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Christopher Hyatt

 
  

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Benny the Ball
16:56 / 16.11.04
I was recommended a couple of books by Christopher Hyatt on Amazon recently. I know that the recommend's pattern isn't the greatest, just vague linking, but has anyone read anything by him. If so, what's it all about?

I've copied this over from Books, as I don't know how to move a topic, so sorry for the duplication.
 
 
rising and revolving
17:02 / 16.11.04
His books tend to piss me off. I'm pretty sure that's his intent - but it still pisses me off. They're supposed to be "paradigm shattering" and maybe they are, sometimes. I tend to find his writing self-indulgent and too filled with self-congratulation regarding the fact he used to know Regardie.

That said, lots of people rave about Undoing Yourself with Energised Mediation, which I've not read - so that could be worth a look-see.

And hey, challenging isn't necessarily bad. I just find they go over the line, personally. He's like Robert Anton Wilson lite.
 
 
Z. deScathach
17:46 / 16.11.04
Undoing Yourself with Energised Meditation I found to be quite useful in terms of it's techniques, but other then that, it's a straight forward harangue on the necessity to deconstruct one's personal reality. That having been said, I liked the book. The Psychopath's Bible, however, was quite unimpressive. I found it's continuous "use or be used" strategy to get boring quite fast. It also was rambling and confusing as well. As far as his other work, I haven't read them.
 
 
gale
17:53 / 16.11.04
Christopher Hyatt annoys me as well.

If you haven't read any Robert Anton Wilson yet, I would read him instead. He's a lot friendlier, and gets you to think without making you feel stupid. If you have read Wilson and are familiar with Leary's 8-circuit model, don't bother with Hyatt--I really don't think you'll learn anything new. Or at least try and get his books from the library, instead of buying them.
 
 
LykeX
18:35 / 16.11.04
I get the feeling that Hyatt is constantly laughing at you, and if you don't appreciate his particular brand of humour, I can see it getting on your nerves very quickly. Personally, I like it.
I read Tantra Without Tears not long ago and thought it was quite good. Not as disorienting and rambling as some of his other stuff, and with some practical advice to go along with the theory too. I recommend it.
 
 
Eskay Doss
18:42 / 16.11.04
Hyatt is not a cup of tea that will please most people. His style can be rather brash, but there is depth and richness if you get past the surface muck. He and RAW are influenced by many of the same sources, so naturally there will be some overlap, but they are very different people so their perspectives on the same subjets are quite different.

I recommend reading Hyatt IN ADDITION to RAW. "The Psychopath's Bible", for example, offers great insight into the psychology of the first 4 circuits (see "Prometheus Rising" & "Quantum Psychology" for more on them). It says nothing of transcending them, true, and so the book can seem rather cold and cruel, but I would say it is still worth checking out.

"To Lie Is Human" (Formerly "Tree of Lies") is my personal favorite. The way it tears down a lot of the dellusions and glamours of Western culture is both hilarious and disturbing. It was first published over a decade ago but it is more relevant than ever. Good fun and highly recommended.

"Undoing Yourself..." is actually my least favorite. Good exercises though, so if you plan on practicing them check this out. If what you want is a good read however, check out "Tree of Lies" instead.
 
 
betty woo
18:48 / 16.11.04
Hyatt alternately annoys and amuses me, depending on my mood. His work obsesses about the need to deconstruct personal paradigms, and yet he appears consistantly unable to get past his own virulent hatred of Christianity/Christians. As such, I have to take him with an enormous grain of salt, since he's apparently not been too successful in practicing what he preaches.

"Urban Voodoo" is, despite the title, actually about Santeria; if you don't mind that Hyatt & his co-author seem incapable of telling the difference, there's some interesting stuff in there.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:12 / 16.11.04
Thanks all, I have been reading quite a lot of RAW for the last couple of years (well, it took me agaes to read Illuminatus, then I moved onto his non-fiction titles) and really like his stuff, find it both interesting and fun.

I think I'll have a look at the local library (they're actually not too bad, had Blavatsky and Bailey books there, which is interesting as they are a tiny local council library) and try a couple.
 
 
illmatic
07:31 / 17.11.04
I read Tantra Without Tears not long ago and thought it was quite good

I've taken to refering to this book as Tantra without content which probably tells you what I think of it. Absolutely FUCK ALL to do with traditonal tantra, but hey, books about Tantra are selling at the mo, ain't they? Churn one out. And don't waste your time filling up those pages!

Most of the material in Hyatt's book is an easily digestable rehash of Golden Dawn material which he picked up off Israel Regardie, I'm assuming. As such, I think they're okay if you're actually going to bother to do the work, like most occult books. The neo-Reichian exercises in "Energised Meditation" defintely come from Regardie, and are quite simply, fucking awesome. Rip out those six pages, burn the book and practise them in conjuntion with reading Wilhelm Reich. That way you'll get something tangible out of them.
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:46 / 17.11.04
Should I read Reich first?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:13 / 17.11.04
The "Urban Voodoo" book is appalling in the worst cash-in, we don't really know much about the subject but it'll probably sell, sort of way. It's 20% uninformed Santeria, 40% Jason Black telling spooky ghost stories (because hey, voodoo can be scary, ghosts are scary, that'll fill up a few pages) and 40% Hyatt on his usual kick about the evils of Christianity... conveniantly overlooking the fact that most Haitian Vodouisants would also consider themselves devout Catholics, and many branches of Santeria are more or less heretical forms of Catholicism...
 
 
_Boboss
08:18 / 17.11.04
i think what annoys me most about christopher hyatt - apart from what's been said by others upthread - is that jason black guy. he clearly can't draw or paint for shit.
 
 
illmatic
08:31 / 17.11.04
Should I read Reich first?

Up to you really. I find Reich's work is the kind of thing I still pick up now, ten years or so after I first got interested in it, and still find new insights in. It's a tougher read, but a lot richer. Very rarely even open the Chris Hyatt book, now I've got the exercises pretty much memorised. However, you don't need to read Reich to do the exercises.
 
 
rising and revolving
12:27 / 17.11.04
Actually, now that everyone mentions it, that's one of the things that pisses me off. Every single book he's ever been involved with seems to be a flat out lie.

Urban Voodoo - not really voodoo. Tantra Without Tears - not really Tantra. Enochian Sex Magic - Enochian for dummies, plus three pages on sex. Psychopaths Bible - NOT ACTUALLY THE BIBLE!

It's almost impossible not to feel like you've been marketed too, really.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:07 / 17.11.04
Hmm. Well the only thing I've read is The Psychopath's Bible, which I pretty much took as a joke at the time - All the posturing to do with it being an EVIL BOOK, which you SHOULD NOT READ reminded me a bit of the start of Maldoror, or some of Stuart Home's stuff, ie, presumably not to be taken entirely at face value.

But if all Hyatt's books are like that, he's either a twat of fairly epic proportions, or a reasonably accomplished put-on artist, and whichever way really, probably not to be trusted.

Which I find a bit odd, as I've always had the impression Hyatt's quite well-regarded in the circles he moves in - the edition I've got of The Psychopath's Bible has glowing jacket copy from Phil Hine and Peter Carroll, and while it is true to say that if there hasn't been a thread about Peter Carroll in a while I might start one, isn't Phil Hine, at least, someone who's not necessarily a huge fan of Anton Le Vey ?
 
 
Seth
17:51 / 17.11.04
I've read The Psychopath's Bible and some of his contributions to Rebels and Devils. He's without doubt the worst writer with the worst take on those ideas I've ever encountered. Virtually everyone on the Barbelith Temple forum is wiser and more interesting than he is, with the exception of Neon shade. He's round about the same level.
 
 
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21:47 / 17.11.04
Haven't read his other stuff but I enjoyed "Undoing Yourself With Energized Meditation". Mainly for the very good RAW intro.
 
 
hashmal
22:17 / 17.11.04
i think what annoys me most about christopher hyatt - apart from what's been said by others upthread - is that jason black guy. he clearly can't draw or paint for shit

i fully agree. i brought 'rebels and devils' as it looked worthwhile, and a lot of it is. but the jason black 'voo-doo' comic in the middle somewhere is such a waste of space. it contributes nothing at all to the book.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
08:27 / 18.11.04
Critique of "The Psycopath's Bible" presented here
 
 
macrophage
13:25 / 18.11.04
I would say he just writes copy that is he's just out to sell his wares, magick is full of people like this. This is deja vu for me here - magickal non-fiction resides just like other cottage industries. I find his stuff basic I admit his so called voodoo book does not give alot away. Sorta author you would buy in a charity shop if chance would only happen like that!!!
 
 
Unconditional Love
16:21 / 18.11.04
charity shops great for his stuff.
theres a pdf copy of nrjized medication floating about on various p2p networks, dont buy it, try reich as has already been suggested.
 
 
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19:32 / 18.11.04
Virtually everyone on the Barbelith Temple forum is wiser and more interesting than he is, with the exception of Neon shade. He's round about the same level.

You forgot to add yourself Seth simply for being so judgemental! I'm guessing someone has put you up to this, and if they haven't I'd be really interested in how you came to that conclusion.

It's a pretty childish and dumb thing to say considering you don't even know me or most of the other people that post/have posted in here.
 
 
LVX23
19:40 / 18.11.04
Personally, I tend to see extreme individualism as particulary ape-like and unevolved. I think that there's a good balance to be found between individual strength and humanitarian empathy. My main criticism of Satanists and their ilk is that they've taken the easy way out. It takes a lot more strength to act with integrity than it does to act with self-interest. Power in the latter is predicated on breaking human-imposed laws and norms. Power in the former is predicated on breaking evolutionary bonds. You tell me which is harder...

From Gozar...I mean Trouser's link to the Phil Hine review of PTB:

To sum up, then, my contention here is that the ‘psychopath’ and the worldview associated with that ‘ideal type’ are not really as outré – at least in terms of cultural imperatives – as one might initially suppose. On closer examination, one finds that there are elements of American culture that do much to support and validate that perspective. After all, the behavioural characteristics generally associated with psychopaths that seem to hold an attraction – autonomy, emotional distance, detachment, becoming an ‘alpha individual’, control and manipulation of others, etc., are very strong cultural messages in modern society, particularly for men. Charlene Spretnak (States of Grace, 1991) sums this up quite neatly:

“For anyone whose identity is entwined with the patriarchal project of separateness and reactive autonomy – which is a personal choice, not a matter of biological determinism – the cultural history of the West could indeed be viewed as a triumphant progression towards the unencumbered strutting of the existential Lone Cowboy.”

In a similar manner to the PD ethos of ‘success’ using corporate strategies, the idea of identifying with the psychopath provides the lure of clarity and single-mindedness of purpose, obviating any requirement to confront the complexities and ambiguities of modern culture. After all, misanthropy means never having to say you’re sorry.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:05 / 18.11.04
the psychopath>

the fear of feeling, especially those characteristic emotions which are considered weak.

ie love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness, humility, admission of weakness, admission of not being perfect, admission that you fuck up and that its not everyone elses fault all the time.

rationalising emotion rather than feeling emotion, detachment from the body(because the body feels) mind is the only real true reality, and other such beliefs that distance the body from mind.

the psychopath a very frightened scared person that attacks the world, so he or she doesnt have to feel it and deal with all the vulnerability that feeling brings.

the shell of the superman always cracks and the insides are soft, the escapist that cant face himself, keeps focusing on the image, but cant feel himself.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
09:11 / 19.11.04
Hyatt is now editing New Falcon's e-zine - The Digital Falcon - there's an interview with RAW & a few reviews.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
23:21 / 20.11.04
When I read that "use or be used" stuff I often imagine it's Gareth from The Office talking.
 
 
Seth
12:15 / 24.11.04
Just a quickie to apologise to Neon Shade for my comments upthread. Was having a funny five minutes and was lashing out in a number of areas of my life. I was out of line and spoke like a dickhead.

My comments on the what I think of Hyatt's work still stand. Strong dislike for what I've read, never met the person.
 
 
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20:02 / 24.11.04
Thank's Seth and no worries, I'm probably just reaping a little bit of what I sowed with some of my crazy posts when I first got here.
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:57 / 24.11.04
The temple forum is great.

Thanks all for the response, you managed to save me money by making me unwilling to pay for Hyatt's stuff.

On to Riech. I've only encounter him in RAW's stuff, so what would you all recommend by him or about him - did much of his stuff survive?

Thanks again all.
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:26 / 25.11.04
here is an online book by a modern practioner that will introduce you to his ideas....p.s his whole site is worth looking at.
 
 
pornotaxi
17:58 / 25.11.04
Thanks all for the response, you managed to save me money by making me unwilling to pay for Hyatt's stuff.

Undoing Yourself is certainly worth picking up. There must be many fucked up kids in the late eighties early nineties that turned their lives around after absorbing this book. i was certinaly one of them. its right up there with the cosmic trigger.

I also rate the Tree of Lies, if you can get past the misanthropic gloss, which many here seem to have a problem interpreting. its been reprinted lately under another title, to lie is human i think it is, or something like that.
 
 
BARISKIL666
21:39 / 14.12.04
Most of the critisism of Hyatt here is perfectly relevant to a certain degree;but,he is good.I certainly recommend his books.He is a PHD Psychologist,a Reichian student of Regardie's with a few books to his name.This makes him more accompished than 93% of people on this forum?
 
 
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23:38 / 14.12.04
Reich's "Function of the Orgasm" & "Character Analysis" are worth looking into...
 
 
Seth
07:30 / 15.12.04
He is a PHD Psychologist,a Reichian student of Regardie's with a few books to his name.This makes him more accompished than 93% of people on this forum?

You'd think so, wouldn't you?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:07 / 15.12.04
He is a PHD Psychologist,a Reichian student of Regardie's with a few books to his name.This makes him more accompished than 93% of people on this forum?

If you consider academic qualifications, who your mates are, and whether you have a publishing deal to be solid indicators of magical accomplishment, then yeah, I reckon so.
 
  

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