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Very sad news: John Peel dies

 
  

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Saveloy
15:25 / 26.10.04
Fuck. Fuck! Very sad. Shocked, too - I've always imagined that whenever he wasn't recording a programme, Peel would be in a barn in his garden, working his way through a gigantic stack of discs, and it seems impossible that he won't be doing that any more. I can't believe I've heard my last ever Peel show.

I can't believe we'll hear no more about Peel Acres, and The Pig. Fuck, I feel sad for her. I know, I know, it's people we've never met, but what with the shows he recorded at home, and the anecdotes about his family, didn't he make it sound like a really happy bunch of people?

Fly Boy:

"the amazing thing about Peel is that he rarely if ever sounded bitter or smug about all the obscure, genuinely wide-ranging music he loved and the fact that so much of it was neglected by so many others."

Spot on. Peel was an enthusiast, not a preacher (he did crit but very rarely), and that's probably a large part of why he was loved as much as he was respected. Man, I'm going to miss him.


Peel pics
 
 
haus of fraser
15:42 / 26.10.04
possibly his last interview?


HERE

done just under a month ago for to hell with- really fascinating stuff....
 
 
_Boboss
15:48 / 26.10.04
another top peel fact:

y'know the picture of jack ruby shooting oswald? when you see it it's often cropped, but in the full shot, there in the upper right, who do you think the fucker with the beard is ? that's right.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:08 / 26.10.04
It just struck me that Peelie would probably have loved the fact that his death would be the cause of Teenage Kicks getting played on Radio 4's News At Six...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:38 / 26.10.04
From the interview linked to above:

you played status quo - deep down at all tomorrows parties this year - was that a token ironic record or are you a fan?
i always do, its a really good record to dance to. i played it at tribal gathering the other year and about half the people there left the tent in disgust. i hate the snobbery that goes with music - the one i'm trying to find is the one that goes "whatever you want, dur dur dur, whatever you like..." cos i want to put that one in the box as well but i can't find it on vinyl - 45 is what i want. but i like to mix things up a bit and i played it at the big chill this year. its the only time i've been somewhere and they've said "could you play some dull records as we're getting worried about the crowds reaction". and it wasn't me, just the records i was playing, but it was bizarre - like a revivalists meeting. with status quo, everyone looks at each other in disbelief and then goes "fuck it, its a great record to dance to".
 
 
haus of fraser
16:43 / 26.10.04
the full John peel lee harvey oswald story (in his own words...)

Yes, that's right. This was not the day Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby; it was a few days before. Lee Harvey Oswald was presented to the press. He'd been arrested and charged. Earlier on when the assassination first happened, I was working for an insurance company on Central Expressway, so I was able to get into town pretty quickly. I was an office boy and could come-and-go as I pleased, so when the assassination was announced on the P.A. at the office, I just drove into town. I went to the police cordon and told the policeman, "I'm from The Liverpool Echo" and instead of telling me to piss-off, he let me through. It's one of those things that sounds so bizarre. I walked down, I didn't go to the grassy knoll, I just stood on the other side of the road and kind or watched what was going on until frankly it became boring. That's hard to imagine, but it did. After about 40 minutes watching people scurrying about, I then went and made what I'd said retrospectively true and phoned The Liverpool Echo to give them the story, but they weren't terribly interested. I thought, Christ, I've always wanted to get into journalism and here's my chance, I could be The Liverpool Echo's "Man in Dallas," but they didn't care. I was a bit wounded by that, but then that night a mate and I were driving around and there was nothing to do, so I figured we'd go down to police headquarters and see what's going on. We went down there and I asked the police officer what's happening. He said, "there's a press conference in a few minutes," pointing to a flight of steps at the edge of the building. So I said, "Actually, I'm from The Liverpool Echo and this is my photographer," and he let us in, we went down there. I mean, we didn't have a pen or paper or camera between us, but we went in there. It seems so unlikely. We were all standing in this room and they had the identification parade in the basement of this building and they said -- Henry Wade said -- that this is the man that's been charged in the assassination of President Kennedy, and they brought in Lee Harvey Oswald. He stood there looking kind of puzzled and alarmed for a while, and was taken away again. In one of the bits of film of that press conference they show Jack Ruby was in the room -- I had no idea about him at this time -- but in a documentary they showed on British television the camera pans across the room to show him, and in the last few frames me and my friend Bob are standing there looking like tourists.

its very weird but the anecdotal way its told could only be Peely

for the full article & another interview go here
 
 
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17:00 / 26.10.04
Somebody upstairs must have made a mistake.

I'm thinking the same thing too. He HAS to be in a better place right now, he deserves to be. With tunes, lots of them.

My brother just told me and I was gutted aswell. I told him that one thing I always remember about him was when I used to listen to the Rock Show on Radio 1 he'd be on the slot before it and he'd always play one of the craziest, heaviest tunes that you could imagine as he signed off for the night. It was as if the Rock Show had started early. I'm sure he did it for the Rock Show fans aswell, and obviously because he loved the tunes himself.

Peace John, and I hope you have the BIGGEST selection of music up there that you've EVER SEEN.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:28 / 26.10.04
Fuck. Fuck fuck. Everyone's said the things I wanted to, more eloquently.

Listening to R1, playing a great song, by a band from liverpool, a demo tape.

Followed now by ruff drum and bass, which Peelie also loved.

Playing new amazing music, fuck genres... best way to rememeber him....

I can just see him, nodding, in his baggy black jumper.

He loved music, and remained free of the bullshit that most of us get sucked into.

I'm sure I've told millions of you that I met him once. He let me borrow his phone when the train we were on was delayed.

We had a 'bloody trains eh?' conversation, all the while I was thinking 'omgomgomgomgomg it's *HIM*' and trying not to faint.

Noticed I had a badge for a local band, remembered the two demos they'd sent him, *six years ago*. Told me to say hello, they were *thrilled*

He was an absolute gent. We're poorer without him.

The Boss.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
18:09 / 26.10.04
i'm gutted.
He was so excellent on R4's Home Truths too.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:50 / 26.10.04
I must be getting old- it occurred to me earlier that it's Home Truths I'll miss most of all.

Here's to you, John (raises Red Stripe).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:01 / 26.10.04
Does Barbelith have rules on canonisation? Can we make him a saint? With today his day?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:21 / 26.10.04
He seems to be one of the few people in music we (and not just Barbelith) can all agree on. In fact, the only person I'm aware of ever slagging him off was Julie Burchill, which in itself says a lot.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:28 / 26.10.04
Oh, and Momus. Same applies.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
19:39 / 26.10.04
I just heard an old T Rex session where John is so happy to hear Marc Bolan that he describes the sensation like he was 'kissing a girl for the very first time.' He always had the gift, y'know?

He made the world much cooler.

Good 'un, John.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:54 / 26.10.04
Just back from an impromptu 'wake' for the man, and true to form nowt but good things said about him. Haven't actually seen many of my friends *as* upset as that for a while. But happy fun too.

I duetted on 'Edelweiss' with a hombre.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:01 / 26.10.04
Even Warren Ellis is gutted.

I listened to the Radio 4 Front Row special, Andy Kershaw said that his ethos in doing the show wasn't public service broadcasting. "We don't give the public what they want. We give the public what they don't realise they want." Never listened to him as much as I should have, but always assumed he was going to be there. I remember listening to Blur play at Peel Acres, letting them go through his record collection and then getting Flossie to play what they fancied. One track she put on at the wrong speed and he goes "Ah Floss, she's got her old man's skill with the technics there." And I think he'd been a RT columnist for only a short while when his wife had that health scare and it was almost a national story.

See you John, at least now when we storm the gates of heaven we can be sure there'll be good music waiting for us.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:15 / 26.10.04
Also the whole "John Peel Is A Cunt" thing rocked.

Apparently, a few (well, about seventeen or eighteen) years back when Reading used to be mud, metal and Dumpy's Rusty Nuts, the sound went all shit, and there was a near-riot. Peely, DJing, being the trouper he was, said to the crowd "don't break stuff. Take it out on me. I want everyone to chant 'John Peel Is A Cunt'." He said once in an interview that the festival security were getting phone calls from five miles away saying "who is this John Peel fellow and why is he so unpopular?" For the next few years, T-shirts bearing the slogan were a staple of Reading merchandise stalls. I think he actually wore one himself.

Truly a giant among men.

Oh, and oh, and the way he'd always read the football results between bands. Even I thought that was cool. And I fucking hate football.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:16 / 26.10.04
Is anyone else listening to the Radio 1 tribute show? It looks like they are going to skip the talking heads (probably a good plan after Mark E Smith on Newsnight) and just play tracks from Peel's shows...
 
 
Bed Head
21:58 / 26.10.04
Yes. I am. Not sure if Lamaq is channelling John, or making a subconcious pitch for his slot, or if my ears are just playing tricks on me, but I’m hearing a lot of particularly Peely ers and umms between tracks tonight.

Fab show so far, though. Best kind of tribute.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:46 / 26.10.04
And the Pulp cover of Peter Gunn! And now Syd Barrett doing "Gigolo Aunt"...

Incidentally, if anyone wants to hear JP's last show, the recording of the World Service show can be found here.
 
 
Mike Modular
23:52 / 26.10.04
Yeah, what else can I add really...? I too am guilty of taking him for granted and not listening as often as I should have, but I just can't imagine not hearing that voice on the radio ever again.

So, I'm listening to that last ever show and having my own little tribute, as I've just got in from work and missed Lamacq and Newsnight. Did see Andy Kershaw on all the evening news, keeping it together but clearly upset, with notes written on the back of his hand. Never thought I'd hear Kirsty Young mention The Fall on five news...

Spoke to a friend who'd been crying all day. He described JP as his "role model bar none" - how he'd like to be when he's old. And it's an admirable ambition. I can't think of any other music-related deaths in my lifetime that have made me quite this sad. No more Peel Sessions, no more Festive Fifties (?).

John Peel is dead. Long live John Peel!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:55 / 26.10.04
probably a good plan after Mark E Smith on Newsnight

I'm not sure how anybody could have thought that getting MES on would be a good idea, but I like to think that Peel would have got a giggle out of the sudden intrusion of ramshackle amateurism from an ugly bloke into the world of slick presentation and nice suits.

Andy Kershaw was pretty savage about the Beeb's treatment of JP in his comments on Channel 4 News earlier on - there is something pretty cynical about the corporation's sudden recognition of his importance after years of sticking him in terrible schedule slots.
 
 
rizla mission
07:26 / 27.10.04
Yeah, Kershaw on Channel 4 news was shocking - he pretty much straight out accused Radio One of killing him!

Which even I think is going a bit far, and I've been totally up in arms about the marginalisation of Peel's show.

But anyway.. Mark E. Smith on news night must have provided a chuckle, but instead I too was down the pub with fellow music geeks having our own little wake.

I made it through that ok, but I completely choked up when they played a clip of Peel's voice on the radio news this morning.. just realising that I've probably spent HUNDREDS of hours listening to that voice coming out of my radio, rambling on and telling me about stuff, and even though it was obviously a one-way conversation through a radio transmitter, I think somebody on another messageboard was absolutely right in saying "it was like having a friendly old uncle who'd come round for tea three times a week and give you loads of free records".
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:35 / 27.10.04
I know this isn't the place to grumble, but I was pretty annoyed that Newsnight also managed to completely overlook the fact how much dance music, hip hop, etc, Peel played before other people got to grips with it. Oh, I know, they haven't got time to mention everything, but when you're reeling off a list of genres to emphasise the man's achievements, you could take the time to acknowledge one of the most remarkable things about him ie, he never closed up his ears, he loved that horrible racket the kids were making now even if it didn't involve guitars, he once said Elvis would have loved happy hardcore, etc...
 
 
rizla mission
07:56 / 27.10.04
Yeah, definitely... a lot of the obituaries seem to have decided that he was "mr. indie", which is a view I'm sure he would have hated - every year he'd complain about the fact that the festive fifty was dominated by "polite white boys with guitars", and probably at least half of the stuff he's played in the past decade has been techno/hardcore, drum'n'bass, reggae, dancehall, hip-hop, weird electronica etc.

I remember him talking about it in an interview around his 60th birthday - he was saying that he nearly got beaten up for daring to play reggae in the early '70s, and that when he started playing hip-hop in the '80s, a senior-figure-who-shall-not-be-named in the BBC told him to desist on the basis that it was "the music of black criminals". "How things have changed since then", he remarked rather dryly.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:00 / 27.10.04
Radio 4 news made a point of mentioning his championing of hip-hop etc... and they did a Front Row special on him last night (which I missed as I was down the pub also).
 
 
_Boboss
08:19 / 27.10.04
yes a very melancholy day in all - can we just do general peeloid reminiscences and nice stuff for a bit?

my best memory of john peel is glastonbury, i think 1997, after elastica finished a typically choppy set, he played teenage kicks as the last notes faded and it seemed like the whole crowd stayed for three minutes of extra freeform pogoing, he sadi something like it's the first time he'd seen people dance to a record he was playing in thirty years (probably not true that).

worst memory? andy kershaw last night 'they've put me on this graveyard slot and it's killing me'. he goes to peru and has a heart attack while dealing with the jet lag. shit.
 
 
_Boboss
09:40 / 27.10.04
plus, sorry for the clogging but more thoughts that have put this into terrible perspective for me:

dave lee travis - still alive
noel edmonds - still alive
simon bates - still alive
tony blackburn - still alive
fluff freeman - still alive (i think)
johnnie walker - still alive
jim'll saville - still alive

existence of cosmic justice resoundingly disproved.
 
 
haus of fraser
10:43 / 27.10.04
I went home last night and found a couple of festive 50 cassettes and had a listen and got meself all melancholy and sad...

link for the last 20 odd years

its a shame cos all i found was a bit of '93 and a bit of '92 still it was great to be reminded of being a teenager though...
It would be a wonderful wonderful thing if anybody else out there has some and we could compile CD's of the shows - complete with the Peel banter. I loved hearing him introduce Radiohead's Creep in 93 as
'the only record in the festive 50 i have never played- there's no accounting for taste though'

genius...
 
 
Saveloy
11:07 / 27.10.04
"It would be a wonderful wonderful thing if anybody else out there has some and we could compile CD's of the shows - complete with the Peel banter."

Nice idea. I've got about a dozen or more tapes that were recorded in 1986 and '87 (my Never Missed a Peel Show if I Could Help It years - I will always associate Peel most strongly with Bogshed, Big Flame and The Noseflutes) and a couple from somewhere in the 90s. Mostly tracks from the usual shows, rather than the Festive 50. I'm gutted now that I edited out most of the monologues, but I'm sure there must be a couple of bits here and there.

Funnily enough I was looking at 'em only a few days ago and thinking "I must turn these into some kind of CD compilation before they deteriorate any further."

So, yeah, I've got a wodge of stuff from 86 and 87, I'm sure Rizla has a ton from more recent years. Can anyone cover the in-between years, or even pre 86? I know it would be more sensible to trawl cd collections and the web for 'tracks that Peel would have played', but there's something about the idea of using tracks recorded off the show, with the tape hiss and radio interference etc... seems right and proper, and fitting and all that.
 
 
rizla mission
11:44 / 27.10.04
I guess in total I must have around forty 90 min tapes, all from the past 4 years or so I guess.. (in the height of my student boredom I was getting through over one a week). I didn't record whole programmes - basically I'd just hit record whenever I heard something that sounded good and hit stop whenever I remembered, so lots and lots of banter and weirdness and live performances and so on..

(Just hope I don't dig up the lovely bit from last year where he's introducing his newly born grandson on air.. we'll all be blubbering like babies..)
 
 
Spaniel
12:06 / 27.10.04
Praps we should check some peer to peer networks.
 
 
haus of fraser
12:53 / 27.10.04
I will get back to you tomorrow exactly what I have in the way of festive 50- what i listened to last night seems to be mostly '93- i'm not sure if its the whole thing- some of the banter is edited although a lot is still there?

anybody else got festive 50s? or maybe we could make some kid of best of Peel CD- a mix cd but with intros- how easy is it to get a cassette onto a cd?

should this idea be re-posted in creation? Thoughts and help would be great- rizla how far back do your tapes go?

Boboss- i did a brief peer to peer search but mostly its just peel sessions which generally are from CD's- it would be cool to get the shows. Its weird how looking at the festive 50's how much of them has stayed relevant as a time slice from the year...
 
 
illmatic
13:27 / 27.10.04
Coming in late to this one, but I've got to say I'm absolutely devastated. This is the only time I've been anything approaching upset by a celebrity death. What I loved most about John Peel was the way in which he'd somehow managed to slip through the net, and get away with playing this astonshishing diversity of music. I genuinely think he's had an effect in opening up the diversity of music out there in the UK. Last time I heard him was a few months ago, where The Pig was on the decks playing a selection of crazy '40s ballroom dancing records. I don't think I can sum up how massively important and influential he was. He will be sorely, sorely missed.
 
 
Spaniel
14:43 / 27.10.04
Yeah, and you can bet the BBC, for all their eulogising, ain't gonna attempt to replace him.

Not that he could be replaced, but you know what I mean.

On the peer to peer thing. Yep, nadda.
 
  

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