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What the fuck is a magician?

 
  

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ghadis
23:26 / 29.09.04

or 'BOD' perhaps. Hyper BOD.

Bring on those Frog produced Hyper Sigilised Reality Warping Cow Milk Shakes.

BOD is spelt the sameway backwards (and sideways apparently) if you say it really quickly in a 'dog voice*'.




*This is an Ancient Egyptian thing
 
 
LVX23
00:19 / 30.09.04
hee hee... mojo diddler. Love it!

How bout Midnight Wanker...?

HyperFiction Modifier
Pan-dimensional Tittilator
Occult De-obfuscator
Gnostic Metaphysician (Dr. KAOS?)
 
 
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09:03 / 30.09.04
I consider myself a Street Mage.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:51 / 30.09.04
i like the idea of a magickal practitioner of today being several olde worlde priests, as in magi.
i find the grammar problematic; both 'i am magi' and 'i am a magi' feel wrong. the former certainly beats the latter, but i feel that y'all can prolly do better.


Possibly "I am lots of Magi" or "I am all the Magi".
 
 
SteppersFan
11:59 / 30.09.04
Well, the word "magician" grates a bit. Unless you're a stage magician. Then it rocks.

I'd never use the word "magus" to describe myself. Much too John Grisham.

I liked "reality hacker" back in, err, 1992 I think it was. Maybe 91. Did some great posters of the reality hacker manifesto for TOPY. But of course that wasn't just to do with magic.

I could use "Wiccan" with accuracy, but it doesn't have that much emotional resonance for me. (Though as a professional marketing man -- thank you Gypsy -- it has a lot of brand strength right now. Brand strength which means it is being violently assaulted and culturally appropriated right now.)

I suppose I still like the simple common or garden "pagan", though I could do without the religious connotations.

Of course, the negative, and in particular, the embarassing aura of words like "magician" is part of their power; part of the initiation process is overcoming the cultural conditioning of capitalism and patriarchy against personal magical power.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:33 / 30.09.04
i am majik
i am bliss
i am majik
i am bliss
i am majik
i am bliss
majik i am
bliss i am
majik i am
bliss i am
majik i am
bliss i am

eye(I) magi nation

thats my final answer batman.
 
 
LVX23
15:11 / 30.09.04
[rot]

That reminds of a rave me & some friends drove 4 hours to find, back in '93. It was a camping weekend rave way up in the mountains around Lake Tahoe. It was really difficult to find and at about 3am, in some absolutely desolate dark valley, we managed to find a single shack with a pay phone.

We called the number for the party and got a recording saying that, alas, it had been cancelled. We ended up chipping in to share a motel room for the night.

Tha rave was called I-magi-nation.
[/rot]
 
 
Skeleton Camera
17:39 / 30.09.04
Part of the Mercurial tradition. One of Hermes' posse.
Walking in constant Autumn (for those who do).
 
 
Nalyd Khezr Bey
22:36 / 30.09.04
The Expert Fool
or
Hidden Variable Manipulator
or
"The Man Who Taught His Asshole to Talk" - William S. Burroughs
 
 
Elbereth
00:45 / 01.10.04
panjandrum
 
 
Mitch Brown
00:56 / 01.10.04
I understand the desire to break away from the concept of "magician". There are too many connotations of stage trickery or Harry Potter silliness that go along with that word for my liking.

I always kind of like the idea of "postmodern shamanism" or "urban shamanism" but that's not accurate either.

I think of all the terms bandied about, "psychonaut" is probably my favorite. It's a nice blanket term for an explorer of consciousness in all its forms - a miner and manipulator of the psychic sub-stratum. But then, "psychonaut" is a little too Peter Carroll for my liking...
 
 
Skeleton Camera
04:00 / 01.10.04
The Expert Fool captures the Hermes-trickster 'vibe' well and sums up, well, the role of the Fool nowadays.

Stewing in multiplicity and theory theory theory...do we even need a new term? I just "do stuff" at this point or "study witchcraft/magic/etc etc" - there needs not to be a nail-on-the-head term for it. Keep it FLUID after all...
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
04:51 / 01.10.04

I understand the desire to break away from the concept of "magician". There are too many connotations of stage trickery or Harry Potter silliness that go along with that word for my liking.


Yeah, that's true enough. I really hate how the pagan community has latched onto the term "muggles". It's not only silly, it's just plain STUPID. It's a vane attempt to justify practicing magic as an act of some sort of genetics or predisposition rather than the idea that anyone can practice if they have the will to do so.

I think of all the terms bandied about, "psychonaut" is probably my favorite. It's a nice blanket term for an explorer of consciousness in all its forms - a miner and manipulator of the psychic sub-stratum. But then, "psychonaut" is a little too Peter Carroll for my liking...

Psychonaut is just a fun word, though. Ethernaut, bizzaronaut...and on, and on.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
04:53 / 01.10.04
...and can't forget "fictonaut". Thanks to Warren Ellis for that one.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:51 / 01.10.04
There are too many connotations of stage trickery

I never spell the word magic with a superfluous thelemic "k" on the end, cos I'm interested in emphasising the similarities between occultism and stage conjuring not keeping them seperate. I think Crowley was off the mark with that point. If you tell someone you're into occultism but can also produce a live dove from behind their ear in the middle of a bar, they tend to regard you differently. Play up the trickster aspect.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:06 / 01.10.04
Magicologist?
Psionicist?
Spellbinder?
Cunning Man?
Warzard?
Battlemage?
Dream Warrior?
Master of the Mystic Arts?
Sourcerer?
Matrix Warrior?
Super-Saiyan?
Jedi Knight?
Sailor Scout?
The Chosen One?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:29 / 01.10.04
pretentious twat?
chronic masturbator?
excitable goth?
internet fuckwit?
billy-no-mates?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:30 / 01.10.04
"billy-no-mates" is a bit like "john-a-dreams" or "tom-a-bedlam" isnt it.
 
 
Information in formation
08:33 / 01.10.04
Personally I prefer to let others call me what they will, though I have always been partial to the term Witch Doctor, I wouldn't go arround attaching labels to what I do. It seems to be another way of trying to sound more important than one really is. One of the things that's always irked me about the G:.D:. and other high magickal lodges is how everyone has some sort of grade title. After a point it's always seemed to me that the work gets slightly clouded by the desire to add something like Ipssissimus, or Magister Templi to your name.
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:55 / 01.10.04
Neuromancer?
Soothsayer?
Mystic?
Medicine Man?
Theurgist?
Occultist?
The Grand Whazoo?
Great Sage, Equal of Heaven?
Spellsinger?
Chaos Mage?
Master Bater?
Telepathist?
Esper?
Scanner?
The Grand Wazoo from the hardware store?
Fuck you if you don't like my hat!
I'm the Grand Wazoo!
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
13:18 / 01.10.04
I'm an Unrealist(TM) and a Wyrdo(TM), personally

[Both these terms are copyright (C) me, but you're welcome to use them and infect other people with them as long as I receive credit, money and the on-demand sexual favours of your favourite servitor ... as long as it's not Gek ]

Anyone adding 'Techno', 'Cyber', 'Neo' or 'Urban' in front of another word in an attempt to make it sound more 'chilled' or 'street' is off in some deluded la-la land and simply opening an inadvertent public chortle portle into the teenage geek-fantasy of their inner world, in my opinion.

I agree with Gypsy's 100% bang-on analysis of this threat, but it's still A1 for entertainment value which is why we're all here, I suppose
 
 
eye landed
01:39 / 03.10.04
ritualist best describes the magickal behavior i cultivate as an occupation. but it sounds a bit scary...?

im not too keen on labeling myself with something that screams 'insane'. less of my magick involves cavorting in robes than it involves making changes in my lifestyle to manifest a broader change. cf. obsessive-compulsive disorder.

i will also throw in wujen, from the mandarin 'magic person' (wu1ren2 in pinyin). the practice of magic is wushu, or 'magic skill'.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:36 / 08.10.04
I've been following bits of this thread with interest.

Mainly as it's only very recently that Illmatic (mainly via threats of violence/eye-rolling) has managed to stop me prefacing every post I make in this forum with 'I'm not a magic(k)ian but....'

And I'm not sure why I've felt the need to do that. But it's to do with this question of self-identifying (and in my head is closely linked to Arm's house/Flyboy's thread in the Conversation about subcultures). and also about knowledge/specialism...

As, to me the Temple is comparable to the HeadShop, and I see people making the same kind of 'i'm not a theorist/academic/HeadShopper but...' statements there..,.

Recently I participated in a formal ritual process for the first time.

I had known it was planned after a 'meeting' I was attending and had been invited. I wasn't at all sure whether I was going to stay or not until during our 'check in', someone used the phrase 'energy worker' to describe themselves and by extension, why they were in attendance that night.

Something in that clicked with me, as I often talk and work in (one of my) my vocations/paths (mental health/listening and counselling skills-work) in energy terms.

Additionally, the check-in (ie everyone says how they are, what's going on for them, and additionally, what they want to get out of the ritual) process is one I'm with which I'm familiar, as it's used in any decent mental health/counselling environment.

So, in that circle, suddenly I felt legitimised, and able to explain that I wished to stay, where I was coming from and why. And also that my presence would not damage/disturb the safety of the space. Which I was able to explain, in this semi familar check-in, was of paramount importance to me and thus why I would utterly understand if the others didn't wish me to participate in the ritual.

To me, the 'energy worker' rather than magician is probably about my entry into this stuff being from a counselling/interpersonal background, as well as feeling that (as yet, and maybe never) I don't have a specfici faith/practice. Ie that I don't right now have deities/spirit guides/follow a 'denomination'...
 
 
Charlie's Horse
04:31 / 08.10.04
I don't have a specfici faith/practice. Ie that I don't right now have deities/spirit guides/follow a 'denomination'...

This is an interesting preconception you've got about 'magicians,' then. Why do you think it's necessary to have a set faith or to 'follow a demonination' to be a magician? After giving yourself the 'magician' brand, why does that only gain legitimacy through some specific sub-brand category? I'm not trying to say what you're doing is wrong or flawed, or that I don't do this in some way, but it is a novel source of insight, gleamed from simply attaching a word to yourself. Or not, as the case may be.

I've been ruminating a bit on an analogy to a magician label. I run a good deal - as much as a few miles a day, every lovely damn day when I can. Yet I don't introduce myself as a 'jogger,' nor do I wax poetic about how special I am now that I've become a racer. It's just a part of what I do. Involving myself in magic is certainly more important to me than this, but I feel that similiar rules apply. I don't need to create another boundary, an 'I work magic and you don't' line between myself and others. Not that it isn't accurate, but (for instance) my roommate can code in Java and C++, but he doesn't feel the need to give himself a title due to this doubtlessly great accomplishment. We talk about programming, we talk about magic, but we don't need personal labels to do that.

Don't mean to speak ill to this thread or its constituents - very entertaining stuff at times. It's just that labels along these lines seem extraneous to the real point of getting into magic.
 
 
Seth
05:37 / 08.10.04
Why do you think it's necessary to have a set faith or to 'follow a demonination' to be a magician?

Probably because the UK occult scene is extraordinarily denominational.

It's just that labels along these lines seem extraneous to the real point of getting into magic.

Agreed one hundred percent (hence why I detect a lot of contributors to this thread have their tongues firmly in their cheeks). Labels are supposed to be utilitarian in service of us and our objectives, not a suit in which to mold our identity.
 
 
Lord Switch
09:13 / 08.10.04
Looking through all the replies I noticed that
"Invisible" was left out.

a word, that IMHO has all the necessary connotations of priests, occultists, psychics, magicians etc.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:29 / 08.10.04
Hmmm.. I prefer "translucent". Otherwise it's very hard to get served at the Leaky Cauldron...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:49 / 09.10.04
Sorry, I probably didn't make it clear that I *know* that those are some weird preconceptions/I'm bumping up against some blocks, which I'm very interested/in the process of dismantling, but was interested in what other people thought.

As Seth, yep, Illmatic and I have had many conversations/variations on a theme of, 'do the names matter, if you're doing the work'.

So I guess I'm interested in why the labels might at times be useful, why the can or do matter?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:55 / 09.10.04
oh, and thinking about it more, I don't think I actually do think I need a 'schoool'/'denomination', but that I want to work with and communicate/connect with other people. Hence my 'energy worker' thing. It's what suits me if I want to try and describe what I do....

And it's in stepping outside of my own solo practice, and seeking context that these labels/divisions/structures are things I'm beginning to negotiate.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:09 / 09.10.04
Well, as you say, "energy worker" fits into your model of therapeutic practise - in the same way that one could see, say, reiki, kundalini yoga and certain forms of magical practice as, in essence, doing the same sort of thing - redirecting flows of energy so that certain effects can be achieved. It also meant that you could locate what was going on in relation to something that you were familiar and comfortable with, which makes it easier to approach and deal with the unfamiliar part.

I think Seth and Illmatic, and others, are not only asking "why does it matter, as long as it works"; they're also looking at what it is about the names that is about the practice and what is is about the practitioner. Hence GL's questions, some of which strike me as important and useful.

Who are you rebranding magic for? Do you want a book deal? Do you want to sell magic as a lifestyle commodity to the general public? Do you want a term that you feel comfortable using to describe your practices to the man in the street that is free from the various connotations that come with "magician"? What exactly are these connotations? Why do you feel uncomfortable about them? Why do you have the impetus to talk to the hypothetical man in the street about what it is you do? Do you secretly want to be able to 'come out' as a magician? Do you believe that magic is something everyone should practice? Do you think that a new name for magic would lead to more people getting into it? Is that unequivocally a good thing? Is it really likely to happen? Can you realistically imagine every single person in your office or place of work, going home of an evening and practicing some form of re-branded magic? Do you feel that "magic" and "neurolinguistic programming" are broadly synonomous? Do you feel that "magic" and "advertising" are broadly synonomous? How far does this process of rebranding "magical" techniques under new terminology have to go before you turn into L Ron Hubbard?

If you call yourself a reality hacker, or a street mage, or an Invisible, what are you doing? You're going to have as much trouble identifying what you are to the person in the street. You may find yourself more comfortable with the idea of magical practice because, by doing so, you are identifying it with something smaller and more comprehensible - a comic book, a movie, a role-playing game.

I ponder, I guess, about the necessary reciprocity of this making-smaller - does it funnel back outwards? Does it need to? If your magical practice is based on the idea that we are living in a computer simulation, then it is pretty much vital that you keep the constraints of practice clear for it to work, right? The Golden Dawn came up with a bewildering set of levels and membership badges, which help to keep the focus hierarchical and role-directed - I guess masonism does something similar.

The Golden Dawn/Mason thing also flags up somethign that names can do - cut you off from the world. The idea of calling non-practitioners "muggles" cropped up earlier - like goths calling non-goths "mundanes", I guess. Fucking embarrassing, and I suspect unhelpful to facilitate any magical event within the world, barring possibly a magical and very satisfying slap. Call yourself magus, or high enlightened one, or thaumaturge, and you are creating that barrier and shoring it up with ideas of being higher, better, able to work miracles... these titles are self-conferred, but can be used to support, with knowledge or no, some sort of sense of entitlement, enlightenment, superiority, that before our enlightened and entitled age might at least have required a bit of peer recognition.
 
 
Glandmaster
13:53 / 09.10.04
G*L*A*N*D*M*A*S*T*E*R

Think about it...
 
 
Unconditional Love
23:26 / 09.10.04
that weird bloke.
 
 
Lord Morgue
03:53 / 10.10.04
I know an advanced-level Reiki exponent, but he watches WAY to much Dragonball Z, and has been known to intone "Kame-hame-HA!" on occasion. I'm thinking I maybe shouldn't have introduced him to 8-Bit Theatre, as now he says Black Mage is his new role model. HADOUKEN!
 
 
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04:29 / 10.10.04
G*L*A*N*D*M*A*S*T*E*R

Think about it...


Pineal gland? Maybe s/he's enlightened or something.

HADOUKEN!

Hey that's what Ryu used to say as he did fireballs in Streefighter 2. I used to love that guy, he was my fave character.

Don't no-one come back at me with 'Ken was better' or something either.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:38 / 10.10.04
Enough! LVX23, for starting this stupid thread, from this day forward, thou shalt be known as "Witchy-Poo".
 
  

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