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Starman: Grand Guignol released as TPB, providing a handy opportunity to discuss Starman more generally

 
  

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Slim
23:43 / 27.02.06
They seriously killed off Kid Eternity in JSA#1 ?

They did indeed, along with Scarab, if memory serves, and a couple of others. Robinson by that stage was being, arguably, almost aggressively old school.


Kid Eternity was killed but he came back to life later on somewhere in Teen Titans series.

That's why I don't mind so much if Wally West never comes back.

The hell you say!
 
 
The Falcon
23:41 / 28.02.06
Hey, so it just occurred and I don't think it merits a thread of its' own, but Robinson's making his return to the comics fold after, well... there was that 'Comic Book Villains' film, wasn't there?

Doing an eight-parter on Batman/'tec, ('Face the Face', I think.) which'll be ostensibly the 'new' Batman after a year out of action (I think possibly a fakeout death in 8C #5, personally,) leading up to Morrison and Dini's respective takeovers. Simone Bianchi covers, which look real nice yo.

I'm definitely quite excited about it.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
01:28 / 01.03.06
I believe this will be the cover of his first issue.

If that's Jason Todd robin written by James Robinson, I will pee my pants in joy.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:42 / 05.03.06
The Condor/Hawkman thing is correct. Robinson wanted to use Hawkman, but he went through one of his periodic awful reboots and DC editorial nixed him for Starman, so Robinson had to go with Black Condor.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:24 / 19.09.07
Quick bump just to ask whether this series still holds up as a decent piece of work these days, in everyone's general opinion.

To fill in the background, I ordered the first three trades off Amazon as a present for a close personal friend but, briefly flicking through them, as one pretty much has to once the cling-film's off, just to make sure the correct thing's arrived, I wonder if I mightn't have shot myself in the foot here.

The concern is that Starman's a bit dated - Ze's fave is The Ultimates.

So, am I wrong to worry, or am I right?
 
 
The Falcon
13:35 / 19.09.07
Hmm, it's kind of opposite to the Ulty-mates, really.

The first trade is really quite bad (fortunately, I bought the first two together because I was feeling that yaw of misspent cash midway through v.1,) and you have to learn to cope with the bizarre emphases given dialogue throughout, but I do think it really heats up thereafter.
 
 
_Boboss
19:15 / 19.09.07
you definitely have to do some work to get into it, and be happy to put up with a lot of eulogising about the golden age, but yep, it's great.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:51 / 19.09.07
After the first trade, things really start to hit it. This was a combination of the art settling down a bit and the writing hitting its stride, but I still end up rereading the whole run once in a while -- it's been over a year now, but I could probably be convinced to fire through it again. Oddly, the biggest peeve I have with the series is the continued copy-editing mistakes with regard to characters' names -- given how obsessed the series is with legacies, comic book history, and continuity porn, apparently nobody bothered to remember that the first Black Canary was named "Dinah" rather than "Diana."

I do find that it really clicked for me when Snjebjerg took over the art chores, and I still think that the storyline following Grand Guignol -- the Starman of 1951 -- is the series peak, even as much as it is the swan song.
 
 
garyancheta
02:58 / 21.09.07
I loved loved loved Starman. After Zero Hour, I had only 3 main comics on my pull list: Hitman, LSH Vol 4, and Starman and I have never regretted getting either of these comics (except for maybe LSH Vol 4, but that's another discussion).

I loved the idea of Starman as this superhero story that reflected everything that I loved about the superhero genre. It had high melodrama, heroic and moral characters, dastardly villains, and all the really neat details that I loved about the DCUniverse put into the perspective of a reader.

I loved that Diane Bellmont was Jack's favorite writer, or that Copperhead's favorite collectible was old philco radios, or that Batman's favorite Woody Allen movie was "Crime and Punishment." It made the world real to me when I read the story.

The trivia is what finally sold me. One of Shade's earlier discussions with Jack dealt with reincarnation. He was wondering if Jack was the reincarnation of the Black Pirate, and Jack kind of shrugged it off stating that he had dreams about being a spy for the British with the name Rosa. It took me forever, but someone pointed out that Rosa the Spy was a long-forgotten DC character who was an American spy for the British. I found this out last year and it blew my mind that Robinson had all the allusions to previous works figured out to a "T."

As for the Grand Guignol, I really loved that climactic finish that Robinson gave to the story. It really reads well as singles, moreso than as a trade, because I remember that I could not wait for the next issue to come out. The payoff was fine, but I always felt that some of the pieces were a bit short. There were bits like the Dibny detectives, or the introduction of the Phantom Lady (the title held by the best American female spy), or the Black Condor that felt as if Robinson shifted things around to make his conclusion fit everything that he set up in the beginning (like the Pirate story that seemed to just end, even though the resolution really came through for long time readers).

I loved that some of the characters and villains returned out of left field (like the Bonnie and Clyde characters) who was taken out by Adam Strange (in a way that shows that he can outfox even the most cunning of villains through wordplay) or the evil of Dr. Phospherous, who was taken out by Ted Knight (which finally resolved the question of who killed Rag Doll that fateful night of terror in the early 80s), or the grand finale of Ted shaking the Mists' hand, with Ted realizing that he has gained so much for his life for his noble pursuits and the Mist realizing that he had wasted his life in the cause of villainous pursuits.

I think this outshone Robinson's other "Grand Guignol"-style ending for his Ultraverse comic book Firearm, but if you want to get a precursor to this last trade, I suggest you try to find his Firearm book...especially the "Rafferty Saga" parts...where Robinson writes a story that is sort of like taking the Bruce Willis character from Die Hard (and the german villain from Die Hard), giving him a British accent and a love for all things Americanna (like Pulp Novels or Elvis), and placing him in a John Woo ending. His ending for Firearm is sort of like reading a precursor to the end of Starman. You can tell that he has having fun twisting and turning with the material because you don't want the story to end.

There is something remarkable about a writer conceiving and delivering such a grand product within the confines of continuity and grace. I love the Grand Guingol but I also hate it because it means that the end was coming very near.

If you have yet to read the last few stories, then I suggest you go out now and purchase the issues. The mystery of the secret Starman, the revelation of the Thom Kallor, and the Flying with Superman were all such fine issues to read. I love that Jack talked to Superman about meeting Jor-el and Jor-el's father and gave him a sense of closure that Superman wouldn't have had otherwise.

The final issue made my heart stop a couple of times. It made my top list of best endings ever in comic form (Hitman and Preacher, and the Legion V4 are up there too). Grand Guignol was a great climax to the story, but the actual ending that tied up all the loose ties made me want to reread the story from beginning to end.

- Gary
 
  

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