing!" Do you reckon it's worth ressurecting the old thread?
 
 
Ierne
11:43 / 08.08.01
I wonder if all that studying for your electronics test has anything to do with it...
 
 
grant
13:54 / 08.08.01
i like your tutor already.

keep us posted on your successes & failures in this project....
 
 
Mordant Carnival
15:38 / 08.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:
I wonder if all that studying for your electronics test has anything to do with it...



Sort of. Since I've always enjoyed mucking about with electronics and feel very comfortable with it, it comes as natural for me to think about things in terms of electronic technology. I got quite a result when I used a similar technique to "fix the loose wire" that causes my epilepsy.

I've done the basic visualization that I proposed last night. No major hitches. The images were nice and clear: I saw the device, opened it up and rearranged the innards with some really funky tools I found I had on me (a thing like a purple glowing soldering iron and a gadget that produced a blueish light-ray). I made sure that the ordinary connexions were re-established as well, so whatever else happens I won't have any trouble functioning in my more mundane life.

I suppose now it's just a matter of waiting for E.T. to return the call (or not, as the case may be).

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Mordant Carnival
15:46 / 08.08.01
quote:Originally posted by grant:
i like your tutor already.


Yeah, so do I. Trust me to luck into a course tutor who's a psychologist and parapsychologist AS WELL as an electronics engineer.
 
 
6opow
19:14 / 08.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Mordant Carnival:
Trust me to luck into a course tutor who's a psychologist and parapsychologist AS WELL as an electronics engineer.


Synchronicity, 'tis a wonderful thing.

[oh yeah, best of fortune to you with your experiment, I know you'll keep us posted of your results.]

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captain piss
09:07 / 09.08.01
Sorry if it's a slightly half-assed aside, but your tutor's idea dovetails quite well with the hypothesis of Terence McKenna, Rupert Sheldrake et al, which I've been thinking about again recently. It's back to the whole business of the brain being more like a radio receiver than a storehouse of memories - so that when you tune in to a particular frequency via a particular altered state, you access a different layer of reality, or morphic field (possibly lent some weight by experiments on mice showing that when most of their brains have been removed, they still retain memories of certain learned experiences).

Examples of these other realities are the place you go on magic mushrooms - it's a kind of organic vibe, and there's a sense that people have been living there for millenia. And obviously there's the DMT elves. You're brain's radio circuitry is tuning into the frequency where this layer of things is accessible.
And someone was mentioning on here a while ago that when they practice certain martial arts moves they feel like they're sort of 'jacking in' to this whole strata of reality that martial arts practitioners have established over years.
So I suppose there might be a similar thing goin on with frontal lobe epilepsy...

it's also occurred to me that lots of bizarre, visionary figures had frontal lobe epilepsy, like Dostoevsky and that...but that's another topic
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:07 / 09.08.01
Also consider GM's writting circa Invisibles V1... where the question is posed:
"Is the Soul in the Body? Or is the body in the Soul?"
if we were to opt for the later (how can a generally accepted Infinate thing like a soul be contained with-in a finite form like a body?) then the brain could easily be viewed as the reciever for a remote control device; Mind.

Perhaps also a consideration of the concept of the Noosphere as a "place" where the objective contents of Thought reside and are then accessed by the thinking "mind."
 
 
Mordant Carnival
16:51 / 09.08.01
I don't know anything about frontal lobe epilepsy, but stimulating the temporal lobe can definately produce sensations/experiences much like those reported by "alien abductees."
 
 
Lionheart
17:47 / 09.08.01
The magazine that first covered this was Newsweek and they are, so far, the only ones who pointed out the following....

Basically, I cut off your scalp, get an electrode and start probing your brain. I touch one area and you see the color RED. Does that mean that the color RED is a product of your brian? No. You've just activated a part of the brain that deals with percieving colours.

So, now let's rephrase the folowing paragraph.

Basically, I cut off your scalp, get an electrode and start probing your brain. I touch one area and you see extra-terrestial/dimensional beings. Does that mean that extra-terrestial/dimensional beings are a product of your brian? No. You've just activated a part of the brain that deals with percieving extra-terrestial/dimensional beings.

Get it? That's a more valid explanation than aliens (or whatever. you can't seriously say that they're from mars, or venus, or universe x, or from a 3d spatial place accessible by a 4th dimensional spatial tunnel because you've no idea what they are) are created by the brain. when they appear, your brain's temporal lobes activate, just like when you see the colour RED your brain's colour perception areas activate.

Now let's say you have an epilepsy in your colour perception areas. you'll see RED when it might not be present at the moment.

Now let's say you have an epilepsy in your temporal lobes. You'll see the beings when they might not be present at the moment.

Now let's say you have an epilepsy in your temporal lobes and colour perception areas. You'll see RED beings who might not be present at the moment.

Ofcourse, the simple explanation is...

!!!MONKEY!!!

 
 
Mordant Carnival
18:35 / 09.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Lionheart:
Basically, I cut off your scalp, get an electrode and start probing your brain. I touch one area and you see extra-terrestial/dimensional beings. Does that mean that extra-terrestial/dimensional beings are a product of your brian? No. You've just activated a part of the brain that deals with percieving extra-terrestial/dimensional beings.


Precicely the theory put forward by my tutor, and the basis for the communication experiment.

And please don't cut open my head. I'm bald. The mark'll show.

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grant
14:59 / 10.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Lionheart:
Basically, I cut off your scalp, get an electrode and start probing your brain. I touch one area and you see the color RED. Does that mean that the color RED is a product of your brian? No. You've just activated a part of the brain that deals with percieving colours.


Actually, the color red is a product of a chemical exchange between your retina and your brain.

Red objects might not be, but the perception of redness is.

By way of illustration: my ex-girfriend's dad was red-green colorblind. He would say, that dress is lovely -- is it navy blue? Well, we'd see it as maroon, but he'd see it as navy. The experience of color is separate from the object.
 
 
Blank Faced Avatar
11:42 / 11.08.01
MC:
" There's a programme which teaches people to overcome 'Grand Mal' epilepsy through biofeedback. Before treatment they suffer 50 fits of paralysis a day. They get to see feedback of brain waves which climb steadily prior to fits, and simply experiment with thinking/meditating until they find memories/meditations which they can see make the brainwave fall back to normal. Every patient finds different techniques, mainly visualising images & journeys, and this simple system effectively cures many people's chronic symptoms ie from many a day down to less than 1 attack a week. "

taken from "Nasa bio-feedback device" in Laboratory .. ring any bells?
 
 
Mordant Carnival
19:32 / 12.08.01
Hah. There you are, then. I'm already ahead of NASA!

Oh, and for those of you who are waiting on tenterhooks for an update (har de har har ) I've been proceeding with the visualizations, this time 'activating' my device while in a trance state, every night. The aliens/whatever haven't called back yet though. I'm starting to feel like a sort of occult Bridget Jones: "Bastards! You've been abducting someone else- I know it! It's that Gillian Anderson slut, isn't it? What's wrong with meeeee?"

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Seth
19:37 / 12.08.01
quote: I'm starting to feel like a sort of occult Bridget Jones

Laughed my bollocks off. Thank you, Mordant.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:39 / 15.08.01
Not much activity really, but thought I'd mention the following:

Visualizations are getting easier.

Something odd is going on on top of my head. I've been getting a strong sense of energy rushing into my skull, my scalp tingles pleasantly all the time now, and today at work I had a strong- a very stong sense that somebody was watching me from above.
 
 
Lost in a Moon Puddle
16:48 / 20.08.01
Totally off track, but I'm home alone in a small town this afternoon, and I have to say:

I love Barbelith.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled magickal discussion while I go get my ears pierced.


Thank you.

 
 
FinderWolf
12:20 / 22.08.01
I love Barbelith too -- it's pretty fuckin' cool. Unique way to connect with people around the globe on some pretty unique stuff, giving each other the encouragement and information that can help everyone take hold of their destiny in creating the life they want.........
 
 
Mordant Carnival
16:48 / 22.08.01
Hmm. It is pretty groovy here, isn't it? BTW- You gonna wear studs or rings?

Still no result re: the communications thingy. Any suggestions? I may have sounded a bit flippant, but I'm serious about this...
 
 
Wyrd
18:54 / 22.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Mordant Carnival:
Still no result re: the communications thingy. Any suggestions? I may have sounded a bit flippant, but I'm serious about this...


I'd suggest you give it time. You've made the necessary connections, now it's a matter of time before that phone rings. You could try visualising the phone/telecommunications thingy before you go to sleep each night as well. Let your unconscious mind take over.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
18:59 / 22.08.01
Will do. Ta!
 
 
01
05:20 / 23.08.01
As far as the brain/radio reciever theory is concerned, I dig it. It's like when musicians say they channel music. I read an interview with Al Jourgenson from Ministry and he said something like "I don't know where this shit is coming from, half the time I think I'm picking up transmissions from fucking planet Xenon or something."
This could also explain the prodigy phenomenon.
Hell, I remember as a teen, composing elaborate Metallicaesque (yeah, ha ha, I know) epic metal symphonies in my head when I be falling asleep. Going where the fuck did that come from?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:59 / 23.08.01
quote:Originally posted by zerone:
I read an interview with Al Jourgenson from Ministry and he said something like "I don't know where this shit is coming from, half the time I think I'm picking up transmissions from fucking planet Xenon or something."

While the theory's good, and I believe in it to a certain extent, it's also worth noting that Jourgensen is known for taking the piss on a grand scale; that's what Ministry is, isn't it? And, admittedly, a bloke who spends large chunks of tours smacked out of his head, wearing adult diapers is probably not the most reliable source of theory...
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:46 / 05.09.01
Bunch of weird faceless monk dudes turned up in an otherwise uneventful dream the other night. They called themselves the observers or the overseers or something like that. One of them remained for a while after I woke up; it reached out to me but when I tried to touch it it vanished.

Probably nothing significant, but I thought I'd mention it.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:41 / 05.09.01
hmmm . . . sounds Cool...

is it me or is this thread attracting a virtual Who's Who of the BU's Magik Posters...

We just need an appearance from LOTHAR fresh from journies in Mexico....

Sorry for the Off topic, just glad to be back here
 
 
the Fool
23:49 / 05.09.01
While were sort of on the topic of dreams.

I had a weird experience of tuesday were I sort of ran into a whole section of Melbourne that I remembered from my dream version of the city.

My dream version of Melbourne has consistent geography, various locations keep popping up.

I was walking down this street looking for a Japanese bath house and something just clicked. The two versions of the city started to overlap. I was stunned. I started remembering dream journeys through the city. I had this weird optimistic feeling I can only describe as 'tasting' the dream. Like flashed of summer. It was an old part of Melbourne and I had a really strange sense of time. Like multiple timelines overlaping suddenly. I could smell magic.

anyway, just thought I'd add that.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
17:58 / 06.09.01
quote:Originally posted by PATricky:
hmmm . . . sounds Cool...

is it me or is this thread attracting a virtual Who's Who of the BU's Magik Posters...

We just need an appearance from LOTHAR fresh from journies in Mexico....

Sorry for the Off topic, just glad to be back here


Heh. My dreams have been more psychological since getting back (job hunting, re-integration to western culture, etc.) and have been filled with incredibly standard psychobabble stuff of well... shit. Manuevering through obstacle courses of dogshit while trying not to get any on me.

It's good to have you back PATricky.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:25 / 06.09.01
Yeah... a week at Burningman caused the veil between Dreamspace & wakespace to virtually dissolve... Great for magik & adventures.

Now that I'm back in the office I'm feeling a bit overly demensional. Like a sphere among circles... The intergration's slow & consequentially my Dreams have been quite Muddy... i vaguely recall a madcap adventure in & out of a city warehouse district excorsising "old Ghosts."

I ended up swallowing the tyrant haunting me and metabolising it into a sort of Zit on the back of my hand, half-way between m thumb & index finger. I ended up massaging the Zit out of my hand & it ended up being the size of a smallish egg. I hurried off to help "others" and forgot what I actually did with that egg.

That was the first question my girlfriend asked me when I related the dream to her... opps...
 
 
Mordant Carnival
18:27 / 13.09.01
I still haven't had much of a result from this. I'm still visualizing charging my comm device every night, but (Monk looking blokes aside) there's not been any activity.
Any suggestions?

Oh, BTW: does anyone know what three red chevrons, one above the other and pointing upwards (like a sketch of a Christmas tree), might mean? Symbols.com draws a blank.

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Logos
19:36 / 13.09.01
It means you're a sergeant.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
09:02 / 14.09.01
Hmm. Even if they are red and light up all flashy?
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:56 / 14.09.01
I recall hearing it as a discription of a masonic symbol...

That's about all I can offer on it...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:56 / 14.09.01
My brother used to have a toy gun with a button like that on it when he was small. If you hit it then a noise would come out. Assuming it's something to do with your dream have you hit it?

Incidentally I had the oddest dream about a silver athame and a red van the other night and I spoke for the first time ever in a dream, all after reading this thread. It was very weird.
 
  

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