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Voudon Gnostic Workbook

 
  

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louisemichel
14:59 / 03.10.04
Caduceus book has a copy of Bertiaux's phonebook at £120. I know, it's really expensive, and so on... but, don't kill the messenger. I know a lot of people seek that book. Ben Fernee sent his mailing list today, so with a little luck, you'd be the first to order it...
www.caduceusbooks.com for those who are interested.
And no, i don't get anything.
Thanks for your time !
 
 
macrophage
13:09 / 04.10.04
According to the rumour grist mill the Technicians of the Sacred will release a reprint soon enough?! Never ever witnessed it in the flesh so to speak. You have to fully immerse yourself in it 100% as with all models. I can grok alot of what it's about though. Hard work!! I'm happy with my own personalised system!
 
 
louisemichel
15:46 / 05.10.04
You can be happy with your personnal system and have a nice collection of hard to find books. I'd love to have a signed Crowley book on my shelf, just for the sake of it, it would also be expensive...
The VGW is a hard to find book, that's all.
 
 
Seth
08:58 / 15.11.04
Waste your money in style.
 
 
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23:52 / 15.11.04
Hey, I got my copy from that same dealer! I only spent $150 on mine though...

I've almost finished the first half. You know, it gets a lot of dissing on here but it is a very fascinating book, stranger then Kenneth Grant's stuff even... I think my favorite bit is when Bertiaux implies (in not so many words) that he's the Gnostic Christ sent to save the universe from Yaldabaoth and that the Book of Revelations is about himself and his struggles against evil. There are some great one-liners too, especially this one that comes at the end of pages and pages of bizarre ramblings, when the writer talks about the value of simplicity or something like that...

Awhile ago I was very obsessed with getting this book. Eventually I lossed my obsession and then I ended up getting it for a fairly decent price (you may laugh at spending $150 on a book, but my brothers have often spent hundreds of dollars for one basketball card!) After reading large parts of it, is it worth spending $500 or some nonsensical sums of money on? Well, not really. You won't get much practical information out of it but it may stimulate your creative regions and help you further flesh out a system of your own. If you can get it cheap, go for it and make up your own mind. I find that reading about other people's strange systems of magic inspires me on many levels.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
14:42 / 16.11.04
Yeah I just got one from the same dealer ($180 on mine). Sypha was yours a fuckin photocopy too??
 
 
Seth
15:38 / 16.11.04
Wait a sec. £150 for a photocopy?

Are you using whatever you learn in the book to hex the fuck out of the seller?

Sigil joke: he must've seen you coming...
 
 
nidu713
15:44 / 16.11.04
The ad said it was a photocopy... and I was just going to point that out.

Someone has a real scam going on.

Or someone just cracked the taboo against violating copy-protection - in their own mind.
 
 
hashmal
18:33 / 16.11.04
is this guy associated with bertiaux? if not i hope bertiaux sues the prick. i'm not against copyright violation per se. i've often interloaned books (ususally out of print) through the library and photocopied the whole thing for personal use. but when it's someone doing it to sell and rip people off it's pretty fucking low. especially at that price. if it was just enough to cover the cost of photocopying it in the first place then maybe...
 
 
nidu713
19:00 / 16.11.04
Truth be told, I was toying around with PDFing my copy and circulating it anonymously on the net - just to collapse the wave of curiosity generated in places like Barbelith around this book.

But, I realized that I didn't have the correct mental subroutines to combat the program already embedded that stated I was tempting repercussion from dark magicks far beyond my abilities.

Someone seems to have taken that FAR beyond where I could have went with it by selling photocopies. Yikes.
 
 
LVX23
23:33 / 16.11.04
nidu, consider your act of liberation as a favor to Bertieaux et al by undercutting the evil shyster who's sellling the photocopy's. Besides, the grand voudon gnostic doesn't make any money off of outrageously overpriced used copies.
 
 
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02:42 / 17.11.04
H'mm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this fascimile edition WAS the second printing (from Magickal Childe Inc.)? The first printing I believe was in hardback (forget the publisher) and the second was in softcover by Magickal Childe... Have we been punked?

I don't know about you guys but my copy has a cover that's just a blank piece of paper with the letters "VGW" in the middle. The cover appears to be in a clear plastic binder of sorts, while the back cover is also like a binder, all black. Oh well... Not the flashiest edition but hopefully they'll reprint it one day... I'm just happy to finally read the damn thing.

The only thing I'm really miffed about is the fact that 2 pages are missing from mine.
 
 
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02:49 / 17.11.04
You know, I may of been a mite hasty leaving that positive feedback...
 
 
illmatic
07:19 / 17.11.04
The facsimile you've got is not the Magickal Childe one. That one had a colour cover and was properly bound etc. Ow. Someone's got a nice racket going on.
 
 
illmatic
07:22 / 17.11.04
At the very least y'all should get on Ebay and give that guy some negative feedback. Or better yet, unleash the scorpion loa on his overchaging, photocopying ass!
 
 
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21:43 / 17.11.04
Then again, one could argue that whoever is dumb enough to spend this much on a book deserves to get ripped off in the first place.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:19 / 17.11.04
I disagree. There are many books I would happily spend far more than that on. Photocopies of books, on the other hand...
 
 
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02:37 / 18.11.04
While we're on the subject of Mr. Bertiaux and all, I thought this might be amusing... My brothers and I love reading about "odd" people, so when I came across Bertiaux awhile back we were in hog heaven. He's become somewhat of a cult icon at the house where I live. In fact, one of my younger brothers has this season he plays on a Playstation 2 baseball game, and he created a black pitcher named "Micheal Bertiaux". It was funny when we were deciding his stats. Brother: "How much stamina should he have?" Me: "Well, he probably does a lot of tantric sex, right? Crank up that stat." We also came up with names for his pitches. One we call "The Zaraguin" and when my brother has Bertiaux pitch it he sometimes yells out "Scorpian!" In the final game of the season Bertiux was at bat at one point and hit a home run to seal the game, and as of the second season he's currently competing with Curt Schilling for the Cy Young award in pitching. Sometimes we joke "You know, for all the occultists who thought Bertiuax had run out of weirdness, they probably never expected him to join a major league baseball team".
 
 
macrophage
13:29 / 18.11.04
Anton la Vey was apt to quote PT Barnum in that there is a sucker born every minute!!!!!!
 
 
nidu713
13:59 / 18.11.04
M'eh... I was curious, but I think I'd rather be $150 curious than $400 curious.
 
 
Lord Switch
11:15 / 19.11.04
So let me get this straight.

people are willing to pay 100-200 dollars for this book. it is really hard to get hold of and most of us are at least curious as to whats in it.

and apparently the reason nobody has made a pdf of it is because...? there is a hex on people doing it?
Come on people. Just PDF the frickin book.
Ask your guided whatever is there is any danger in doing so . roll a die
123 its fine and you can pdf it, 456 you shouldn't. or whatever.

I say pdf the frickin' book and pull out the money floor from under hawkers selling copys
 
 
illmatic
11:29 / 19.11.04
It ain't really the hex, more like the fact it's four hundred pages long. And if you look at thet other threads on this subject, you'll see that most of us who have seen the book are aware that when you actually get to read it, it's a huge disappointment. Batshit fucking crazy with about 5 pages that are readable/usable. The noterity trades on the fact that few people have seen it.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:18 / 19.11.04
Paying $100-200 just to see what the book contains does strike me as rather odd - mind you I paid about £20 for the copy I had (long time ago), & found some of the material to be very workable - but then again I was in contact with other people who were members of various of Bertiauxs' orders both in the UK and the USA - which helped a lot. I was thinking of joining the LCN at the time, but didn't as they only had one or two members in the UK and I was more interested in working in an active group back then.

Like Illmatic says - it's a big book, and would take hours for someone to scan in and convert to pdf. Personally, I think it's an okay book, but in no way does it deserve the hype that's grown up around it.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
14:15 / 19.11.04
Review of the VGW here

and as the reviewer points out, to get the most out of it, you need the veves.
 
 
Lord Switch
20:30 / 19.11.04
But still. scan the thing.
two hours of your time and at least you'll save people 2oo quid.
 
 
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00:49 / 20.11.04
I think it would take way more then two hours... It's actually over 600 pages... Fuck, the table of contents alone is nine pages.
 
 
Unconditional Love
07:41 / 20.11.04
i asked a mambo about this book once she emailed me back telling me that the author had probably smoked too much weed.

are the photocopied card covers good roach material?
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
01:31 / 21.11.04
One suspects, actually, that whether the book's worth reading or no, the scanning and uploading of the VGW is a necessary act which will put the last nail in the coffin of the "occult" and complete the idea of the internet as an open-source, equalized magickal battery. Positive shockwaves m'man. I'd scan mine but I don't have a scanner!

Oh yeah and fuck that okra-z motherfucker, solid.
 
 
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01:42 / 10.12.04
It appears that our friend okra-z is yet again selling another "workbook" on eBay. It appears he's raised the "buy it now price" to $205 (used to be $150). I know it says "fascimile" but it's also really misleading to say that it's in great condition and it's never been read... Of course it's never been read, it's photocopies! All I can say is, he's probably making a lot of money off this, and who knows, maybe he has a good reason to need all this money, but one day he may tick off the wrong person and it might be ugly. I hope for his sake that Bertiaux doesn't find out about this.

Interestingly enough, recently I ran the workbook's ISBN number through the Bookmaster computer system at Barnes & Noble and to my surprise it was actually listed in our system. It appears that when the book first came out it only cost about $29 or so. Talk about inflation.
 
 
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02:35 / 10.12.04
As for pfding it... Well, I do have a scanner, but it's horribly slow and it would take forever to scan every page, and I just don't have the patience for that kind of thing. I don't even know how to make pfd documents as it is. However, if someone has a faster scanner and would be willing I could loan you my copy if you'd like and you can do it. It's a really thick book though so you'd probably have to unbind it to get the pages in a suitably flat position to scan.

I'm almost done reading it and hope to write a review soon. There aren't many details about this book which accounts for the air of mystery around it. For now here's a summarized version of the table of contents, so maybe you can see what the book's about and decide if it's worth your while to investigate. The workbook is split into four parts (I presume that each part represents a course in Bertiaux's 4 year course system, though I may be wrong). These parts are broken down into chapters, which in turn are broken down into "lessons", most of which are 2-4 pages but generally fall into the three page range. There is also a glossary at the end with 29 entries (not in alphabetical order). Sadly, no index. I should also point out that it appears that the book is unedited as there are many typos throughout the text, though this may be the typist's fault, I don't know.

Part One is called "Voudoo Energies" and it is split into eight chapters. Chapter one is called "The Power of the Spirits" (contains :Who can be a big lucky hoodoo, the most lucid section and my introduction to this work), chapter two is called "Ghuede Grimoire", chapter three is "The Magickal System", chapter 4 is "Heavy Hoodoo Spells (HHS)", chapter 5 is "Guzette Outlines of Esoteric Voudoo", chapter 6 is "The Genuis of the IFA", chapter 7 is "Experimental Theology of Osiris-Legbha", and chapter 8 is "Voudoo and Atlantean Research". Lessons deal with how to be a lucky Hoodoo, the lwa families, "hot points", the Ghuedhe Grimoire, astrology, Good UFOs and Bad UFOs (Invisible fans should find that section interesting in light of Jim Crow), Angelic Germatria, Neo-Pythagoream Gnostic Reduction, Aiwaz-Physics, the I-Ching, ojas, Atlantis, and the IFA (I don't know what the IFA stands for but Bertiuax thinks it's important... In fact, easily over a hundred pages throughout the book are devoted to it). This Part is probably the easiest and most enjoyable to read.

Part Two is called "Gnostic Energies". Chapter 1 is "Zothyrian Metapsychology", chapter 2 is "The Physics of the New Aeon of the Gnosis", chapter 3 is "Gnostic Energies in Esoteric Hinduism", chapter 4 is "A Magickal Technology", chapter 5 is "Magnetic Materials and Gnostic Genetics", chapter 6 is "Zothyrian Physics and radio-Psychology", and chapter 7 is "The Technology of Applied Gnosis". Topics and lessons include: The Zothyrian Empire, lattice systems, the Meon, the Logos, Computer Programming, Gnostic Physics, the Aeon of Maat, Transyuggothian Powers, Vudutronics, Gnostic Zoology, Aracheometrical Biology, Gnostic Genetics, esoteric Healing, Choronzon, Null Spaces, Yuggothian Matrices, The Stanzas of Dzyan, Lovecraftian Great Old One color codes, and a lot of other bizarre stuff.

Part Three is called "Elemental Sorcery". Chapter 1 is "Zothyrian Topology", chapter 2 is "The Theory of teh Magickal Heat", chapter 3 is "The Erotic Function of the Future Aeon", chapter 4 is "The Shintotronic System of Gnostic Magick", chapter 5 is "Imagination and Physics in Shintotronics", chapter 6 is "The Magician is always a medium", chapter 7 is "Applied Sorcery and Erotic Magick", and chapter 8 is "The occult powers and the elemental energies". Lessons include Zothyrian Toplogies, Magickal Heat, Shintotronics, Occult Atoms, Plutonian Magick, Hiroyuki Fukuda, and the world of Oerg-8, a biohuminoid who lives in a futuristic world controlled by "The System" and powered by neo-orgonomy, in which humans are bred for the sole purpose of generating orgone energy to power the Gnostic computers are servo-mechanisms that control society (shades of the Matrix, or, as Bertiaux sometimes spells it, the Ma'atrix). This particular section reads like out-and-out science fiction with it's talk of cloning, weird genetics, mutants and computer-controlled societies.

Finally, Part Four is "Elemental Theogony" and chapter 1 is called "Mystical Theogony and the occult imagination", chapter 2 is "The occult kingdom of the holy spirits", 3 is "The kingdom of the spirits and the becoming of the gods", 4 is "The esoteric roots ofthe Gnostic Powers", 5 is "The Acualization of the Gnostic Powers", 6 is "Finality: Angelic languages", 7 is "The Gnosis of the Spiritiual Life", 8 is "Finality: The Sanctuary of the Gnosis", and 9 is "Finality: The Eternal Battleground of the Gnosis". I haven't read all that much of this section but it seems to be more along the lines of traditional Gnosticism and Gnostic Cosmology.

That's a lot of text to slog through. Kenneth Grant's books seem like a walk in the park now by comparison. There IS some very good stuff here, it's just buried under page after page of repetition. It's probably best to read it in small doses. I've read about 100 pages these last two days and gotten a bastard of a headache for my troubles. Certain words appear over and over again: Dialectical, Phenomenological", "Radio-Topology", "transyuggothian", "Hylomorphic Ontology", "Neo-Pythagoream", "Vudutronics", "Hyperspatial", "Necronomicon Physics", and the like. Not that this is a bad thing, mind (I love bizarre sounding pseudo-scientific occult words and at times it all seems quite poetic) it's just that 500+ pages of these words gets very tiring afterwards. I don't know how many times the word "computer" is used either, but he uses it a lot and I'm not quite sure exactly what type of computer he's talking about, but my gut tells me it's not the kind you can buy at Staples.
 
 
Warewullf
12:03 / 10.12.04
There are some scans from the book here:
Voudoun Gnostic Workbook Scans

Also on the site, Bertiaux continues to tease with
"THE NEW VOUDON GNOSTIC WORKBOOK:
REVISED AND EXPANDED
BY MICHAEL BERTIAUX"


That's been listed on his site for years, though.


(Oh, if you google for Voudon Gnostic Workbook, Barbelith is the first hit!)
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:57 / 10.12.04
Ifa is, broadly, a word used to describe the heart of the Yoruba Mysteries.
 
 
SteppersFan
13:59 / 10.12.04
Christ, it sounds tedious, doesn't it?
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:15 / 10.12.04
record of gnostic voudou workings
 
 
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02:41 / 11.12.04
Well, I suppose that something is tedious only if you approach it in that manner (Just like something only appears to be "good" or "evil" based on individual perceptions/prejudices and whatnot). Every occult book I read, be it something as basic as say Wicca or something more advanced like the Workbook in question I always approach with the mindset that I have something to learn from this, that by entering and exploring this author's mindset as transmitted through their words maybe I'll be able to glean some gold that I can put to use in my own life/belief systems and so on. I actually take this view on any type of book I read, or CD I listen to, and things like that. There's no such thing as worthless knowledge unless you chose to perceive it as worthless. A lot of people may tell you to avoid the Workbook, that it is a waste of time, but until you read and see for yourself you can never really know. Not that there's anything wrong with people expressing such an opinion, as they've most probably read the document in question and thus are able to come to such a viewpoint.

On another note, it appears that the Workbook often gets lumped into occult books of the "Black" magic quality. I think this is a little unfair as it's not as sinister as I had been led to believe (in fact parts of it bring to mind Roman Catholicism and Jesus worship, of all things). Granted there are SOME aspects of it that could be conceived as "dark" (generally some of the sex magical rites which seem more Reichian in nature then anything, and some of Bertiaux's tales of mutants preparing to attack humanity), but generally it's nothing I'd call "evil". Some may be freaked out by the more insectoid aspects of the work, but I've always liked insects so I didn't mind... Not that I'm hankering to actually meet any of these entities anytime soon, mind. They have their function, just like anything else.
 
  

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