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Ariadne
19:29 / 19.12.04
A simple question, I hope - is it Dorothee-a, or just Dorothy?
Someone help, please, as I keep stumbling whenever her name's mentioned.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:36 / 20.12.04
Four syllables, accent on the third — doe roe THEE ah — hard "th" sound, as in think. See also: American photojournalist Dorothea Lange.
 
 
Ariadne
12:07 / 20.12.04
Thanks, Jack! I can now read it without frowning every page or two.
 
 
Neo-Paladin
12:54 / 21.12.04
Ariadne, what do you think to the book? I started it way back in the mid 90s when the TV series was on but got fed up with hearing people link the book to the show so gave up. My error or a must read?
 
 
Ariadne
13:43 / 21.12.04
Well, I'm enjoying it so far, but luckily I know nothing of the film/TV version to spoil it for me.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
21:14 / 30.04.06
At the time Arthur Conan Doyle was writing, what would a flat on Baker Street have signified about Sherlock Holmes?
 
 
alas
23:49 / 30.04.06
I love Middlemarch! It's one of the finest novels ever written, quite simply. Eliot manages to be as critical of the hypocrisies of the medical profession and bourgeois life as, say, Flaubert, but at the same time manages a kind of clarity and understanding of--even tenderness towards--even the most flawed of her characters. She's in this messy human state with them, with the worst of them, not laughing at them from above, and that is what I simply adore about her.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
02:26 / 01.05.06
At the time Arthur Conan Doyle was writing, what would a flat on Baker Street have signified about Sherlock Holmes?

Ooh- good question. Shame I can't really answer it, except I'm thinking that it might have been where the great fire started (unless that was Pudding Lane).
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:48 / 01.05.06
It wasn't a great area but it was on the fringe of really wealthy, really expensive areas, and was close to transport. It was an area that travellers first came to if coming to London by train, and so had a lot of oportunist crimes going on. The rough area at the time was the East End, but London in general was pretty rough town back then.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:33 / 01.05.06
Thanks Benny! I didn't think that Baker Street would just have been chosen at random, but the area now doesn't really give any clues about what it might have been like in the late nineteenth century. Also Legba, the fire starteed in Pudding Lane...
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
21:16 / 01.05.06
I like Middlemarch but am a bigger fan of The Mill on the Floss, despite its deus ex machina ending.
 
 
astrojax69
00:59 / 04.05.06
have to say, i read middlemarch for first yr english lit and loathed it! awful beast of a tome, days of our lives in period piece. horrid horrid book. but some people like it.

mebbe i'd had a bad day...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:40 / 04.05.06
If you finished it in a day, you probably skimmed a bit too much.
 
 
astrojax69
23:23 / 04.05.06


at the time was mainly reading philosophy - cognitive stuff and reading nietzsche in me spare time, so m. just didn't get me going. i'm not sure elliot and nietzsche would be companionable dinner guests...
 
 
doozy floop
07:27 / 11.05.06
Question (possibly stupid):

There's theory out there, isn't there, that focuses on how readers respond to texts - how they read them and what impact that has, that sort of thing.

If I wanted to know more about such theory, what should I be looking for in the library? Particular critics? Is it called reader theory? Does everyone else in the world already know all about it? Have I been living in a bubble for years and missed something huge?
 
 
This Sunday
07:36 / 11.05.06
Barthes' 's/z' might be a good place to start, as it lays out semiotics in general, in terms of narrative, and then gives proper, singular examples. See also the infamous 'Death of the Author'.

If you don't much care for nonfiction, but still want info, both Kathy Acker and William Burroughs have a tendency to include their lit-theory right in the midst of their otherwise fictitious texts. As does Nabokov. All three of them, to the point where they are in many ways suggesting a particular method or series of methods to read the material you're reading.
 
 
This Sunday
07:43 / 11.05.06
And Marshall McLuhan, of course. 'Gutenberg Galaxy', which catalogues the movement from oral to print and back to oral literacy, and 'Understanding Media' where individual mediums and their communication range and aspects are explored, with the word involving itself all over the place.

Even where and when he's got the future wrong, he's still probing some interesting territory and stumbling over truths he didn't recognize.
 
 
doozy floop
08:05 / 11.05.06
Now that's what I call service! Thanks for that Daytripper, I shall be off to the library at lunchtime.
 
 
Cat Chant
09:45 / 11.05.06
doozy floop - It's called reception! Or reader-response theory!

Charles Martindale's book Redeeming the Text: Latin poetry and the hermeneutics of reception is a very good introduction with an overview of the main theorists in the field, and reading it will orient you in what's going on at the moment (it's ten years old, but things haven't changed much). Andrew Bennett's edited collection Readers and Reading collects a lot of the most influential primary sources (Iser, Fish, Michel de Certeau etc).

There are three main strands of reception theory: the one that's called Reception Theory (or 'Receptionaesthetik' or something, it's a German word), which is associated with 'the Constance school' and/or 'The Konstanz School', particularly Hans-Georg Jauss and Wolfgang Iser, who were disciples of Georg Gadamer (who wrote a book called, I think, Truth and Method). On this you could read anything by Wolfgang Iser and/or Hans-Georg Jauss's The Aesthetics of Reception.

The second tradition is deconstruction, mostly influenced by Roland Barthes and Jacques Derrida. Stanley Fish is the guy that brought this into the Anglophone tradition and you could read his book Is There A Text In This Class? though I don't like it hugely. I'd recommend Barthes, as previously mentioned, especially the essays 'The Death of the Author', 'Writing Reading', 'Brecht and Discourse', 'From Work to Text', 'Change the Object Itself', 'The Grain of the Voice', 'Musica Practica', 'Outcomes of the Text' and 'The Theory of the Text'. All but the last are in either The Rustle of Language or Image - Music - Text: 'The Theory of the Text' is in a collection edited by Robert Young entitled Untying the Text. You could also read Barthes' incredibly beautiful short book The Pleasure of the Text.

The third is mostly focussed around pop culture, and looks at queer and/or resistant readings. I don't have quite such a bibliography in my head for this one, but there are lots of introductory readers for the study of pop culture. You could also read Alexander Doty's Making Things Perfectly Queer, Janice Radway's Reading the Romance and/or Tania Modleski's Loving with a Vengeance: Mass Produced Fantasies for Women, and Michel de Certau's The Practice of Everyday Life. Or there's Stuart Hall's essay on 'Coding/Decoding' (? can't remember the title) and Erica Rand's book Barbie's Queer Accessories. Work on fan fiction by Henry Jenkins and/or Constance Penley is also interesting in this regard.

If you get interested in this stuff, I understand Bristol University is launching an MA specifically in reception in 2007/8, so you could go and study it for a whole year!
 
 
doozy floop
10:52 / 11.05.06
Deva, you're a gem. I'm printing off your post to take to the library! I'm starting to see where I'd been missing all this before, if that makes sense, which is easing my frustration before I've even found a book to read. Ah, what a summer project this will be....
 
 
doozy floop
21:01 / 14.08.06
This appears to be my personal dumping ground thread for idle questions...

What novels are out there which feature author-characters, such as the Martin Amis character in Money, Paul Auster in the New York Triology, and I am reliably informed also occurs in Lunar Park and the Dark Tower series? I'm sure there must be hundreds of them but I'm drawing a blank.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
21:21 / 14.08.06
Well, Douglas Coupland's JPod does, but I honestly can't recommend it.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
23:32 / 14.08.06
Here's a few, doozy floop:

'Hunger' by Knut Hamsun - well worth the read, especially if you're a struggling artist of any medium, not just writing. Very funny in bits, and some amazing writing on the whole, it's the story of a starving writer/intellectual fighting with his conscience - a description which sounds boring, but does not do this book justice (although Knut Hamsun is very controversial due to his despicable relationship with the Nazis).

'The Master and the Margarita' by Mikhail Bulgakov - most of the human central characters are writers / poets / literary elite. And this book is just all round ace (I know that's not a good description, and a little wide of your brief, but still...).

'The Messiah' by Gore Vidal. It's about a writer ("Eugene Luther", named after Eugene Luther Gore Vidal himself) who helps an enigmatic figure start a new Death religion in the US, which sweeps though the "western" world. An excellent novel which is still very relevant in today's political and religious climate.

I've probably got loads more, (e.g. 'Keep the Aspidistra Flying' by George Orwell; stories by Bukowski; and others), but this would quite quickly turn into a list. So it's someone else's turn...
 
 
astrojax69
23:44 / 14.08.06
jm coetzee's 'elizabeth costello' is an author. coetzee is a sublime writer, but i would advise against starting with him on this one - i actually found it was a vehicle for a long polemic. but she reappears in his most recent, 'slow man', which a beautifully written book more in his regular vein as a wondrous (and deserved nobel, just like hamsun! - i second reading 'hunger', pw, and everything else by my favouritest author!!)

of course, most first novels are semi-autobiographical so the main character is a writer in a billion bad books! but pw has hit it with some excellent choices. plus this one
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
00:14 / 15.08.06
Cheers, astro. I haven't read any Jim Coetzee, but I shall certainly look out for him.

Oh, and just thought, although I haven't read it, a usually reliable friend told me a while back that Chuck Palahniuk's 'Haunted' is supposed to be worth a read. According to the wiki,

"The plot is a frame story for a series of 23 short stories (most of which are preceded by a free verse poem) with a chapter in the main narrative before and after each one. Each of the stories are written by the characters of main narrative, and each ties back into the main story in either important or minor ways."
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
00:15 / 15.08.06
(I meant JM Coatzee...of course...erm...)
 
 
astrojax69
05:09 / 15.08.06
s'funny, the real-world me has initials 'jm' which i often sign in lower case like that and the number of times i get responses to 'hi jim' is, well, many...

anyhoo, thanks, 'haunted' looks great!


and on the subject again [phew, almost lost it there a moment...] of course, calvino's 'if on a winter's night a traveller' is sort of a direct dialogue between author and reader, subverting the paradigm of plot arc as you hunt, together, for the missing piece of manuscript, meeting people and having relationships along the way. a stunning book i can't recommend highly enough. everyone should read calvino, especially this.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:17 / 15.08.06
All I could really add to Deva's excellent post is that it is "Encoding/Decoding" and I remember looking at Roman Ingarden at the same time as Iser et al. There are loads of books out by now on resistant (especially fan) readings of texts but that one on Barbie is one I especially like.
 
 
Cat Chant
12:21 / 15.08.06
What novels are out there which feature author-characters

Several of Dennis Cooper's first five novels feature an author called Dennis Cooper as the main character, notably Frisk and Guide. Hemingway's Garden of Eden has an author (David something) as the protagonist, who's pretty clearly a Mary-Sue.

You're right, it's oddly hard to think of them on demand!
 
 
grant
16:16 / 15.08.06
Well, PK Dick stuck himself in a lot of the big novels, but the first and biggest example of this has to be Kilgore Trout in, well, most of Kurt Vonnegut's books, doesn't it?

Vonnegut himself slips in to talk to Trout in Breakfast of Champions, but Trout's in a bunch more books (and is central to God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater).

He's widely believed to be an homage to the very real science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon, although the novel Venus on the Half Shell by Kilgore Trout was actually written by Philip Jose Farmer.

Norman Spinrad did something similar, by the way, with The Iron Dream, which was actually a science fiction novel written by an Adolf Hitler from an alternate timeline, who became a semi-successful artist illustrating covers to pulp magazines, emigrated to America and became a writer. He's not really a character within the book, although he is a character within the framing material (an "about the author" intro and an afterword by a historian/critic in the alternate timeline).
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:27 / 15.08.06
Grant Morrison in "Animal Man"

Peter Milligan (Miles Laimling) in "Shade The Changing Man"

come on comics are "books"
 
 
doozy floop
18:37 / 15.08.06
How did I forget Vonnegut! Thanks all. And, comic books do count - I'd be interested to know if it occurs more often in comics? The shame, the shame, I have never read any and have no knowledge of them at all.

And the only film example I can think of where the writer of the screenplay shows up is Adaptation.

I thought it was much more common than perhaps it actually is, but still, it piques my interest. Any more examples would be very gratefully received.
 
 
matthew.
18:48 / 15.08.06
Philip Roth inserted himself into a bazillion novels to varying degrees of success. Sometimes he could easy slide into a nice pair of covers.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:25 / 15.08.06
I'm pretty sure Smollett slips himself into Humphry Clinker, but it's only a wee cameo and I can't remember whether he's actually named... I thought this happened quite a lot in C18 novels but am struggling to come up with any others...
 
 
matthew.
04:34 / 16.08.06
Arguably, both Stephen and Bloom from James Joyce's oeuvre can be considered to be the author. Stephen (in Portrait) being Joyce as an artist who has yet to accept the world as beautiful for its ugliness (the "dirt" that young Stephen is thrown into and his "phobia" of water). Bloom being Joyce as a pervert, to put it simply. The sexuality of Bloom is modeled upon his own fetishes and relationship to Molly slash Penelope slash Nora Joyce. (In fact, there exists a letter (or two) in which Joyce takes a break from composing, masturbates, then returns to composing the letter, with references to the fact, of course.)

Since it's Joyce, there is obviously a whole lot more. I've only given the briefest and most superficial of intrepretations here.
 
  

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