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Erotoxins: Pornography Addiction

 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
13:20 / 20.11.04
From Wired.com:

"Internet pornography is the new crack cocaine, leading to addiction, misogyny, pedophilia, boob jobs and erectile dysfunction, according to clinicians and researchers testifying before a Senate committee Thursday.

Witnesses before the Senate Commerce Committee's Science, Technology and Space Subcommittee spared no superlative in their description of the negative effects of pornography.

Mary Anne Layden, co-director of the Sexual Trauma and Psychopathology Program at the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Cognitive Therapy, called porn the "most concerning thing to psychological health that I know of existing today."

"The internet is a perfect drug delivery system because you are anonymous, aroused and have role models for these behaviors," Layden said. "To have drug pumped into your house 24/7, free, and children know how to use it better than grown-ups know how to use it -- it's a perfect delivery system if we want to have a whole generation of young addicts who will never have the drug out of their mind."

Pornography addicts have a more difficult time recovering from their addiction than cocaine addicts, since coke users can get the drug out of their system, but pornographic images stay in the brain forever, Layden said.

Jeffrey Satinover, a psychiatrist and advisor to the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality echoed Layden's concern about the internet and the somatic effects of pornography.

"Pornography really does, unlike other addictions, biologically cause direct release of the most perfect addictive substance," Satinover said. "That is, it causes masturbation, which causes release of the naturally occurring opioids. It does what heroin can't do, in effect."

The internet is dangerous because it removes the inefficiency in the delivery of pornography, making porn much more ubiquitous than in the days when guys in trench coats would sell nudie postcards, Satinover said.

Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kansas), the subcommitee's chairman, called the hearing the most disturbing one he'd ever seen in the Senate. Brownback said porn was ubiquitous now, compared to when he was growing up and "some guy would sneak a magazine in somewhere and show some of us, but you had to find him at the right time."

The hearing came just days after a controversy over a sexually suggestive Monday Night Football ad that has many foreseeing a crackdown on indecency by the Federal Communications Commission.

It is unclear what the consequences of Thursday's hearing will be since it was not connected to any pending or proposed legislation.

Brownback, a conservative Christian, is also scheduled to be rotated off the sub-committee in the next session.

When Brownback asked the panelists for suggestions about what should be done, the responses were mild, considering their earlier indictment of pornography. Several suggested that federal money be allocated to fund brain-mapping studies into the physical effects of pornography.

Judith Reisman of the California Protective Parents Association suggested that more study of "erototoxins" could show how pornography is not speech-protected under the First Amendment.

The panelists all agreed that the government should fund health campaigns to educate the public about the dangers of pornography. The campaign should combat the messages of pornography by putting signs on buses saying sex with children is not OK, said Layden.

However, as the panelists themselves acknowledged, there is no consensus among mental health professionals about the dangers of porn or the use of the term "pornography addiction."

Many psychologists and most sexologists find the concepts of sex and pornography addiction problematic, said Carol Queen, staff sexologist for the San Francisco-based, woman-owned Good Vibrations.

Queen questioned the validity of the panel for not including anyone who thinks "pornography is not particularly problematic in most people's lives."

Queen acknowledges she can name people who have compulsive and destructive behavior centered on pornography, but argues that can happen with other activities, such as gambling and shopping.

Queen also criticized the methodology behind research showing that pornography stimulates the brain like drugs do, saying the research needs to take into account how sex itself stimulates the brain.

"There's no doubt the brain lights up when sexually aroused," Queen said.

Queen too would like to see more money devoted to research on sex, but thinks it is unlikely that researchers on either side of the divide are likely to receive large grants any time soon.

Studies intended to show the harmful effects of pornography must contend with ethical rules prohibiting harm to human subjects, while sex researchers have a hard time getting any funding, unless their study is specifically HIV-related, according to Queen."


And this, from Suicidegirls.com* of all places:

"The Norwegian Clinic for Sexual Information reports that widespread access to porn has created psychological complexes that are both liberating and disturbing. Their findings show that a wide variety of young men who watch porn believe that they “suffer from premature ejaculation” because they are unable to perform for hours on end with any sort of consistency and young women are upset that every touch does not bring multiple orgasmic delight.

"We get young boys in here that are very embarrassed and are convinced that they suffer from premature ejaculation. They think it is normal to hold out for nearly an hour because it looks like the men in porn films do this," sexual counseling specialist and [Clinic for Sexual Information] leader Siv Gamnes told newspaper Dagsavisen.

Porn also increases sexual experimentation and further changes and redefines the notion of “normal” sex by displaying sexual activities that people previously had no idea existed.

But the [Clinic for Sexual Information] feels that the widespread acceptance of porn is blurring boundaries, both inspiring youngsters to have group sex and instilling confusion when, for example, girls find anal sex unpleasant."


Admittedly, Porn is addictive, and, yes, long term addiction does cause "misogyny, pedophilia, boob jobs (?) and erectile dysfunction", but doesn't all media affect it's recipients, and isn't that the point? Violent movies and video games could cause a person to percieve violence as the best way to deal with a situation, Romance movies could make a person niave and overly sentimental. The issue is whether the costs of allowing people to watch pornography outweigh the benefits: allowing people to explore their sexuality without any physical risk involved, suggesting alternatives to a person's normal sexual practice.
So, is Pornography worth it?

*See, I really do read it for the articles.
 
 
eddie thirteen
18:57 / 20.11.04
Inspiring youngsters to have GROUP SEX?! Man, I'll tell you what, I missed the fuck OUT by coming up at a time before the Internet. Both these articles sound like put-ons to me, but anymore, who can say for sure.
 
 
Brigade du jour
22:23 / 20.11.04
eddie thirteen, I thought it was a put-on too, right up until it mentioned the 'Conservative Christian' Sam Brownback's involvement, at which point it all became very clear.

Mind you, 'Sam Brownback'? Sounds like a sexually-suggestive joke name to me.
 
 
Liger Null
01:37 / 21.11.04
The panelists all agreed that the government should fund health campaigns to educate the public about the dangers of pornography. The campaign should combat the messages of pornography by putting signs on buses saying sex with children is not OK, said Layden.

Note how no distinction is made between child pornography and porn that features consenting adults. Interesting.
 
 
LykeX
09:56 / 21.11.04
I love this bit:

it causes masturbation, which causes release of the naturally occurring opioids.

So does pretty much anything we feel pleasure from, such as eating.
Really, some people.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:13 / 21.11.04
Jeffrey Satinover, a psychiatrist and advisor to the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality echoed Layden's concern about the internet and the somatic effects of pornography.

That's the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. Pretend I'm Haus, and imagine this post ending with the words "Linked to without comment".
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
20:42 / 21.11.04
Spatula: I actually didn't see that... in my own thread. Pretend I'm Homer Simpson, and imagine this post ending with the words "D'Oh!".
Obviously that particular gang of fuckhats shouldn't be listened to, though doubtless the Bush administration will be giving them and their ilk more than the time of day.

Woodtiger (sexually suggestive name if ever I saw one): The line between child and adult porn isn't that clear cut; obviously their aren't any contemporary Traci Lordses (to my knowledge at least), but directors like Max Hardcore use sex with adults pretending to be children as a motif, the whole adult film industry seems fixated on 'Teen' girls as an ideal, there was even talk a while back about a company getting girls to sign a contract to make their first porn film (and lose their virginity on screen) on their eighteenth birthday.

The whole 'erotoxin' thing intrigues me. Is this an outgrowth of Meme theory? Could it be that pornography is the ultimate Meme; one capable of genuinely affecting users physically and mentally, the user's orgasm acting as a catalyst for the Meme by loosening them up with endorphins?
 
 
Liger Null
22:15 / 21.11.04
Woodtiger (sexually suggestive name if ever I saw one):

Does the fact that I'm female make any difference?

The line between child and adult porn isn't that clear cut; obviously there aren't any contemporary Traci Lordses (to my knowledge at least), but directors like Max Hardcore use sex with adults pretending to be children as a motif, the whole adult film industry seems fixated on 'Teen' girls as an ideal, there was even talk a while back about a company getting girls to sign a contract to make their first porn film (and lose their virginity on screen) on their eighteenth birthday.

Point well taken. When I was seventeen, I'd have bristled if anyone had called me a "child." However, I also wasn't ready for sex back then. I wonder about the future of these girls. What will become of them when they're twenty-three and "over the hill"?

That having been said, terrible acts of censorship have been committed in the name of "child protection." And with the Moral Majority Republicans all but running our Government, this stuff is no laughing matter.
 
 
The Prince of All Lies
00:18 / 22.11.04
this article is CRAP!

[continues downloading internet porn]

no, seriously, it doesn't sound scientific enough for me, it's more like: "blabla"pornisbad"yaddayaddayadda"killthehomos"....ad infinitum.
Plus, if porn can be an addiction, so can regular sex. In that case, I want to stay an addict, thank you very much, Joe Conservative..
 
 
iconoplast
01:48 / 22.11.04
I dunno, man.

This is a link to Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous.
This is a link to Sexual Compulsives Anonymous.

I think there are more groups out there, but I don't know all that much about the addiction. Except that I know people who are active members in both SCA and SLAA.

Compulsive Sex /Addiction/ is, uh... yeah. I just imagine the analogy of heavy drinker to alcoholic and try to imagine what the addiction corresponding to 'getting laid a lot' must be. And I have on a number of occasions felt deep gratitude that I don't have it.

But to keep the analogy (drinking:alcoholism::having sex:compulsive sex addiction), the studies show that alcoholics are born alcoholics. People in A.A. say that they were born alcoholics. So if alcoholism isn't caused by alcohol (The idea being that the drinking is a symptom of a more pervasive 'disease'), I don't think anybody is going to sell me on the idea that Pornography causes sex addiction.

Mind you, I'm not sure Pornography is the healthiest thing in the world. Then again, I don't really trust a comittee of fundamentalist christians and psychiatrists who cure homosexuality to decide what is.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:21 / 22.11.04
My understanding is that most therapists make a distinction between porn addiction and sex addiction, though obviously there are similarities. Sort of like alcoholics who drink socially and those who drink alone, I suppose.

It's funny, though, how many people who talk about this "happen" to be conservative Christians. Just saying.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
11:22 / 23.11.04
The Testimony of Dr. Mary Anne Layden

Pornography Distortion is a set of beliefs based in pornographic imagery, sent to the viewer while they are aroused and reinforced by the orgasm. An example of Pornography Distortion would include beliefs such as "Sex is not about intimacy, procreation or marriage. Sex is about predatory self-gratification, casual recreation, body parts, violence, feces, strangers, children, animals and using women as entertainment." All of these are messages regularly sent by pornography."

Permission-Giving Beliefs are a set of beliefs that imply that my behavior is normal, acceptable, common and/or doesn’t hurt anyone so I have permission to continue to behave in the way that I am. In all types of violence and addiction, Permission-Giving Beliefs are involved. Examples would include "All men go to prostitutes" "Women like sex mixed with violence" and "Children enjoy sex with adults". These particular Permission-Giving Beliefs are also common in pornography.

Layden has been banging this particular drum for a few years now. In an article written in 1999, she makes some equally startling claims:

When normal college mates are shown pornography, 50-65% of them then say they would be willing to rape a women if they thought they wouldn't get caught. Males who have committed acquaintance rape are more likely to be frequent readers of sex magazines like Playboy and Hustler. The more sex magazines sold within a state the higher the rape rate.

One of Layden's fellow-travellers is Dr. Judith Reisman, whose article The Psychopharmacology of Pictorial Pornography Restructuring Brain, Mind & Memory & Subverting Freedom of Speech draws the following conclusion:

"Since the brain believes what the eyes see, in 3/10 ths of a second, real, virtual or pseudo pornography restructures the brains-minds and memories of participants or even casual viewers. That the brain's irinternal drug storelr produces mood altering psychotropic drugs, and that right hemisphere emotions including fear, joy, anger, lust (instant rewards) dominate the left hemisphere's cognitive functions of speech, rationality, logic (delayed rewards), further implicates pictorial pornography as causally changing the nature of the polity. The massive quantifiable increases and qualifiably more sadistic and barbaric kinds of sexual crime since 1950, supports the breeding of a sadistic, pedophile consciousness in pornography consumers. A picture is worth more than a thousand words and even weighty words (unless repetitively broadcast in popularly credible forums) rarely cause long-lasting cellular change."

and

"My operational, "ethological" definition of pornography: private space behaviors displayed in public space forums in violation of self and species preservation finds for pictorial pornographic communication as socially toxic. It is argued here that the attached review finds the psychopharmacology of pictorial pornography subversive of the goals and objectives of free speech: that is to enable a polity whose brains, minds and memories are alert, aware, realistic, healthy and thus capable of rational and thoughtful self government, to more effectively ensure domestic tranquility and provide for the common defense. As these media violate "free speech" rights of women and children but subverting cognition, these toxic media should be legally outlawed, as is all other toxic waste, and eliminated from our societal structure."

Reisman's not quite saying that the mere act of viewing pornographic images turns people into drooling sex-crazed zombies but she's not far off:

Lust, that is sexual arousal, toward a real or media image, when experienced in the body
(in street terms, "brain candy") as a drug high, poses significant danger, especially for those with an already delicate psyche. For, such chemical flooding of the brain would too often override ones cognitive thought and interfere with rational decisions to protect themselves and others.


Reisman has also written a couple of books claiming that Kinsey's sex research was fraudulent, was largely based on interviews with prison inmates, prostitutes, sex offenders and "exhibitionists" (i.e. not decent, god-fearing American citizens) and that his 'research' included illegal Nazi-style experimentation on children.
 
 
quixota
17:47 / 23.11.04
hey all...

agreed that the article smacks of propaganda and dubious claims, but it does raise some interesting points,,,

undoubtedly, the internet has made porn more readily available than before, and because it reaches a wider audience, i would say it has become more socially acceptable. the rapidity of dissemination of media has certainly nurtured voyeurism, (e.g. the ludicrous number of reality, game and self-improvement shows, or say, the live reportage of 9-11), of which porn is a particular form.
moral judgements aside, i have long wondered what the (subconscious) effects of exposure to hardcore porn (or indeed violence, sadism etc.) are, firstly on the indivdual, and secondly on the level of collective consciousness. i imagine these effects are, for the most part, far more subtle than the likes of NARTH(vader?) and Brownback would argue, but nonetheless, thoroughly worth investigating. though, as indicated above, conclusive research into this type of thing is a long way off, for reasons of funding, bias, and still developing knowledge of neurochemistry...

phex, i really like the linking of erototxins with meme theory. i need to check that out further...
 
 
quixota
23:38 / 23.11.04
hhm...
there are a lot of web forums where people think that 'erototoxins' are some kind of spoof term, but although Dr. J. Reisman does seem to have coined the term herself, she, and therefore many of the people she is addressing, clearly uses it in earnest.
i just had a look at:

http://www.commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1343&wit_id=3910.com
[sorry folks, i tried and tried, but couldn't get the hang of this link thing - i think i did exactly as instructed, but for some reason it makes my whole post a link... not good]

where there is a speech given by Judith Reisman to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation at a Science, Technology, and Space Hearing...

i didn't find it all together unreasonable (well, apart from the inference, from her use of the 'fact' that: ' “all, that is 100%” of rapists, pedophiles, etc., in their study possessed adult pornography, “such as Playboy, on up….” [sic],
that if there were no porn, there wouldn't be any sexual crime, and earlier, her use of the claim that 'Any highly excitatory stimuli' causes brain damage)...

then i stumbled across rzklkng's post at http://www.akkamsrazor.com/ where s/he writes 'I feel you can't grasp the perspective of Dr. Reisman without examining the organizations she is affiliated with,', with a bunch of links to some of those (rightwing) organisations...
the speech itself is called 'The Science Behind Pornography Addiction' (sounds either nice and conclusive, or, just like a shampoo commercial, depnding on your ... afilliation?)
draw your own coonclusions...
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:15 / 24.11.04
Useful review of research on porn: The Dangers of Pornography? A Review of the Effects Literature

Link to pdf Gender, third-person effect and pornography on the internet

and an article The effects of Pornography: An International Perspective which argues that there is an inverse causal relationship between an increase in pornography and sex crimes.

Tara
in the link you cited, Reisman says:

Thanks to the latest advances in neuroscience, we now know that pornographic visual images imprint and alter the brain, triggering an instant, involuntary, but lasting, biochemical memory trail

Whereas (as far as I am aware) no such research has been done. If you read her so-called white paper (its a pdf) you'll find I think that she makes highly speculative claims based on rather general remarks & selective quoting of various other researchers.

According to Reisman:
Pornographic pictures can cause permanent brain change. These disinhibiting images can be reawakened at any time, like it or not.

And by her own admission she's spent a few years methodically going through back issues of Playboy, Hustler, etc., looking for sexually dishibiting imagery. I can't help wonder if, by her own lights, she's been 'damaged' by deliberately exposing herself to this "socially toxic" material.
 
 
quixota
15:32 / 24.11.04
yes trouser, i totally agree with you - most of J.R.'s claims are spurious... (sorry i don't have time right now to follow the links you posted; definitely later).

perhaps my own conclusions, rather understated, didn't come across:
1) that i think the relation between porn and neurochemistry/memory is a very worthy area of investigation, and therefore we should be glad of even Reisman's contribution, insofar as it launches debate.
2) that there is always a danger when the people purporting to undertake serious research (into any field) have some kind of private agenda, as is clearly evidenced in J.R.'s case. sadly, this jeopardises all that she offers. and what is worse, her opinion may be influential at (US) governmental level.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
18:57 / 02.12.04
Morals and (pseudo) the interpratation of science aside, whatever state would have to have a very tight grip on the balls of society, 1984 style, to be able to pull of a ban on porn.

Advertising "sex with children is not OK" is gonna make people think of sex and children, proliferating the idea. Ive had similar thoughts relating to media crusades on paedophilia.

Most young men (and women) are gonna wank anyway, causing the release of "erototoxins". If porn was banned, their mental sexual stimulation will just come from TV, film,advertising, people they know... their reality.

If some kids are saying porn makes them ejaculate prematurely, their obviously not watching enough.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
19:00 / 02.12.04
Oops posted as my flatmate (whales) again. Mabye too much porn is dulling my mind.
 
 
ibis the being
15:48 / 08.12.04
I, like LyleX, picked up on this key (ludicrous) statement -

"That is, it causes masturbation, which causes release of the naturally occurring opioids. It does what heroin can't do, in effect."

In the first place, porn causes masturbation? Is that in the same way that parties cause the use of cocaine, or bars cause drinking? Arguably, one has some intention of becoming sexually stimulated when one seeks out pornography in the first place, just as one probably intends to drink if one heads to the bar. Not to mention that millions of people have masturbated millions of times without the causal agent of pornography.

Secondly, it's telling that what's really at the core of this attack on porn is a belief that masturbation itself is wrong and unhealthy and more addictive than heroin. And yet, unlike heroin addicts, people who masturbate appear to function as teenagers or adults who have friends and lovers, and have outside interests or hobbies, and succeed at school or work. Amazing.

Reisman's studies are no better, drawing conclusions from the presence of porn in the psychological diets of college-aged rapists or would-be rapists. It should be obvious how woefully incomplete her statement is, as a scientific "finding" - All of the rapists looked at porn, therefore porn must cause a desire to rape. This is akin to saying that all the cancer patients someone studied ate chicken, therefore chicken must cause cancer.

I think the SuicideGirls article has slightly more validity in examing how porn might shape people's (particularly young men's) expectations of what sex or sexuality should be like (how long they should last, how well endowed they "should" be). Which is not to say that I'm going to believe pornography has anything like a brainwashing effect. I would think that a grown man or woman who might have been formed some impressions from watching porn as an adolescent, say that the average cock is ten inches erect, would be able to balance this with rational thought, life experience, and perhaps some other sources of information about human sexuality.

Isn't this essentially the same fear, so hot in the eighties, that exposing people (and particularly) children to violence on TV was causing more violence. I remember this being a huge issue for years - all the facts and figures that came out about so many thousands of acts of violence viewed in commercials, in prime time, on Saturday mornings. It was thought that watching a cop show would subconsciously warp the mind into condoning violence and murder. Violence on television, as well as amounts of television consumption, have increased exponentially since the seventies. But was a correlation ever born out in any statistic about exponentially increasing violent crime? People may be more prone to ADHD, or less shocked by violent imagery, but no more inclined to maim or murder other people in real life.
 
 
HCE
17:17 / 14.12.04
Perhaps it is time to start giving heroin to teenagers, since it is less effective than porn, cannot be disseminated (sorry) on the internet, and may well cause a cessation of interest in masturbation and other sexual activity, if the cliche of the junkie whose only interest in life is another fix is roughly accurate.

It seems to me that problems noted here would be better addressed by teaching youths to think critically about the (sounds like lousy) porn that they're watching. Better porn and more thoughtful audiences.

I always think of violence, too, when I think of porn. I don't want to dismiss the case against porn out of hand because I certainly think that watching lots of shit movies that glorify violence is harmful. At least I think I do. It should be the same, shouldn't it? Is it a question of whether people are influenced or is it a question of what they're being influenced to do?
 
 
HCE
17:18 / 14.12.04
Alternatively, I could've read the last paragraph of ibis' post, above. Sorry about that.
 
 
BARISKIL666
01:05 / 23.12.04
Holy god or lack therof.Welcome to the 21st.century folks,more fantastic than those dodgy 60's sci-fi books that I read as a child could ever imagine.
Sad thing is that this woman is right to a certain degree,she is also wrong to a certain degree.
As a satan worshipping porn using drug addict I unfortunately must agree with these born again types that TV/Video games/porn what have you can be harmful.I am an extremely sane individual so find this a bit amusing looking at it from the outside,a bit of psychotherapy wouldn't go amiss with this woman as she is full of sexual demons herself.
Voyerism is getting to the point of......these days,I once wrote a song with a deathmetal band I was in where reality TV was taken to it's logical and frightning conclusion,live rape and murder TV shows.I wasn't joking either.
Welcome to the brave new world,can you take it!!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:22 / 23.12.04
What, crap death metal with excruciating "social commentary" lyrics? I certainly can't take it. It's a terrible indication of society going to the dogs...
 
 
BARISKIL666
01:39 / 24.12.04
yes indeed,I'm sure the above mentioned woman would agree with you completely.
 
 
Seth
00:34 / 27.12.04
Are there any other ways you could define what you mean without using the term "sexual demons?" I think it's probably only good as a band name.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
00:53 / 27.12.04
Sexual Intercurse - death metal band from Norway I heard recently. They have no issues at all.
 
 
BARISKIL666
17:14 / 27.12.04
What I mean perhaps is that this woman has got sexual problems/hang ups of some description?I'm no phychogist,but maybe she needs therapy or somthing.She maybe views all sex as evil,or like the Catholic church,it only exists purely as a precursur to reproduction?
 
 
Peach Pie
13:54 / 10.02.05
doesn't all media affect it's recipients, and isn't that the point?

I think the question is to what extent the media is responsible for how its recipients are affected, if at all.
 
  
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