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RIP Jacques Derrida - But What Were You On About?

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:18 / 11.10.04
Derrida died last Friday from pancreatic cancer (Guardian obit here).

But what was he on about? Was deconstruction a means of destroying certainty? Does it have any relevence to you and me in our daily lives?
 
 
Cat Chant
09:45 / 11.10.04
Oh, shit.

I'll get back on the unbelievably crucial nature of deconstruction to our everyday lives and to our understanding of the world once I've absorbed this news a bit. If I knew more about the history of science I'd be able to provide a decent analogy, but... ignoring deconstruction makes me feel the same way Darwinists feel about Creationism.

Fuck, though. Adieu to Jacques Derrida.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:08 / 11.10.04
I think my world just realigned itself, it never occurred to me that Jacques Derrida could die. I just assumed that he was an immortal and now he will never know the torture he put me through. Goodbye my best fiend! I will miss your presence at the corner of the known world!
 
 
Mystery Gypt
15:59 / 11.10.04
there is something uniquely interesting in the fact -- or rather the act -- of derrida dieying as it relates to his work; as if we could pretend for a moment that dying is intentional and it is his final problematic. his work deals with the IMPOSSIBLE, the thing so difficult to comprehend, or to see, or to hold, that it disrupts the system of which it is a part. but how can it be a part of the system if it is impossible? the word APORIA sometimes is meant to express death, just as the closing of a book expresses an impossible end to the writing. death is the part of existence which is both impossible -- completely outside any experience of the living -- and yet necessary, giving a structure to life.

because his work and life teaches us to think a certain way, you can't help but apply those thoughts to his death. deconstruction is the gift that keeps on giving.
 
 
astrojax69
23:05 / 11.10.04
yes, vale jacques derrida...

but really, what are we to make of this summary of his work? and are we to read that his death was a suicide? [intentional] and in what way does the closing of a book express an impossible end to the writing? i'm not sure i follow - when i close a book i have completed reading the words of text and have my understanding of what they have conveyed to me. with some books, i might recall the words or themes or some of my repsonses to the act of reading some time later and have new thoughts and experience emenating from the reading, from the text, but some i find i give no more thought to. and what is impossible about that? i seem to acheive it each time, so it seems not merely possible but actual.

and in what way is death part of existence. isn't it simply the end point of a continuum of existence, so we name that point? it isn't any extra thing, besides life, and besides a name, is it? if so, what?

derrida's canon may teach us to think in a certain way, but i am not sure it is in this way.
 
 
Ex
10:41 / 12.10.04
I'll come back to the interesting death-thoughts later, but...

Does it have any relevence to you and me in our daily lives?

I hope so. I think so. I admit I like Derrida because he suits me, though. Any student of Eng Lit is going to be pleased that there is nothing outside the text (Of Grammatology 1976).

But I still adore the concept that nothing has one intrinsic meaning, and that everything gains meaning only through a particular set of frames of reference, and through interpretative acts (correct me if I'm misreading).
There are holes in my smugness - for example, if you stretch the definition of text far enough to include everything then doesn't the word 'text' becomes fairly meaningless (I'd be delighted if someone can patch this argument)? You could parody it as the far less impressive "there isn't any stuff that isn't connected to other stuff". But 'text' keeps to the forefront that the stuff is all contextual, interpretable and has no fundamental essence.

Is it relevent to everyone else? It's certainly a good tool to have in the conceptual box. Getting rid of the idea of presence and essence facilitates more interesting conversations; conversations which can go on and on and don't end with a brick wall of "Because it just is". And one can look at what things do rather than what they are; possibly this is circular logic, but I think that the latter is a far more productive question.

And apologies if this constitutes threadrot, but I had Derrida-inspired tatoos to remind me that I'm not outside the text; they're on my wrists, and only read A-Z when turned outwards to be seen by other people. When I look at them myself, they're Z-A. It reminds me that other people's interpretations of me as a text may be utterly different from my own.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:51 / 12.10.04
Thanks for mentioning this, Flowers. And I can babble at you later about D.

But partly for now, I feel much as Anna says, that a cornerstone of my world is gone.

Which it isn't, because it would be utterly unDerridean to mourn the man passing and not note that his thought continues to move around the world. But I regret the definite human fact that he will not produce any more of it.

More later on why it feels like a huge loss to me, though.

Although I'm not quite as in symp as Ex with 'there is nothing outside of text' (being primarily counselling/visual culture/history of art!), I am hugely grateful on a personal level for the language/sense he's given me that living in and out of immanence, change, process is doable/desireable/perhaps inevitable.

And for the moment when I first read about his notion of the self as a constant reiteration -I concieve of this as rather like a Muyrbridge zoetrope, if that helps -and suddenly had a way to explain how I could not feel i had a central/inherent self, but yet be very involved/invested in the selves that I felt were going on for me.

But then I'm a counsellor/therapist, and Derrida is a wonderfully freeing and toolkit if narrative therapy is where you're at.

And Ex, that's fascinating about yr tattoos. as I'm talking about why lots of theory/therapy crossers in my exp like Derrida muchly, I'll get mine out in hopefully relevant cause.

I have a johari window, a Transactional Analysis tool, on the back on my neck.

Placement, as with yours is v.important, as I had the idea of having a physical marking on my 'blind spot' years ago.

The window is a graph which represents the movement between our public and private 'selves', and how increasing decreasing self-knowledge affects that.

The tattoo design emphasises the 'blind spot',that which other people 'know' about you but you cannot see, and the whole is very much about the limits of knowing.

And further, the usefulness of unknowing as a tool/practice.

Which for me is a fundamental skill in living where we are right now, and is what unites humanistic counselling, my life, our lives and derrida.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:01 / 12.10.04
if you stretch the definition of text far enough to include everything then doesn't the word 'text' becomes fairly meaningless (I'd be delighted if someone can patch this argument

Oh, and have to dash, but will come back to this, as I think visual culture and counselling both offer useful turns on this...
 
 
Mystery Gypt
17:50 / 13.10.04
my post above about death was meant less as an arument and more just as an emotional response and spark of an idea on thinking about derrida's death. but i can elaborate on it, or at least put it another way, if it was confusing.

archeologists have suggested that humans didn't become aware of their own certain death until the development of language. this in itself, if we run with the hypothesis, sets up an interesting relationship between death, knowledge, and language. derrida, in his The Gift of Death (1995) posits knowledge of mortality as the basis for all form of human limit. death itself, via our awareness of death, gives us the idea of limit. we extrapolate on this idea to create, for example, ethical limits.

one could generalize from the above and claim that the human experience is based on death. without death, experience as we know it, the structure of social / cultural / mental existence would be unrecognizable. therefore experience is based on death. but what is death if not the LACK of experience? in death, experience is impossible. it is impossible for the living to to experience its own nonexistence. life can be said to be based on the very thing it lacks; experienctially, it is based on its own impossibility.

this in itself is a more or less recognizable form of derridean logic. as a sentiment it is amplified by the fact that the man himself has died. there is something resonant in considering the death of a thinker who developed, in his life, the challenge of considering impossibility. that one will die is the very opposite of impossible; but that one will know how to think, in life, about death with any certainty is impossible. derrida's own confrontation with the impossible has now taken its ultimate turn.
 
 
alas
02:00 / 14.10.04
The New York Times obituary for Derrida was appalling--the title gives you a clue: "Jacques Derrida, Abstruse Theorist, Dies at 74." Here's an excerpt: "Toward the end of the 20th century, deconstruction became a code word of intellectual discourse, much as existentialism and structuralism - two other fashionable, slippery philosophies that also emerged from France after World War II - had been before it. Mr. Derrida and his followers were unwilling - some say unable - to define deconstruction with any precision, so it has remained misunderstood, or interpreted in endlessly contradictory ways."

Over 1000 of us signed a letter to the editor of the NYTimes, which is printed in full, here. I'd link to the nytimes but you have to register and the original obit will become archived and only available for $ within a few days. So just trust me--the obit they wrote was dismissive and anti-intellectual, through and through.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
04:05 / 14.10.04
weird. i read it and thought it was pretty cool. very long, thoughtful... i liked it.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:43 / 16.10.04
I know it's bad form to post and run, but was wondering what the Derridaheads made of this article from the Indy during the week...


HEADLINE: WHY I WON'T BE MOURNING DERRIDA
BYLINE: JOHANN HARI

The popularity of Jacques Derrida's philosophy among academics is hard to understand except as a symptom of decadence. Western intellectuals have never been more safe, more comfortable or more free - so they have turned to a wild, often absurd philosopher who trashes the humanities (and any coherent political project) in a search for intellectual stimulation. As he is buried this week, it is time to ask whether his ideas - and the long, agonising postmodern intellectual spasm - should be buried with him.

I have friends who still awake weeping at 3am with nightmares about trying to understand Derrida in time for their final exams. It's true his writing is wilfully obscure, and at times he lapses into gibberish. But in fact, once you learn how to boil down his prose, his ideas are fairly simple - and pernicious.

Derrida believed Western thought has been riddled since the time of Plato by a cancer he called "logocentrism". This is, at its core, the assumption that language describes the world in a fairly transparent way. You might think that the words you use are impartial tools for understanding the world - but this is, Derrida argued, a delusion. If I describe, say, Charles Manson as "mad", many people would assume I was describing an objective state called "madness" that exists in the world. Derrida would say the idea of "madness" is just a floating concept, a "signifier", that makes little sense except in relation to other words. The thing out there - the actual madness, the "signified" - is almost impossible to grasp; we are lost in a sea of words that prevent us from actually experiencing reality directly.

Derrida wants to break down the belief that there is an objective external reality connected to our words, a world "out there" that can be explored through language, science and rationality. There are, he said, no universal truths, no progress and ultimately no sense, only "decentred", small stories that are often silenced by a search for rationality and consistency.

The Enlightenment - the 18th century tradition that gave us our notions of rationality and progress - is just another empty narrative, a sweet set of delusions.

So the whole foundation our culture is built on - the absolutely fundamental assumptions we act on every day - are rotten. All we can hope for is to establish a "metaphysics of presence", where we try to clear the clutter of language from our minds and experience a few things directly and purely. Derrida's method for destroying language is deconstruction - a technique that makes us see that "signifiers" are so ambiguous and shifting that they can mean anything or nothing.

Derrida was, in short, the mad axeman of Western philosophy. He tried to hack apart the very basis of our thought - language, reason and the attempt to tell big stories about how we became as we are. All we are left with - if we accept Derrida's conclusions - is puzzled silence and irony. If reason is just another language game, if our words don't match anything out there in the world - what can we do except sink into nihilism, or turn to the supernatural?

The deconstructionist virus has swept through the humanities departments of universities across Europe and America. But the best way to demonstrate the intellectual collapse this has caused is by looking at the impact of postmodernism on fiction. Modernist fiction - for all its flaws - engaged with the world. At its best, it even tried to change it: John Steinbeck hitched a wagon across Depression-scarred California and found a family that became the subject for The Grapes of Wrath.

Compare that to postmodernist fiction, a form of torture so heinous that it surely contravenes the Geneva Convention. Look at the execrable novels of Don DeLillo or David Foster Wallace, trapped in self-referential Derridan word-games and irrelevance while a world warms and wails outside their pages. The critic Dale Peck has described the postmodern implosion of the novel perfectly: "This is a tradition that has systematically divested itself of any ability to comment on anything other than its own inability to comment on anything."

Now magnify that effect across the humanities: imagine this deflation happening in anthropology, sociology, philosophy ... you get the idea. There is nothing more depressing than meeting smart graduate students who should be researching really important subjects, only to find they are writing a postmodern deconstruction of the idea of happiness or wealth or human rights, or a thesis with a name like "Is Anthropology Really Possible in Post-Modern Space?". The passivity and irrelevance of European intellectuals and American universities over the past three decades is largely due to the wrong turn they have taken into masturbatory post-modernism.

To be fair to him, late in his life Derrida seems to have begun to understand the terrible forces of ultra-scepticism he unleashed. Very few people can actually bear to be nihilists; very few people can preach a message of paralysis and despair for long. So Derrida declared in the early 1990s that there are some "infinitely irreducible" ideas that should not be deconstructed - particularly justice and friendship.

But it was too late. Derrida had vandalised all the tools he could have used to make a case for justice. If reason is worthless, if words are mere symbols in a void, how can he suddenly call a halt to the process of deconstruction when it comes to one particular value he happens to like? Is his use of the word "justice" somehow immune to all the rules he spent his career articulating? Derrida was left making the preposterous case that justice is a "Messianic" concept that would somehow be revealed to us once we stripped away language and reason.

Oh, please. I suppose it's touching that Derrida made a tragic final attempt to chain his own decontructionist beast. But the time for him to dissociate himself from nihilism was decades earlier, when he first launched the idea of deconstruction.

Buried in his philosophy there are small nuggets of insight: that the structure of language determines our thought much more than we previously understood, and that grand narratives are inherently dangerous. Derrida could have drawn the same conclusions from this at the start of his career: that we should show a greater degree of
scepticism both toward language and narratives than before. But Derrida always promoted a far more shrill and silly agenda. He concluded that we have to tear apart the Western tradition and start again from Plato.

And build what? Derrida neglected to discuss alternatives except in language so opaque it is impossible to decipher. His "metaphysics of presence" are incomprehensible. In the real world, the alternatives to reason (Divine revelation? Superstition? Pure will? Despair?) are even more flawed and even less likely to lead to the "liberation" Derrida claims to seek.

Enough. No hungry person ever pined for deconstruction; no tyrannised person ever felt they were trapped in a language game. When there are urgent crises in the world that need serious intellectual application, it is faintly disgusting for intellectuals to spend time arguing about whether the world is really there at all or whether it can ever be described in language. Perhaps there is a space for a continuing debate about post- modern thought in the more obscure philosophy departments - but to allow it to dominate so much of the humanities, as it has for decades, is almost pathologically deranged. Academics, novelists and
serious thinkers have been parked in the Derridan dead-end for too long.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:55 / 18.10.04
My knowledge of Derrida is extremely limited, but I recognise a reactionary piece of anti-intellectualism when I see it. And Johann Hari, I see you baby. In fact, what's most interesting to me as someone who is relatively unfamiliar with Derrida, is the extent to which his death has provided a useful reference point for separating the sheep from the goats: those who have rubbished his work have so far all been either previously established reactionaries (Julie Burchill, Ivan Massow) or have revealed this in the other assumptions expressed in said rubbishing. This in turn leads me to conclude that Derrida is as important as his devotees claim - his work certainly seems to threaten both individuals and schools of thought that I wish to see threatened.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:17 / 18.10.04
Hari clearly knows what he's talking about- So Derrida declared in the early 1990s that there are some "infinitely irreducible" ideas that should not be deconstructed - particularly justice and friendship. I mean this was a huge u-turn and it did Derrida no favours because it made no sense. His earlier work continues to stand up as better and far, far more interesting. I don't agree that deconstruction is crap but Hari is critiquing the problems that actually lie within Derrida's work and that's fair game.
 
 
Ex
13:18 / 18.10.04
No hungry person ever pined for deconstruction; no tyrannised person ever felt they were trapped in a language game.

...nobody has ever had their oppression justified by the discourses and taxonomies of race - a system of language that defended itself by the idea that race was in fact natural, innate and observable and only reflected in the language that described it...

...oh, hang on, they did.
I mean, bloody hell. I'm not neglecting the role of violence and crop failure - but I suggest that people rarely become hungry and tyrannised without a bunch of discursive groundwork.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
13:23 / 18.10.04
Anna - not quite correct I think - derrida's 'the politics of friendship' or the book of obitury notices... (my own favorites being the Lyotard one.) both deal with areas that your note suggests cannot be deconstructed. Whilst I tend to agree that the early work is more challenging - it's not until the late work that you can understand why he felt unable to openly discuss Marxism. As a consequence it becomes clear that he was unable to live within his own deconstructive logic - otherwise he would have been capable of discussing both 'actually existing communism' and 'communism/marxism'. The moment of real intellectual loss is probably the relgious turn of the post-secular work...

All in all probably not as important philosopher as some others I can think of in the same generation...

see uou later
 
 
sdv (non-human)
13:25 / 18.10.04
Bush loses...

From Fanon to Spivak they'd all agree with you...

laughs
 
 
sdv (non-human)
13:29 / 18.10.04
Don't deride Derrida:
Academics are wrong to rubbish the philosopher

Given the posting of that idiot Hari's piece try reading Eagleton's piece instead.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1327834,00.html

bye off to silence again...
s
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:17 / 18.10.04
Hmm. On one level Johann Hari is indeed applying himself to the problems of late Derrideanism, although much more of his critique is addressed to his personal dislike of Derrida, it seems. Also, he has made the fatal mistake of assuming that, because he and his clever chums cannot understand something, it cannot be understood – he complains that “his 'metaphysics of presence' are incomprehensible”, in a statement that is itself incomprehensible. Does he mean JD's metaphysics of presence, or his discussion of the metaphysics of presence? Are the scarequotes to distinguish D's “metaphysics of presence” from Heidegger's “metaphysics of presence”? Or just to show that they are so incomprehensible that they need to be located outside the structure of the sentence?

Look at the execrable novels of Don DeLillo or David Foster Wallace, trapped in self-referential Derridan word-games and irrelevance while a world warms and wails outside their pages.

And again, I have a real problem with what is being stated here. First, because Derridais is here being made responsible for a pair of novelists, when to the best of my knowledge he has never written a novel. Second, because he is being made responsible not just solely for deconstruction, but also for the entire postmodern project. Finally, because he is asking us to agree that David Foster Wallace and Don DeLillo are shit, and that the fact that they are shit is Derrida's fault, without really giving us a convincing reason why. Finally, of course, because Wallace and DeLillo's novels would have just as warming and as wailing a world outside their pages if they were two-fisted cowboy tales, so I don't see Derrida's culpability for global warming as a given.

Enough. No hungry person ever pined for deconstruction; no tyrannised person ever felt they were trapped in a language game. When there are urgent crises in the world that need serious intellectual application, it is faintly disgusting for intellectuals to spend time arguing about whether the world is really there at all or whether it can ever be described in language.

Again, this is a highly dubious statement on a number of levels. For one, it assumes that it is the job of “intellectuals” to solve the world's problems – a highly dubious statement. Second, it assumes that Derrida's failure to solve these problems is singularly his sin, and that if it were not for him, the intellectuals would by now have worked out a solution to the world's problems. First, this mendaciously implies that Derrida was non-political. He was not. I saw him lecture on the lie in 97, IIRC, and much of his discussionwas dedicated to the use of the lie and the idea of the lie in supporting Western hegemony, when Johann Hari was still the youngest ever leader of the Liberal Democrats, or whatever he was doing back then. Ultimately, to apply the “famine rule” - has this person/doctrine/Johann Hari editorial cured world hunger? - with the suggestion that if it does not pass it is worthless – is the hack's equivalent of Godwin's law, and about as useful. It seems an oddly heroising approach to the academy to suggest that it could be ending war if it only put its mind to it – it simultaneously massively overestimates the temporal power of the institution and massively underestimates, IMHO, the uses to which the findings of the academy can be put. Since Derrida was never likely to discover a way to create free hydrogen fuel, I don't see the creation of an ideology placing massive importance on critical examination and understanding, as exemplified by Ex above, of dominant narrative necessarily makes Derrida responsible for humanity's ongoing social problems any more than it makes him responsible for de Man's collaborationist hisotry. He was certainly affected by both...
 
 
Linus Dunce
20:15 / 18.10.04
So, is the consensus that Hari's reading of Derrida is wrong?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
00:21 / 19.10.04
There are a couple of other laughably disgusting obits floating around:

Jacques Derrida, R.I.P (by John J. Miller and Mark
Molesky)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:21 / 19.10.04
Linus: At the risk of chaneling, I don't think "wrong" is a useful tool here. If Johann Hari had said "Derrida was born in Fresia in 1921", that would be wrong, in the sense of factually incorrect. I think the problem with Hari's article is, conveniently, that it rests on a number of assumptions about what thought is for, what philosophy is for, what academia is for and what human life is for that remain unexamined through the text and as such the conclusion, that Derrida did not do what *Derrida* is for, is poorly-argued, and in other places bad writing is used to avoid commitment to a position.
 
 
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13:03 / 19.10.04
I know nothing of Derrida except for bits I've read in this forum, but I know enough just from Hari's rant to see that some of Derrida's ideas are almost Buddhist, or Eastern in a sense. I don't like the way Hari seems to make assumptions either, as if psychic :

Academics, novelists and
serious thinkers have been parked in the Derridan dead-end for too long.


There's no reason to believe that anybody is parked in a dead end. How can he know he's right with any certainty at all? That whole thing by Hari reeks of hate to me.

I'm really interested in some of those ideas about language and words from Derrida, where should an absolute beginner start with him? Can anybody help?

He seems like a person who really examined and questioned himself and the world around him. Sounds like his work is really interesting, especially if people like Hari are going to those types of extremes, he seems like a person that is fighting for the wrong side, like someone who can't grasp the depth of the ideas that Derrida had. Like his lack of insight winds him up and leads him to write angry and bitter rants like that, it's pretty sad really.

So the whole foundation our culture is built on - the absolutely fundamental assumptions we act on every day - are rotten.

The assumptions that we act on every day have led us into the situation that we have now, so maybe they are rotten to an extent. Why he can't see this at all I don't know.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:20 / 19.10.04
he seems like a person that is fighting for the wrong side, like someone who can't grasp the depth of the ideas that Derrida had. Like his lack of insight winds him up and leads him to write angry and bitter rants like that, it's pretty sad really.

What did you just do, exactly, Frosty. What exactly did you just do?

As for an introduction to Derrida... On Grammatology is often considered to be a good place to start, but you may find it a bit of a slog... Also, I would say that some knowledge of Heidegger is pretty key to getting on with Derrida, but I know others are not so insistent on that... Anna de L, your relationship with Derrida as a student is probably the most recent - any good introductory textbooks you can recommend?
 
 
Loomis
14:06 / 19.10.04
I would recommend a couple of articles, "Différance" and "Signature Event Context", as a good introduction. They are both short and encapsulate some important ideas. I've only read a few works by Derrida, but they have had a great influence on my thinking about language.

I find the Hari article mildly ridiculous for the same reasons given by other posters. He exemplifies some of the common traits of the anti-Derrida camp, using a small piece of knowledge to make shrieking sensationalist conclusions about the end of philosophy.

All we are left with - if we accept Derrida's conclusions - is puzzled silence and irony. If reason is just another language game, if our words don't match anything out there in the world - what can we do except sink into nihilism, or turn to the supernatural?

This is one of the biggest fallacies of the anti-Derrida school. They assume that to agree with Derrida is to give up on language, whereas I think the opposite is true. Derrida has opened up the play of language and clearly delights in exploring its possibilities, expressing his delight in following the slippery paths of language. I suppose it comes down to your approach. You can take the fundamental impossibility of direct communication as a positive thing and explore its implications and the opportunities for multiple meaning, or you can take it as a negative thing, mourning the fact that communication is not transparent and hating the man who spread that message.
 
 
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14:26 / 19.10.04
What did you just do, exactly, Frosty. What exactly did you just do?

I let Hari wind me up I guess.

Thanks for the suggestions anyway, I'll keep an eye out for any of his works.
 
 
Linus Dunce
21:32 / 19.10.04
Haus, channel away! What are Hari's unexamined assumptions?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:57 / 19.10.04
Linus, I think I answered that in my post above. Is there something missing from that, or something you'd like to discuss further?
 
 
at the scarwash
06:18 / 20.10.04
Well, I won't pretend that I have a very deep understanding of Derrida's thought, but I feel that I do know enough to say that I feel that Hari's article is mean-spirited and--i think--flawed.

First and foremost, if you feel that the central problem with the man's work is that it compells us to ignore the world "warming and wailing" etc., then why is it okay to dance upon the grave of a man who was greatly loved, whose presence will be truly missed by those who knew him, as well as many for whom he provided a unique set of tools for understanding things. Dancing upon a man's grave before he's quite cold doesn't seem at all in touch with said world.

Secondly, and perhaps more irrelevantly, David Foster Wallace is not a postmodernist. Infinite Jest is ultimately a very modern novel, in my opinion. As well as a very sympathetic work, and in many ways as sentimental as a greeting card. Certainly not a work caught up solely in tortured linguistic games.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:52 / 20.10.04
Well the bit about novels is possibly the most mean-spirited and poorly 'argued' bit of an article filled with competition, really. Haus has covered this already but it bears repeating: in the first place he's writing off two authors in an extremely misleading manner - I could describe Underworld as the story of a man's life in America in the 20th century, or a book that charts the progress of a baseball as it is passed from person to person during the same frame of time - and obviously these are inadequate descriptions because, y'know, it's a long book, but very little of it is about word-games. Worst still is the idea that modernist fiction - or any fiction for that matter - is somehow more 'real', which is on a par with the idea that a guitar is a real instrument and a computer is not (and I'd argue comes from the same place).

Okay, I think we've probably given Hari and his ilk far more attention and space than they deserve...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:07 / 20.10.04
Derrida believed Western thought has been riddled since the time of Plato by a cancer he called "logocentrism". This is, at its core, the assumption that language describes the world in a fairly transparent way. You might think that the words you use are impartial tools for understanding the world - but this is, Derrida argued, a delusion. If I describe, say, Charles Manson as "mad", many people would assume I was describing an objective state called "madness" that exists in the world. Derrida would say the idea of "madness" is just a floating concept, a "signifier", that makes little sense except in relation to other words. The thing out there - the actual madness, the "signified" - is almost impossible to grasp; we are lost in a sea of words that prevent us from actually experiencing reality directly.

Is this a fair summary of one of Derrida's ideas? Because if it is I really can't see the problem. Is Hari really saying there's an actual state of 'mad' which all mentally ill people share? Because that just sounds crazy...

(Off Topic: Johann Hari.com, all snuggled into my Favourites folder next to Melanie Phillips.com)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:43 / 20.10.04
As I understand it - again, from secondhand sources, so I'd better go and cop On Grammatology - you've hit the nail on the head. Hari is appealing to an idea of "common sense" that says something like this: "Words mean something which we all agree that they mean - something REAL. Anyone who uses words to mean anything else is just twisting things. Anyone who points out the difference in how we each interpret words is just splitting hairs. Anyone who questions where we get our shared definitions from - who decides/decided, and to what end? - is engaging in political correctness gone mad." Fortunately, this "common sense" is now less dominant or pervasive than Hari would like to believe, presumably thanks in large part to Derrida's influence.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:54 / 20.10.04
I think it's more a summary of de Saussure, which is quite interesting - Derrida here is doing duty for a strain of Western literary thought that really precedes him. It's a lot like Socrates in "The Clouds" doing duty for all the strains of rhetorical and philosophical thought going on in Athens at the time...

Although the idea above that there is no Platonic "madness" which all people can be said accurately to be partaking of if they are "mad" is an important one, it's a *structuralist* rather than a *deconstructionist* doctrine. Derrida, from my profoundly limited understanding, then takes that and argues that, even if one accepts that, it often makes no difference because there is an inscribed mode of interpreting the idea of madness that has through dominance attempted to install itself as precisely the absolute Hari is describing, but is in fact just a very loud possible valency, which is resistnat to analysis (decontruction) precisely because it depends for its strength on acceptance. This does not mean that "mad" means nothing - it means that every use of "mad" is a negotiation between user and recipient. In many cases this is quite an easy negotiation - we could talk about Heidegger here - but at other times it's quite important.

So, "this man is mad" said by a doctor in a clinical environment requires a different negotiation to "I'm mad, me" in an office environment, and both require a different negotiation to, say, the description of Saddam Hussein as a "madman" by Bill O'Reilly - which, incidentally, is back to the idea of deconstruction as inimical to political engagement...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:41 / 20.10.04
So, is the consensus that Hari's reading of Derrida is wrong?

Only the bits where he starts to personally attack, the basic descriptions are sound. I don't mind Hari, his animosity probably stems from the same experience as my enduring love- years of staring at a page trying to work out where structuralism ends and Derrida starts. That specifically is why you should never read anything that Derrida has written before you read something about the book you haven't read yet first. I'd go for Christopher Norris accentuated by Between the Blinds or something like that... definitely a combination though, one author is not enough, they're all caught up in the Derridean web.

The thing out there - the actual madness, the "signified" - is almost impossible to grasp; we are lost in a sea of words that prevent us from actually experiencing reality directly.

every use of "mad" is a negotiation between user and recipient

Okay and to elaborate very briefly Derrida kind of stretches the idea of writing so that the word appears not only as a word on a piece of paper but every tool is a word too. So to steal almost directly from Grammatology, the line that separates one field from another is a word or a piece of writing. You see how this complicates the whole notion of language and deconstruction (and why Derrida's so often described as a sledgehammer).

The moment of real intellectual loss is probably the religious turn of the post-secular work...

I always take these things as intrinsically linked together, I mean how many details do you need before you accept that he turned right a little bit too far? Okay, I know, you need a lot of details. But the unwillingness to exist within the frame of his own work and the whole godliness thing was a sharp disappointment in contrast to some of the earlier work. The thrill is gone.
 
 
The Prince of All Lies
00:23 / 22.10.04
I recommend Giovanna Borradori's book of interviews with Habermas and Derrida, "Philosophy in a Time of Terror", where she explains pretty clearly what deconstructionism is and how Derrida applies it. I've read it and I understood pretty clearly what ol' Jacques stood for, which wasn't some postmodernist fashion, rather a unique way of critique.
 
  

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