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modern maenad
11:44 / 10.12.04
Having finally acknowledged that the huge credit card bill is not going to go away, I am currently sorting out a budget for the next (gulp) few years. The whole process has got me wondering why, despite a good working knowledge of the evils of capitalism, and a general distrust of rampant/conspicuous consumerism, I have been living above my income and getting into debt for so long. Sure, I've not being flashing it around in Harvey Nics, tending to overindulge on right-on, recycled, 2nd hand, organic blah goods instead, but the bottom line is the same. I spent too much, I'm into shopping. Its bad. Anyone else in this particular boat? Care to share?
 
 
Benny the Ball
11:57 / 10.12.04
Totally. I ended a relationship at the start of the year, and found myself having to move out, find double rent, find the money for deposits and find the money for a new mode of transport. In the meantime my work load vanished and my income halfed, all equalled hell of a lot of card use. I always pay more than the minimum amount and hope to chip away at the stuff, but still, it's not like I'm living like a king (don't buy any cds or dvds and stuff, my biggest expenses are groceries and books, which I need for research purposes) yet here I am fretting like nothing over the tax bill and the rent and etc etc.

I never really recovered from leaving University in debt and jobless to find that my parents had given my room to my nephew so had to take a grad loan out to fund my first few months while I found work (really would have loved to have gone home and cleared some debt for a while, but hey) then changing jobs, taking a huge pay cut to train in new job, and getting into more debt because of this. But, hey, that's living in London for you.
 
 
sleazenation
12:12 / 10.12.04
The basic rule on credit cards is *always pay off the full amount every month*. Otherwise your debts can only increase and you will be forced to fork over even more of your hard earned cashed to a very large and highly profitable credit card company.

If you cannot afford to pay your credit card in full each month, you cannot afford to have a credit card. This might sound patronising, but it isn't meant to be. the longer you have debts, the bigger they will get and the more of your money they will consume.
 
 
modern maenad
12:20 / 10.12.04
sleazenation - you are right right right. And the crap thing is that I know all this, and hate handing over interest each month. Yet despite the knowledge, I carried on. And I'm a fairly together person in all other respects, no extensive neurosis and the like. 'Spose I'm sort of asking two things; anyone else have similar financial behaviour, and if so, why do you think we do it? And any good practical suggestions for living on less. Have considered making January a 'buy nothing' month (bar basic foodstuffs, soap etc.)
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
12:50 / 10.12.04
I'm finally sorting myself out from this situation. It's been a carefully period of reducing costs and admitting to myself that I need to say no to spending money a lot more often.

One of the things that has recently been identified as a cause of financial issues is a general, pan-social failure to plan. The term, defined by government is Yubbies. Young Urban Bin Baggers, classicly defined as shopping without forthought and then throwing away things that are no longer required or food that has gone out of date because after doing a big expensive shop at Sainsbury's you've then spent the past two weeks eating out because you can't say no to the endless string of friends who call you up just as you've got home and are not yet in the mood for cooking.

An exaggeration, maybe, but the core mentality pervades and leeched the money you have yet to hard earn.

My advice for cutting the debts;

After Christmas (excuses being harder to come by and everyone is on the scrimp), if possible cancel your card. Most FIs will allow you to pay back int he usual manner but it cancels the spending.

Cook for yourself. This involves actually taking raw ingredients and creating dishes rather than removing the packaging and reheating. Also, freezer cooking saves time and money.

No drinking at pubs on Monday - Thursday. If you must drink then call some friends round for some booze and a film. The good news is that after doing this a few time you'll end up with a stockpile of beer and can haul this out for the occasion and your new found cooking skills mean that the £10 pizza will only cost £3.

Pay less for transport. Trains are cheaper than the car. Buses cost less then trains. Bikes are free to run. A perfectly good bike with paniers can be picked up for £100-£120 if you know where to look. A 5 mile journey by bike in London is twice as quick as a bus and 3 times as quick as a car.

Finally, don't pay for things you don't use. Gym, Landline, Travelcard, Leaving the lights on all over the house. It all adds up at your expense.
 
 
Sekhmet
12:52 / 10.12.04
I'm almost completely out of debt now. (*does a little dance*)

We had a hugemongoid balance on our credit card after two years of traveling with my husband's band and a lot of beyond-our-means living - mainly, we're foodies, and we were eating out A LOT at expensive restaurants. Also trying to pay off a car and a mortgage. We were bemused as to why we kept overdrawing our bank account every month, so we sat down and crunched numbers and figured out, *duh*, we were spending more money than we were making. By quite a bit.

Part of the problem, in our case, is that most of our friends make more money than we do/don't have as many financial responsibilities, so what looked like a normal lifestyle for everyone else simply didn't work with our cash flow. This was a sobering realization.

Long story short, we drew up a budget, cut as many costs as we could stand, stopped eating out all the time, and sold a bunch of my husband's stock from work to pay off our credit card. Now we pay it off every month and limit our spending. Not only have we stopped living beyond our means, we just realized we've saved up enough to pay off the car a few months early. This is happy-making. :-)

It's very easy to get into debt, far harder to get out, especially without wrecking your credit. Mostly it takes self-discipline and the motivation to deprive yourself a bit. (I never could have done it on my own, hubby is the one with the discipline.) We were very lucky in that neither of us had student loans to pay off.

One thing I would advise is to examine your regular monthly bills and see if there's anything you can cut. We changed cell phone plans, cut part of our cable TV/modem costs, and took one of our cars (which isn't driveable) off our insurance policy. Things like this really add up over the course of a few months, and chances are you have money drains you haven't recognized.

Also, if you have a high balance on your credit card, see if you can transfer the balance to a card with a lower interest rate. Some companies won't charge interest on balance transfers for the first year, which can be great, but read the fine print.
 
 
Sekhmet
12:56 / 10.12.04
Oh, and by all means, cook at home, it's cheaper, and generally healthier, plus it's a fun way to spend time, so you don't have to pay for entertainment.

We went vegetarian for a while, and discovered that veggies and rice are far cheaper than meat... who knew?
 
 
sleazenation
13:01 / 10.12.04
For people in the UK this is a great information resource.
 
 
ibis the being
13:57 / 10.12.04
I actually am just getting into amassing some credit card debt, but it's because I'm running a young company and credit is my best option right now.

However, from the ages of 18 to 25 I lived on pennies without ever having a credit card, so I can tell you how to live on less.

First, create a really simple monthly budget. Start by adding up the sum total of your income, factoring out the taxes.

Next, budget your expenses in order of priority, beginning with the things you must pay on time and on which you can't do much/any cutting back. So, rent. Heat bill. Electric bill. Transportation cost. Phone bill. Credit card bill, & student loans if any. Food. Entertainment. And then a cushion category, for any surprise needs (important!).

If you pay for your own heat and the company allows it, see if you can get on a payment plan that averages your heating bill based on last year's usage, so that your bill is the same every month all year long. Makes it easier to budget, and you won't spend the heat bill money in the summer that you'll need next winter.

Also call your credit card and student loan people - most will agree to let you pay whatever you can afford each month. They may want to see some paperwork on your income, but they may just take your word for it.

As someone said, the bus is really cheap and usually gets you everywhere. If possible, buy a monthly pass, you'll save more.

Be really cheap about food, because that's an easy area to cut costs. You'll have to cut restaurants out of your life, and takeout only once or twice a month. Also, stop getting coffee out, if you do - it adds up. When you're on a budget, a dollar fifty coffee each day is a precious $45 a month. I found that $400 a month on food, including beer, was generous. Make an initial investment in spices, and then stick to plain rice, frozen veggies (cheap but still nutritious),pasta, etc. Stay away from prepackaged meals, they're too expensive and less filling. Oh, and eggs! Eggs cost 8 cents apiece and can be thrown into many meals for protein. And remember you get charged extra for every "convenience" - so get a block of cheese, not the pre-shredded, get cans of tuna, not the freshpacks, etc. Never shop hungry, and always make a list beforehand.

You won't be able to go out as much - that's the sad reality of living on less. If you do go to the bar, drink the cheap draft. Two bucks a beer versus five is a big savings. But you just have to stay home more. Ask your friends to burn you CDs when you need music. By second hand books. No more new clothes for you, you'll have to wait till Christmas and your birthday to ask for clothing or gift cards. And when you need some item of clothing, head to Payless Shoes or some other Evil Corporate Discount Store. Because that's all you can afford now.

On days off, I usually would just stay home and read or something, because I knew if I left the house I'd wind up spending on something - a coffee, a juice, a book - and that adds up too. It's the money you spend when you're not looking that bites you in the ass.
 
 
Nobody's girl
14:05 / 10.12.04
If you need help sorting out debts, The Citizens Advice Bureau are very helpful. My Aunt has been working to help people heavily in debt at the CAB for twenty years and assures me that there's always a way to get help, no matter how bad your situation.
 
 
Ex
14:33 / 10.12.04
Good luck, modern maenad. I’m on the kind of budget that makes me spit steam when I read yer chic lifestyle moneysaving tips: Cut some of your magazine subscriptions. Use a home hair colour instead of your usual 35 quid highlights. Do you really need that fifth pair of Jimmy Choos? To demonstrate the lifestyle abyss between my spending and their 'saving': I found my last pair of shoes in the middle of the pavement in Soho. Charity shops are OK, but frankly a bit upmarket for me, unless they have a closing down sale on.

So, some slightly more hardcore tips:

Stop buying anything.

Remind yourself that you cannot afford everything you want. The world is full of fabulous things but you don’t have to own them. Stop going to places where you will be exposed to things that you will want to buy. Work out when and why you buy – is it aspiration? Embarrassment? A sudden flush of wealth at the end of the month? PMT? Being a bit pissed?
If necessary, remind yourself that you can’t actually afford all the things you need - this is depressing but facing it can be curiously bracing (rather than bumbling on thinking ‘Why am I still spending so much? I’m only buying necessities…’). Revise your understanding of the word ‘need’ downward. Revise your sense of ‘expensive’ upwards.

Write down your expenditures for a couple of weeks; spot the largest and least necessary, and ditch them or work out a substitute.

Turn small everyday treats (if any) into weekly treats.

If you need to go out and socialise, try not to spend anything. If you are in a pub of café, and your friends are drinking/eating, you won’t be singled out and ejected by the management for abstaining. In effect, you’re cadging off your friends, but it doesn’t actually cost them any more. If your friends are all skint also, this doesn’t work because you can’t expect them to rent your space on a bar stool.
Socialise at home and at other people’s houses as much as possible, as suggested upthread.

Get a haircut that you can trim yourself.

Fix in your mind something you want that is a bit beyond your current budget (a book, CD, trained bonobo). This is your Desired Object. Every time you’re tempted to spend any money on something trivial, think of the Desired Object and don’t settle for less. Only allow yourself to buy one Desired Object a month or the whole system goes tits up.

Remind yourself frequently that you are excellent because of your sterling personal qualities, and that profound people will notice that, and not mock your badly cut hair and wardrobe composed of skip salvage. Realise how old your best T-shirt is and weep salt tears into your soda water in the pub, while the landlord stares at you malevolently.
 
 
Nobody's girl
15:03 / 10.12.04
Realise how old your best T-shirt is and weep salt tears into your soda water in the pub, while the landlord stares at you malevolently.

My best T-shirt is 3 years old. Ex, it sounds like you and I are in the same position financially. It sucks sometimes, but I comfort myself with knowing that both my mum and dad went through poverty as bad as mine and they're doing alright for themselves these days.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:12 / 10.12.04
Don't have much to add to the above, which is all excellent, except:

Instead of using expensive vending machines, buy a cheap thermos and get six-packs of fizzy pop from the supermarket and bring them into work/school/uni.

If you really can't face sarnies for lunch every day, a plain takeaway baked potato can work out pretty cheap. Get some tupperware pots and make your own toppings to add to the spud.

Don't let your friends' lifestyles dictate your spending. Explain the sitch, try to arrange cheaper activities. If someone expects you to bankrupt yourself in order to hang with them, that person isn't much of a friend.

Most importantly, try not to panic or let the changes you're making bring you down. This too shall pass.
 
 
Jub
15:31 / 10.12.04
You all seem very savvy about saving money and living cheaply and I've been getting better at this - but seriously, am in a lot of debt! - - my main problem is that while the debt I'm in is huge, it's fairly manageable and is being chipped away each month.

Once I'm paid I have all this money and feel guilty not being correspondingly generous at the bar for example especially because my (mostly smaller debts) mates earn less and can't afford as much. I *can* afford being generous - taking my girlfriend out for dinner etc, but that means the debt is not being paid off regularly.

How do I convince myself that it's better to pay off more of the debt and be poor, than pay less of the debt and have money?
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
16:18 / 10.12.04
Two years ago, I looked at my finances and decided that I had to get out of debt. I had school loans and a couple of odd credit cards. I cancelled all of the cards and started to tighten my belt. I started to cook at home again, which I love to do. I would go to the discount supermarket on my way home from work and play the "How many meals can I put together with the money I have on me?" game. I found that I could usually come up with at least five meals for less than $8.00. Beans and rice are a whole protein when combined, very nutritious and quite delicious when spiced correctly.

I moved into a place that was less costly than the one I had been living in before. I set a goal for myself, and made a budget. I wanted to own my own home, so I put a note in a prominent place in my house that said, "You are buying a house, will this help?" I saw that note every time I went out, came in, or passed it. It was a constant reminder to be watchful of my money. I managed to get all of my debt paid and save up enough money to make a down payment on a house in less than 1.5 years.

Since I am now out of debt, I have made it a point to put money in savings every month. In my mind, I no longer consider that money to be part of my take-home pay. The hardest part of a plan to save and get out of debt is getting started. It requires quite a perspective shift on your life. Once you are a few months into it, it gets easier. Now that I am out of debt, have my house bought, and can spend a little more money each month, I still find myself living frugally. It is really quite liberating, I no longer feel I have to keep up with others, and am quite content living below my means.

One of the strategies I used was to look at my debts and pay those with the highest interest rates first. As I would pay one off, I would apply the money I was paying to that debt to the next highest interest rate debt. After you get one or two paid off, it starts to snowball and the debt goes away more quickly each month. If your highest rate debts are the biggest, you might consider paying one or two of the smaller ones off first. It helps to stave off the feeling that you are not getting anywhere. Whatever you do, don't look at the money that is freed up as extra to spend until all debts are paid. That money should be applied to other debts.

I have made a rule for myself that I will never be in debt again, barring any unforeseen complications. Obviously, that excludes my mortgage, but I consider that an investment rather than a debt, and I am paying more than the required payment every month. On a traditional 30 year mortgage, if you make one extra monthly payment per year towards the principle, it amortizes 8 years earlier and almost halves the amount of interest you pay over the life of the loan. I buy used cars that I can pay cash for, only have one credit card which the balance is paid in full on each month. Periodically, I will go to my Credit Union (similar to a bank) and take out a small signature loan. I immediately put that money plus the interest over the life of the six month loan into a savings account and instruct them to deduct the payments each month from that account. This is probably unnecessary, but it does help my credit rating should I ever need to borrow.
 
 
HCE
17:24 / 10.12.04
Young Urban Bin Baggers, classicly defined as shopping without forthought and then throwing away things that are no longer required or food that has gone out of date because after doing a big expensive shop at Sainsbury's you've then spent the past two weeks eating out because you can't say no to the endless string of friends who call you up just as you've got home and are not yet in the mood for cooking.

Gasp. That's me. It really, really bothers me.
 
 
King of Town
18:14 / 10.12.04
Procrastinate! My best budgeting tool is to procrastinate. When I see something I want that isn't in the budget already, I decide that I will buy it, but not right now. Then I can continue procrastinating that purchase indeffinitely. Why put off till tomorrow what I can put off till next month? That way I don't feel like I can't afford things; rather, I feel like I have a lot of things that are waiting for me to buy them and I'm just not getting around to it yet. I think this kind of apathy might not be too good, but I don't really care.

How did I get into this mess? I knew I could handle my credit cards, so it didn't bother me when the bank surprised me with 2 credit cards instead of one and $7000 of credit on each which later went up to $8000 just to tempt me. I suddenly woke up when one of the cards was maxed out and the other had a little bit on it too. I live 10 hours by car from my parents. I'm going to school full time and working as many hours as I can get, usually 35 a week. I was forced to find cheaper insurance for my car and I've just moved into a cubicle. I share a house with 4 other guys and my room is less than 8 feet by 10 feet (that's like 2.5m x 3m). The great advantage is that I live accross the street from my school now and now I have a kitchen that I can cook in. My previous place, the owner lived in and didn't like me to use the kitchen. I'm so poor that I'm going to join the military in addition to all I'm doing. The good news is that when I'm really good, my budget sometimes has enough left over that I can go out and buy something that I've been procrastinating on for a long time.
 
 
King of Town
18:21 / 10.12.04
I just realized that I can touch one wall with my toes and reach the opposite wall with my palm! At least my neighbor lets me park my car in her driveway
 
 
modern maenad
18:27 / 10.12.04
ooh, fantastic to know that (a) I'm not alone and (b) some of you are out the other side of the tunnel, which I have to say is extremely inspirational. Already do most of the suggested money saving tips (all clothes, books, cds etc. 2nd hand, cook own food, transport body around using feet and buses) but especially love idea of The Desired Object and generally redefining my definitions of want and need. Its been good to be told to just not spend money. So, no more buying stuff, even if cheap - time to up library use, take advantage of friends and family's bursting book/cd collections and wear clothes 'till they disintegrate. Am going to start with an offical buy nothing month in January, to get things off to a shock-tactic start.
 
 
modern maenad
18:31 / 10.12.04
King of Town - Know someone who illustrates the cosyness of his flat by explaining that he can hoover all the rooms from the one socket........
 
 
Chiropteran
18:33 / 10.12.04
There is a lot of great advice here, and I don't have a lot to add (though I'm scribbling notes).

Silly little things, but maybe worth thinking about:

- a video/DVD rental for a cheap night-in with friends can quickly cost as much as a trip to the cinemas if you don't get it back on time (don't I know it).

- if you have automatic payments from a bank account, be very careful with your timing (especially if you get paid bi-weekly, or monthly), or you could suddenly find yourself being overdrawn, with a costly overdraft fee (i.e., does "the end of the month" for the phone bill mean "the last day of the month" - after your paycheck clears - or "the 27th" - before your paycheck clears?).

- if you use an ATM card, keep track of your withdrawals in a register, just like you (ought to) do with checks - don't trust your ATM receipt or on-screen balance, because the system sometimes updates strangely, and things clear out of order. Without keeping careful track, you might think you can just afford to do something, and it ends up costing you that overdraft fee.

(These are super basic considerations, and are probably so obvious to most people that they don't bear thinking about, but the degree to which I, personally, have not had my shit together is really quite astounding. I have lost easily hundreds of dollars in overdraft fees - at $25 a transaction, they add up quick - mostly because of poor organization and a flighty memory.)

For some more extreme "Live for Free" tips, check out Confessions of a Bottom Feeder. Some of it is pretty geo-specific (to Southern California), but reading through it can give a nice perspective shift - it's written by and about people who live ultra-cheap because they want to, not because they have to. "Positive Poverty" and all that.

Good luck!

~L
 
 
betty woo
19:40 / 10.12.04
Jub - I can very much empathize with your situation, as I was in a similiar one a few years back, when most of my friends were still students and I was the one with a degree and a "real" job.

The first step I took was to figure out where my money was really going, rather than where I thought it was going. Keeping a daily log of where I spent my cash was a bit bothersome, but I was awfully surprised to learn just how much I spent on movie rentals and smokes.

Once you know what you're spending on, you can figure out how important each of those elements is to you, and what you get the greatest pleasure from. If you cut things you really love, you'll just wind up cheating on your budget - which means, if you get a lot of satisfaction out of buying a round at the pub, then you should probably keep that in your budget and scrimp elsewhere. Research suggests that many people get greater satisfaction out of experiences than they do from possessions, but figure out what's important for you. That said, you can also figure out how often you need to do these things in order to satisfy yourself - cutting back to dinner out once a month, instead of once a week, adds up fast, but doesn't completely give up something you enjoy.

The thread description mentions a consolidation loan, which is an excellent way to get yourself off the credit cards if you can get approved for one. I wound up with a line of credit, which has a higher interest rate than a loan but was still less than my credit cards. It's also much easier to pay a single bill - and more sobering to see all your debt in one place (rather than spread over a bunch of smaller bills).

One silly trick that a friend of mine found effective was freezing her credit cards - literally. She filled a plastic tub with ice, stuck the card inside, and stuck the whole thing in the freezer. It would take a day or two to thaw out, which gave her plenty of time to reconsider if she really needed that new dress.
 
 
sleazenation
19:45 / 10.12.04
Jub: when you say I *can* afford being generous - taking my girlfriend out for dinner etc, but that means the debt is not being paid off regularly. you need to recognise what you are actually saying, quite aside from the whole politics of 'generosity' stuff, is that you are happy to extend the length of your debt, and increase the ammountl money that you are giving to a large credit company. THink about that and think if you are actually happy with that.
 
 
ibis the being
22:11 / 10.12.04
I like this thread. It's buoying to know that I'm not the only one scraping by. Periodically I'm hit by a wave of despair - will I ever stop being poor? - but I keep chugging along.

Get a haircut that you can trim yourself.

Great idea! Can't believe I forgot that one. Two and half years ago while I was unemployed, I decided to cut my shoulder-length hair to some approximation of a choppy pixie cut - by myself. I figured it hardly mattered if I fucked it up, since I had no job & nowhere to go. And it turned out all right! I've been cutting my own hair ever since, getting better at it each time, and I swear I get more compliments on my haircuts now than I ever did while getting it professionally done.

Also, make it known to your friends that you'll take their hand-me-downs. I have two friends and a cousin who regularly offer me stuff that's on its way to Goodwill - either it's too small for them, or they're just tired of it. Some of my best clothes are friend-me-downs.
 
 
sleazenation
22:24 / 10.12.04
I've also got to admit I employ King of the Town's shopping advice - Procrastination can truely help you spend less money and you can be doublely sure that you want something if you have a look at it in the shop, go home and think about it and still want to buy it...
 
 
Ganesh
00:33 / 11.12.04
Hm. My plan here, such as it is, is to increase the amount of paid work I do - overtime, out-of-hours, Section 12, court reports, etc. - accordingly. I'm never quite able to make things balance but, in London I'm much more able than anywhere else. I guess there's more freelance work available; it just takes a bit of rooting out and dogged pursuing.
 
 
Grey Area
10:04 / 11.12.04
For people living in the United Kingdom: Avoid Direct Debits. They're pushed at you left, right and centre as means of saving money, but the sad truth is that unless you're hyper-organised you're going to lose track and end up wondering where all your money is going. If you don't have the money to pay for something there and then, don't buy it. Save up and go back when you can pay for it. There's nothing worse than looking at your room and realising that half of the stuff in it isn't really yours because you're still paying it back.

After four years of reorganisation, I've got no debts. My bank manager looked at me as though I'd just fallen from Mars when I went into the branch to convert my current account from a student one to a normal one and I told her I had no loans, mortgages or credit cards to pay back. My one credit card is a Mastercard that clears automatically at the end of the month. If there's not enough money in the account, the card will be cancelled. I don't use Direct Debits no matter how wonderful the salesperson makes them sound.

And I always read the small print. No matter how annoyed the sales-person/manager is looking, you always read the small print. If you're not sure, you take the stuff home and read it overnight. Don't trust anyone who's about to take your money. If they come with comments like "this special deal is only available today" then have the courage to look them straight in the eye and say "well then I won't take it. I'm perfectly willing to wait until your next special offer" or words to that effect.
 
 
w1rebaby
10:32 / 11.12.04
Buy the cross-subsidised, loss-leader goods at the supermarket that are marked down to get you in, and nothing else. Bread, milk, beans, tinned tomatoes etc, they make a loss selling these. Then buy veg and meat at grocers and butchers where it will be cheaper. Don't buy anything with a brand name. Buy lots of herbs, spices and pickles - they may seem expensive but they last a long time and will save you from utter taste death.

One thing I did was to resolve to only eat meat when I was out, since meat dishes are mostly a similar price to veg dishes but much more expensive if you cook them yourself. Of course if you always cook for yourself this doesn't count.

Smoke roll-ups instead of fags, if you can't give up completely, you save at least 50%, and if you add up the amount you spend on fags it's a hell of a lot.

Do large shops for things that don't go off, rice, pasta, big bags of frozen food, and then buy things that do go off on a day-to-day basis (this isn't always possible unfortunately).

Don't buy pasta sauces. In fact, if there's anything you can feasibly make yourself, don't buy it pre-prepared.

Don't buy CDs or DVDs; steal your media while you still can.
 
 
diz
10:34 / 11.12.04
i'm really lucky. i'm able try to live in cash as much as is humanly possible. i'm starting to use credit cards more because i'm trying to build up some good credit to cancel out some bad stuff from my past, but i pay them every month and i never carry credit card debt. i never have, and barring some sort of catastrophe, i never will (*knocks on wood*). this is largely because my mom basically destroyed herself with credit cards when i was growing up, so i was lucky to see exactly how dangerous they are before i could get into trouble with them.

unless you have a business or something like ibis, there's no reason to ever be in debt for anything other than the three big things: house, car, school. if you have debt, you need to make cutting into it a major priority, because once you're out of debt, you can relax on a lot of the other issues because you're not dumping money down the bottomless hole of the credit card company every month.

the sick thing is that i probably spend more of my disposable earnings than many of my friends, because they're stuck paying off shit they've already bought with interest. it just keeps rolling forward. it's such a scam it makes me angry.

in addition to the little things you can do to cut your expenses which people have been suggesting, and which, frankly, i'm bad at, there are big things:

never buy a new car. the moment it rolls off the lot, it depreciates tremendously - let someone else take that hit. also, the interest on car payments will kill you. once you pay off whatever car you have, drive it until repair expenses outweigh savings from buying

if you're not in a relationship, you need a roommate or roommates. period. however nice it is to have your own place, you cut all your bills, including rent, in half or more if you move in with friends. your standard of living goes way up when you split all your basic bills. if you own, see if you can rent out a room.
 
 
w1rebaby
10:37 / 11.12.04
Oh yeah, and seconding Grey Area's thing about never going in for any offer immediately. If someone's not willing to let you take some literature home with you and decide at your leisure, they're trying to pull a fast one.

Don't buy extended warranties. You will get a warranty period anyway. I've been pushed very, very hard when refusing to do this, to the point where the manager has been fetched and I've been questioned as to why I don't want to.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:41 / 12.12.04
Oh, one small thing--those "everything for one pound or less" shops I mentioned in the fairy-lights thread often do food and beverages. Look out for big catering tins of fruit or veg--you can often get several portions out of one can and then you just cook up some rice or whatever to go with.
 
 
sleazenation
09:17 / 12.12.04
Never but anything from door-to-door salesmen or from anyone in telesales. Whatever service they are offering you can get it chaper somewhere else and if you *really* needed it you would have gone out yourself and got it already.
 
 
illmatic
14:17 / 12.12.04
This is a great thread. As everyone has said, nice to know I'm not alone etc.

Chippign in to sympathise with Diz's because my mom basically destroyed herself with credit cards

My mum hasn't destoyed herself but has severely impeded her financial future through cards and loans, and is now at the end of her working life, so has to live on a vastly reduced income with no "nest egg" or cash to fall back on. There is nothing like as big a wake up call as seeing one of your parent in severe distress. This is where all those promises of the credit rainbow end up. It sucks, and the ease of access to credit in the UK frightens me, as I supect we're going to see a lot more people in this position, especially with the huge increses student loans/debt.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:28 / 12.12.04
Most importantly, try not to panic or let the changes you're making bring you down.

Totally, especially the second one. Despair is often an attractive option- "just give up and don't give a shit, stop worrying, cos you're fucked already" is an attitude I personally have to fight every day, in so many areas of life. Slipping into it is NEVER a good idea. Especially not where finance is concerned.
 
 
modern maenad
09:17 / 13.12.04
Despair is often an attractive option I think this is part of what fuels the debt cycle - when you're already x thousand in debt, its so easy to convince yourself that adding another £10/20/50 really isn't going to make that much difference. Or, looking at it the other way round, reducing large debt by such small amounts seems so paltry....
 
  

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