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Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:28 / 19.11.04
So, has anyone heard it? Has anyone seen the video?
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
14:42 / 19.11.04
I'd doing my utmost to avoid this - the Bono/Justin spat threw into sharp relief the bullshit of "hey, popsters, let's put our egos aside to raise money for people starving to death" that has been pervading the news for the past few days.

Mark Steel's column in yesterday's Independent puts it far more succinctly than I ever could, alas you need to pay for registration so I cannot provide linky.

I have been toying with purchasing the Live Aid dvd, just 'cos it was a seminal 80s moment, but this rehash featuring the likes of Dido et al will do fuck all to help Africa. Jesus, even if I was starving to death, there's no way I'd want fucking Dido singing on my behalf.
 
 
_Boboss
14:49 / 19.11.04
well i've only heard it the once i think but it sounds rather ill-judged. there's this solo from justin darkness doing brian may and it just sounds like he's taking the piss, only the last time his joke was funny was a year ago (weird-looking bastard'll do anything for that christmas no.1). there's a bit from dizzee which sounds like whoever was behind the mixing desk had just heard a rap for the first time in his life. and it's got joss stone warbling like a twat over the end of it. think i'll just give the price of a cd single to oxfam.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:08 / 19.11.04
Don't get me started. Just don't. I lost control of my Band Aid rant in the pub last night, and already wish I hadn't.

But one thing I WILL say is...

OF COURSE THERE'LL BE SNOW IN AFRICA THIS CHRISTMASTIME, YOU FUCKHEADS!!! KILIMANJARO GETS MORE SNOW THAN THE WHOLE OF FUCKING ENGLAND PRETTY MUCH ALL YEAR ROUND!!! TWAT.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:16 / 19.11.04
I do think it says a lot (of bad things) that after so many erudite people have pointed out the flaws in the original lyrics (even if we forgive the whole "no snow, rivers or rain in Africa, or any plants, any at all" bobbins, you cannot get away from the immensely moronic/monstrous idea of "they don't know about Christmas, the poor heathen savages - let's teach them the wonder of Christmas!"), they've still chosen to leave it untouched apart from the bolted-on Dizzee couplet.

Yes yes, cynical hipster me ripping the piss out of Bono and Bob who have done more to help suffering people than I ever will, yada yada yada...
 
 
Jack Fear
18:10 / 19.11.04
What Flyboy said.

Furthermore, although it is undeniable that "the holly hath a prickle," it's entirely inaccurate to characterize said prickle as being "as sharp as any thorn." You'd think somebody would have noticed that by now.

And although the Nativity may have taken place "in the bleak mid-winter," it is highly doubtful that any "frosty wind made moan," given that Bethlehem lies at about the same latitude as Flagstaff, Arizona. I mean, come the fuck on, people!

Also: the "shepherds watch[ing] their flocks by night" were not "all seated on the ground"; there was this one guy named Steve who was standing the whole time, cos his hemorrhoids were acting up. The song is ALL DAMNED LIES! CORRECTIVE MEASURES MUST BE TAKEN!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:08 / 19.11.04
Steve does NOT have piles. Apparently.

There's the whole "thank God it's them instead of you" bollocks, and there's also the fact that nobody involved this time round actually gave enough of a shit to even write a new fucking song!!!

At least first time round the intention was good. This just seems like a bunch of cynical fucks trying to cash in on the fact that doing charity stuff's good for your image. I hope it makes tons of money. I hope the money all goes to the right place. I still hope none of these fucks can sleep at night.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:18 / 19.11.04
Wasn't that just what Steve used to *say* to the other shepherds, after a heavy night out ?
 
 
Jack Fear
19:30 / 19.11.04
FUCK OFF MEMEFILTH
 
 
NotBlue
20:58 / 19.11.04
Lacks the passion, of even the self serving/righteous folkies of the first one were at least singing like other lives depended upon it, not like they were trying to show off their "sincerity" TM, vocal acrobaticts, (jamelia, joss stone i'm looking at yoooooooooooo")
 
 
infinitus
23:10 / 19.11.04
Fuck 'em. The infected guilty conscience of the western world gets licked clean by Blair's and Bush's best friends, Bono and Bob (Geldof has praised Bush, and Bono has called Blair and Brown 'the Lennon and McCartney of politics'). What really pains me is that Thom Yorke is in it. I thought he had some sense.

This breeding of prejudice was terrible twenty years ago, but this just proves that we have gotten nowhere since then. This patronizing is sickening. Isn't it time to take over the world already?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:39 / 19.11.04
I'm not sure about passion, but at least last time round it felt like an event, even if for any number of reasons it might have seemed objectionable, or not. This time though, it all just looks like a pale imitation, no problem in itself, except that if the concept seems tired, and let's face it, with the best will in the world, it really does, then by implication, so does the cause. Band Aid was originally successful because it bought press coverage for the situation in Ethiopa, whereas it's hard not to feel that the 2004 version's being much more considered as a media event. It's the Twentieth anniversary, and so on. Effectively, the idea of charity is being made to seem dated, and while that arguably doesn't say much about the papers these days, and everyone who buys them, whoever's responsible for this fucking fiasco ought to have seen it coming, and thought much longer and harder about what they were doing than they apparently did.

So I hope it raises money, but I couldn't honestly say, hand on heart, who it's actually raising money for - Ethiopia presumably, but then it might be Rwanda, or perhaps the Sudan, and if not, why not ? And what's the point of all this, except for an emotional blood-letting to coincide with Christmas ? The nightmare, I suppose, that living in certain parts of Africa must be happens for fairly obvious reasons, none of which are going to be seriously addressed by whatever tops the UK charts in the last week in December.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:28 / 20.11.04
Lacks the passion, of even the self serving/righteous folkies of the first one were at least singing like other lives depended upon it, not like they were trying to show off their "sincerity" TM, vocal acrobaticts, (jamelia, joss stone i'm looking at yoooooooooooo")

Please, let's not fall into that trap. Don't let nostalgia befuddle your brain: today's pop stars are no more or less shallow than those of yesterday, nor do they have any more or less 'authenticity'.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:47 / 20.11.04
Whaaaaat? Are you implying that the likes of Marilyn, Bananarama, and That Bloke Out Of Heaven 17 were not morally superior to the shallow popcunts of today?

YOU'RE PISSING ON MY MEMORIES
 
 
Jack Fear
10:55 / 20.11.04
Seriously, though: Why must you always asume the worst of people. I mean, we haven't heard much from Spandau Ballet et al since the original Band Aid in 1984. What has happened to them?

Maybe they dropped out of the music industry, sold all their worldly possessions, and devoted themselves to serving the poor and down-trodden of the world. Maybe Gary Kemp now ives in a mud hut in the Gambia, hoeing yams and teaching children to read. Maybe Marilyn is now a wonder-working ascetic, holier than Gandhi with St. Francis's fingerbone down his loincloth.

Do you know for sure? I don't know for sure. Then again, I haven't read Mojo lately. Maybe there was something about it in there. Barring that, though, I think we should give these people the benefit of the doubt.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:59 / 20.11.04
Have you been drinking more than usual, lately?

Unfortunately we Brits know all too well what happened to Martin Kemp: he became a prominent member of the cast of Eastenders and the poor woman's thinking woman's pin-up.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:04 / 20.11.04
Have you been drinking more than usual, lately?

No. But maybe I should be.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:08 / 20.11.04
The worst thing about this is in the video when it switches from Gandalf standing round showing everyone videos of children in Africa and all the pop stars crying and weeping to a dodgy guitar solo in which Justin Darkness crotch humps his guitar while Fran Healy goes "Wooooo".

It just doesn't seem to click, really. And Dizzee seems to be totally crow barred in. He wasn't in any of the publicity shots I saw, either, that show who everybody is. But that is only right. At least he got more lines than the giant cherub from Keane.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:15 / 20.11.04
at least last time round it felt like an event

Yes. It felt like a steaming pile of pompous, self-righteous mullets shedding crocodile tears while dollar signs lit up in their agents' eyes and made 'kerching!' noises. Blue Peter ran a middle class guiltometer and lots and lots of white people joined up to the "sponsor a poor, homeless, orphan black child" scheme in order to demonstrate that they understood.

Oh, hang on. I seem to be talking about this time around, too.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:55 / 20.11.04
I saw the last minute or so on telly, watch as all the female artists in the room all try to do their own "Wo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oh!" on the end, to show how intensely intense they feel about it all. I had to go watch my Pulp dvd for the 'Bad Cover Version' vid to recover.

And also, as someone pointed out online somewhere, Ethiopia = Predominantly Christian country, Do they know it's Christmas time? Sudan = Predominantly Muslim, would they care?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:09 / 20.11.04
And Dizzee seems to be totally crow barred in

His Auntie probably fancies Bono or something, I really can't think of a single, other reason for his involvement.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:00 / 20.11.04
Neither can I, but, as with Thom Yorke, they both did it.
Disappointing, isn't it?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:07 / 20.11.04
Maybe Gary Kemp now lives in a mud hut in the Gambia

No, he lives in a five storey mud hut in Highgate these days. I could probably get you the address if you wanted, if you stood around shouting outside the front door for long enough, which I dare say you wouldn't do, being the easy-going guy you apparently are. Marilyn, meanwhile, maintains a lively presence on the London club scene, at least according to the Observer the other week, and it's hard to believe, all joking aside, that any of this comes as a major surprise. I mean it doesn't. does it ?
 
 
Jack Fear
21:51 / 20.11.04
Not if you are an irredeemable cynic with no love in your heart, it doesn't.

As for me, I'm gonna sit down in a corner with my shattered dreams and weep for my lost innocence.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
03:14 / 21.11.04
What a bunch of horse-puckey.

The original version was shit on a stick. It was embarrassing, cringeworthy, done purely so that the artists could get some (in many cases, much needed) publicity - so was Band Aid II straight afterwards, as was Heal The World. What do you fucking expect, Blood On The Tracks meets Back In Black meets The Black Album (either of them)?

It was alwasy a shit song, performed for shit reasons. Decent publicity for a good cause versus meedja event for a good cause = tautological twattery. If it earns money which goes somewhere noble, however that happens, it's fantastic. You people need to get out more. Literally. How much money did you give to charity recently? How much service, apart from lip, did you give to helping anyone other than yourselves? Grow a social conscience, stop sniping like half-wits. Yes, it's not a good song. And? It never was. Yes, the participants' motives can be called into question. They always could.

And before you snipe at me - yes, I put my money where my large and patronising mouth is. I've taken on a second job, largely because I can't keep my household and my life going (and keep the mortgage repayments up) and still keep the direct debits/standing orders to Scope/Oxfam/Barnardos et al going unless I do, so I work fifty hours a week as a 'lawyer' and work weekends in the pub. Life's tough that way, go fucking figure. I gave ten percent of my profit share this year to charity, and made damned sure I knew where it was going. This is not some holier than though shit. I cannot be assured that my taxes will go where I think they should, so I am forced to put up more money (above and beyond tax etc) so that I can feel useful.

If you don't want to buy the single, don't. Like someone said, spend the money donating to a good cause you're happy with. Take the piss out of our 2004 Band Aiders all you want, but any publicity, even the cheap Heat magazine type, is publicity this song could use. I'm buying it and hoping it goes to Xmas number one in the UK. Nothing fucking else deserves to get this much hype.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
03:20 / 21.11.04
There's my two cents. I'm sure there's some fucknut with a sneer all ready and waiting. Go fucking nuts, asshole. Then go buy yourself the new album/video game you've been lusting after for the last few months. This young professional on a good south-of-england-wage will be sitting here trying to figure out whether I can afford to eat properly this week, having only just gotten back from a back-breaking evening at work. You fucking hypocrites.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:20 / 21.11.04
I AM TEH MARTYR!!!!!1!!!1!!!!

...and I am that fucknut. So, yeah, obviously exhausted and pissed off when I got home this morning. I'm gonna leave those posts up 'cause, although the tone is off about forty degrees and you can clearly hear a high-pitched whine in the background when you read it back (what I like most is the amusing irony that, although I am berating people for not putting their money where their mouths are - a statement I have no evidence for, and no way of verifying - I am clearly deeply frustrated and unhappy with my own level of involvement, and obviously wish I wasn't involved at all) - I think the argument is still a valid one. People tend to put down the Band Aid records, but preface it with the "Of course it's difficult to argue with something that could raise so much money for charity..." spiel and then, having covered themselves, proceed to do just that. Why? Just accept it for what it is - a slab of cheese that might save lives. Who cares whether Bono's a wanker?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:40 / 21.11.04
I think you've kind of got a point. I mean, it's pretty clear that no one knew why they did Band Aid in the first place except for Midge Ure and Geldoff. Ure admits it's a terrible song. I don't have a problem with the original version, if no one knew what they were doing than they didn't know. I do have a problem with the new version though because it's pretty obvious twenty years on what's wrong with the song they're singing and they could have written something different and better.

Also you know it's not going to be the trash it was first time round- it's not going to sound like a really bad congregation belting something out about Christmas when they only go to church once a year if that, which is about the only charm the original had going for it. All the insane spontaneity will be gone and what's left? A really, really bad song.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:41 / 21.11.04
The thing is, Jack, once you take away the "I bet none of you give anything to charity (unlike me) and so have no right to criticise this song" element of your posts above (which I'm relieved you've retracted before things could get ugly), I'm not sure what you're saying that's any different to what most other people have said in this thread. It's shit, but it's for a good cause. It's for a good cause, but it's shit. You seem to be assuming that there's a general consensus here that it's so shit that everyone wishes it wasn't happening at all, whereas several people have actually said that they hope lots of money is raised. And Gambit's suggestion of donating the equivalent sum to the charity of your choice seems as good an answer as any to what I think is your strongest point - that people should buy it anyway, even if they hate it and are never going to listen to it. I certainly think it's impossible to argue with the claim that people should do one of the two.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:50 / 21.11.04
But still, it was good of you to presume that we weren't already doing that.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:32 / 21.11.04
Caught an item on the news about this (my only exposure to it thus far) and they completely airbrushed out Band Aid 2 (the Stock Aitken & Waterman mafia one). You can't ret-con Big Fun and Sonja people. They're eternal.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:40 / 22.11.04
I've just watched the video on MTV, and purely on aesthetic grounds, all moral considerations left to one side, it was truly awful. I don't know where to start really, I still feel a bit disorientated by the total dreadfulness of it all, but there was Chris Martin's weepy eyes and crypto-Sting hairdo - he cares more than you do, folks - and that fucking hobbit from Keane playing the drums in his scarf, there was Thom Yorke rocking out on the piano ( that was... that was particularly bad, ) and Damien from Blur's knowing but confrontational wink at the camera - " Didn't think I'd be here, didya, " he seems to be saying " Seeing as I've spent a lot of my career slagging the shit out of this kind of thing, but you were wrong ! I'm unpredictable ! " And that shoe-horned-in rap by Dizzee Rascal, just the presence of Dido, and Bongio from U2 making even more of an arse of himself than he did the last time round, which I can't say I thought was conceptually possible.

And then there's the bit where they all watch TV. It's a downer of course, seeing all that poverty, until Justin from The Darkness takes over on guitar and everyone's happy again, all those disturbing images of weird, starving kids having been banished by the power of pop.

Just taken as a video, it looks like something you'd make if you genuinely hated the Band Aid concept and everyone in it, and actually wanted the single to fail.
 
 
Loomis
07:26 / 22.11.04
Has anyone seen the "making of" show presented by Midge Ure? Lots of 80s nostalgia. A particular highlight was Boy George attempting to out George Michael.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:47 / 22.11.04
Well, no, Fly. What we have is a lot of people agreeing that the song isn't a good one, and that the new arrangement/performance isn't an improvement on either the original or the SAW version. We also have a lot of people advising that the motivations for everyone doing it are incredibly suspect, that they can't imagine why Dizzee Rascal/Thom Yorke are involved (because they have musical credibility, do you see? Not like that hobbit out of Keane and weepy Chris Martin!), and that it's all quite cynical an nasty really, isn't it?

I think actually, what's cynical and nasty is assuming the motivations of the people involved with tiny amounts of evidence. Look who's getting the most publicity out of this - U2 (who're going to sell millions of their new album and get a shitting shedload of publicity irrespective of Bon's involvement in Band aid 20), Robbie Williams (greatest hits selling like you'd expect the greatest hits of one of the biggest selling artists of his generation to sell), Coldplay, Keane and the Darkness, (none of whom need publicity for anything as they've had a fantastic 2004 in terms of sales, etc), Dizzee Rascal (just won the Mercury music prize and released a crtically acclaimed second album, which may possibly have gotten him more attention that providing a rap for 'Feed The World III')... we've also got a few hangers on, most of whom aren't really promoting anything right now, and who aren't mentioned by name in the song or in the video, just in the accompanying media articles, which lasted for, what, three days? Any publicist worth the name could get the same number of media mentions for a lot less than two days of effort on the part of the star, and ze'd probably save it for when there was a product to hawk...

'Feed The World III' is no more or less cheesy and smug than any other celebrity charity record or TV show. Celebrities are involved in this kind of stuff twice a year all over UK TV in the Children In Need and Comic Relief telethons and accompanying media blitzs, but you don't get this level of contempt with them, and the level of writing craft/performance quality on CIN or CR is just as wobbly as it is on this single.

Spatula: ...It felt like a steaming pile of pompous, self-righteous mullets shedding crocodile tears while dollar signs lit up in their agents' eyes and made 'kerching!' noises. Blue Peter ran a middle class guiltometer and lots and lots of white people joined up to the "sponsor a poor, homeless, orphan black child" scheme in order to demonstrate that they understood. Oh, hang on. I seem to be talking about this time around, too.

See, this post is why I assumed you, for example, weren't paying Band Aid the blindest bit of attention. Not an unreasonable assumption, really, considering your contribution to the thread was to spit a load of unconsidered invective at anyone associated with Band Aid past, present and probably future.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:51 / 22.11.04
they have musical credibility, do you see ?

It's not so much a question of musical credibility, Jack, whatever *that* means, it's more that when somebody like Thom Yorke, who's spent a large part of the last ten years carefully constructing an image that's more or less predicated on opposition to events like Band Aid ( which I'd be very surprised to find he hasn't laid into at some point in his career, ) then shows up in the video jamming with Paul McCartney, it's a bit of what the fuck moment, you know ?

I suspect most people are involved in this for the obvious reasons, nostalgia for the first one, a general feeling that it's *a good thing to do,* I'm not sure their motives are any more sinister than that. But the posturing in the video really is quite distasteful, and while it's well and good if this raises money, it certainly doesn't seem to be raising awareness of a situation that's far more politically complicated than the famine in Ethiopia was, and in which to a fairly large extent we are all implicated. Arguably, something like Band Aid shouldn't be used as a political soapbox, but on the other hand, to try and pretend that what's going on in Africa isn't at least partly happening because of Western interests seems disingenuous, to put it mildly.
 
  

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