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The real reason they can't play is because of said fans hostilities, and the only way they are going to be able to confront a 'handicap' stereotyping is to be given their chance on the field directly, irrespective of whether they're trying to prove they can play in cold climates or whether they are trying to prove they can play in mud.
Yes, but you got it wrong. You made a factual error, because you know very little about football, and then tried to wriggle out of it because you are not grown-up enough to admot a mistake. Perhaps a nice "Sorry, Haus and Ganesh, I wll try to add something useful to the thread rather than trying to abuse my way out of a situation in which my ignorance is being displayed"?
Very briefly, because I don't see a lot of point in sticking around at this quality of debate.
Zesh Rehmann.
Fans hostility - really? Could you come up with some examples of fans racially abusing their own team's black players? Thanks.
History - you seem to be claimning that football is irremediably racist because there were no black mnanagers in Britain in 1938. This is comically dumb. It's like saying that politics is irremediably sexist because there was no femal Prime Minister in 1902. I have explained, with consideration to your ignorance about football, when black players started to enter the British game in numbers, and what this means for the time difference before black managers. If you have any statistical evidence about how many black footballers there were in Britain in 1923, and how many black managers, or indeed how many black *people*, please do present them. Your argument depends on these sorts of statistics, to which you have not bothered to seek access.
As for:
They share a job description which involves telling others, black and white, what to do. And I'm saying on that basic level, that a lot of British society will not readily stomach having that happen.
So, the job descriptions of "sales manager", "football manager", "R&D manager", "police sergeant", "Lieutenant", "Brigadier General", "traffic warden", "teacher"... for you, these are all identical. Fine. Utterly useless for trying to make any useful point, but fine.
Also, you believe that no black person in "a lot of British society" currently has a job in which they have any responsibility for telling other people what to do? None whatsoever? We have already established that you have never played football or been a manager... have you ever had a job? Met a non-white person? I'm only asking because I find your vision impossible to reconcile with reality.
Furthering equality in many areas in the UK, including football, will take hard work on the part of people of all races, genders and sexual orientations. You don't seem terribly interested in that, though. Rather, you want to create this world in which members of minorities are victims, who cannot do anything to improve their position, which viewpoint demands that you claim that black managers currently in the game are a freak occurence and that Asians (like Sun Jihai) or British Asians playing in the Premiership (like Zesh Rehmann) simply do not exist. As I have said, I find it disempowering, offensive and actually kind of racist.
Oh, look, I already said that.
Basically, if you want a fantasy world in which the tiny advances of poor black people are constantly menaced by scary racist armies, and there is nothing they can possibly do about it (no reason why? How about "black managers demonstrating that they are able to compete and succeed, thus making fans and chairman accept that they are able to improve the performance of the club"?) that's fine. Go out and do something about it. Join Searchlight. Take up the white man's burden. Knock yourself out. That has nothing to do with football, and I find the way that you are seeking to infantilise black people in Britain by denying their achievements in order to maintain your fantasy frankly inexplicable. |
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