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Essential Dazzler
11:36 / 02.08.06
Nic Endo is the cream of the noise crop, she has a Myspace page

All three of her solo releases can be downloaded on the (very) cheap, over here (while you're there, pick up ATR live 1999 for just 99p, and hear Nic and crew burn out spectacularly)

White Heat is the hardest to get into, being a five track chunk of pure noise.

Cold Metal Perfection is a haunting album, dealing with isolation, emotional deadness, and Nic's own brand of Feminism. It carries far more emotional weight than it's bleak, minimal production let's on.

My favourite is Poison lips released under the psuedonym She Satellites. It has more in common than CMP than WH, but remains it's own animal. The so called "Soundtrack to horror movies of the future" is by far the creepiest album I've ever heard. I can't listen to it with the lights off anymore.

(Nic's also done a kick-ass remix of Dillinger Escape Plan's 43% burnt, but I lost my mp3 of it years ago. If anyone could PM me about where I could acquire a copy, legal or otherwise it'b be brilliant.)
 
 
Essential Dazzler
11:39 / 02.08.06
Oh yeah, 33, the DHR Download store has samples of every track they sell, Including the phenomonal "Alec Empire Vs Merzbow live". (I don't work for them, I swear.)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:21 / 02.08.06
I saw Nic Endo doing a solo gig once (with Alec Empire DJing and Lolita Storm supporting- a wonderful night of DHR goodness)- it was the White Noise-type stuff, and it was utterly fucking mental.
 
 
Totem Polish
15:03 / 02.08.06
Thanks for the links Chao, I second the recommendation for the Brixton ATR gig, its pretty listenable in an uncompromising noise-meltdown kind of way. Also Bomb 20 and Christophe Da Babalon have some great industrial/glitch/gabba moments.

33, you'll find that noise is quite a broad church, the Brixton ATR gig being as support for NIN, for example...
 
 
Essential Dazzler
16:57 / 02.08.06
Oh god, I'm hella envious stoatie. Are Lolita Storm still around? I've got GFSU and it is glorious. Probably the best name for a band since PLASMA BLAST.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:33 / 02.08.06
Chao- would it make you even more envious if I told you I saw that ATR gig at Brixton as well?

No idea on whether Lolita Storm are still going- GFSU is a great album, but the best thing of theirs by far was the Sick Slits ep. Absolutely brilliant. Like a cross between Crass and Shampoo. It's a thing of wonder.
 
 
Chiropteran
01:24 / 03.08.06
+#'s, - names, I just listened to Yeti Scalp, and it's fucking great - so far I've only heard Existence as an Instrument (twice, actually), but the second track is loading now. I love the spatial separation between the drums and everything else, and how close the drums are - it feels almost like hiding under the drumkit, peeking out shyly at the throbbing drone freakout in the middle of the room. It's very bright sounding, too - "psychedelic noise," or somesuch (the graphics help cue this impression), and a nice change from the bleakness of a lot of noise.
 
 
Chiropteran
01:35 / 03.08.06
Damn, and I also just listened to the Lolita Storm samples at emusic... Y'all weren't kidding. Wow.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
09:27 / 03.08.06
Cruelty, thy name is stoatie.

Wow, Sick Slits is a quantum leap from GFSU isn't it?
 
 
33
04:23 / 15.08.06
I admit I'm bitty behind when it comes to things like my space i thought it was just posy thing for people on a ego trip for the most part.

As it happens I did manage to get fast enough connection ( dsl ) for one night to listen to and download a few things..

Alec Empire - I find his voice to damm high pitched for my liking when he starts screaming but he has some nice stuff when hes not , not overly impressed though

Nic Endo - Her first album I did not with all the heat reference etc but the one with songs like man eater was interesting and more fun .

I am probably getting the names wrong as i havent famliarised myself yet ..

Cabaret Volitaire - Instantly liked .. probably my favourite thus far , reminds me of skinny puppy a bit

Wolf eyes - I only got one song but this was pretty good too

The knife - I gave them another shot but am still pretty mixed silent shout reeks of NIN in a bad way but some of the others are ok .. again the singing I am not so keen on

Trash 80 and jem girl - Any one heard this group ?
I found some of their stuff very catch ( while you were sleeping )

On that subject are there any groups that incorperate any pianos or trumpets in their songs or more classical elements ?

I' m thinking blaring trumpets the likes you;ll hear in a Cure song like " Why cant I be you " and fucked up discordant piano playing the likes Trent Reznor employs in some songs..

amen
 
 
Slate
05:21 / 15.08.06
I' m thinking blaring trumpets the likes you;ll hear in a Cure song like " Why cant I be you " and fucked up discordant piano playing the likes Trent Reznor employs in some songs..

There is a guy called Stewart Dempster who did an album called "Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel". You can find a review here but I don't think it is what you are after but hell, it's Noise anyway. Basically it is a series of recordings done in a huge underground water storage tank, with a 45 second reverb time, so Stewart goes down with 10 Trombones and a few other things like a digridoo and some tibetan cymbals and makes some long sustained drones. They are blaring though and I think one track has a trumpet...
 
 
33
06:20 / 15.08.06
Maybe I got it a bit wrong with blaring .. I like noise but I am more interested in what sounds like drunken music..

thanks for the heads up though slash
 
 
doctorbeck
11:41 / 15.08.06
does glen branca count as noise? i saw him live once and he was amazing, played a guitar with two bodies joined by one neck, did a 45 minute piece that started tortured and squalling and it just got more so for the whole of the set. i think he was a seminal part of the NY No-wave scene that sonic youth came out of. highly recommended if you like that sort of thing.
 
 
at the scarwash
19:07 / 15.08.06
one of the multitudinous gems available from ubu.com, here is a link to their Reynols page. For noise qua noise purposes, I recommend "Blank Tapes," a piece done with blank audio cassettes in various stages of disintegration, with a bit of processing. "10,000 Chickens Symphony" is also nice.
 
 
Slate
23:33 / 17.08.06
Another act you just gotta check out is David Shea. I listened to The Tower of Mirrors last night and was thoughourly blown away again. He has a few albums: Hsi-Yu Chi, I, Satyricon, Shock Corridor, The Tower of Mirrors & Tryptich are the ones I spin now and again, but he's the kinds artist I completely forget about until I hear him again and kick myself for forgetting about him.
 
 
33
00:39 / 28.08.06
ARRR..

Just bes wonderings if anyones heards dem secret chiefs 3 ?

Nots sos much noise but damms goods IMO

ARRR..
 
 
TeN
16:54 / 12.11.07
bumping an old thread because I've been in a very noisy mood of late

just started really getting into Nervous Cop, which is a one-off collaboration between Greg Saunier (drummer from Deerhoof), Zach Hill (drummer from Hella), and Joanna Newsom
sounds nothing like what you'd expect from the people involved
some of the oddest music I've ever heard
the drums are spliced up all to hell, and sound really clipped and spastic and just brutal - literally like a bunch of drum kits falling down a really long flight of stairs. weird electronic blips and bleeps and atmospheric wailing vocal samples for good measure. even Newsom manages to sound like a maniac. the sounds she wrings out of her harp on this record would be enough to make any harpist cry and clutch their instrument in fear.

I've also been getting back into Ground Zero - the 90s noise rock group led by avant-garde composer Yoshihide Otomo. They go in so many directions at once, and it's really interesting - turntables, saxophone, samples, shamisen, sine wave generators... they have one album which is one 20-minute or so piece where they improvise around a looping sample of hojok holy music, and another album where they play jazz standards. The one track I can't stop listening to is "Where Is the Police + The Bathtub Surprise" from that album, where they make disorienting, musique concrete NOISE out of a recording of someone splashing around in a bathtub


anyone here like Black Dice?
I'm seeing them live this month - really looking forward to that
several people have told me that they're the loudest band they've ever seen live

I saw Animal Collective play about a month ago
unfortunately it was the infamous Webster Hall "disaster" where they stopped midsong because of problems with the EQ and had to cut their set short
still, I was blown away
this was the second time I've seen them, and I have to say, if you only know them from their records, you're really only getting half the picture
they're noisy, but in ways you wouldn't expect. instead of piling on the distortion and dissonance, they hit you with insane amounts of bass and high pitched sine waves
 
 
Rage
01:26 / 13.11.07
I don't like Black Dice on CD (boring) but they are amazing live. I saw them here in Brooklyn. They are obviously inspired by early noise/industrial (TG, NON, SPK, NWW, etc.) but dress like fans of indie rock. It's strangehow since that scene has turned into a dance floor thing the more experimental acts have dissociated themselves from it. Do Black Dice even call themselves noise? I'd assume they'd be considered "noise rock" or "experimental" if anything. Yet then again Sonic Youth would be considered noise too.

Noise is, at least in the traditional sense, dark and angry. I see that changing here in NYC and Black Dice/Animal Collective etc. are a great example of that.

I mean, did Swans and Lydia Lunch call themselves noise? Not at all. The no wave movement would be considered noise now though. It gets really confusing. Which is why I feel silly for having started this thread back when.
 
 
TeN
04:45 / 13.11.07
I don't think it's silly at all. any genre has that kind of flexibility and undefinability.
and "noise" is definitely considered a genre. there are musicians that identify themselves as noise and a whole scene surrounding the genre.
as to whether Black Dice would consider themselves part of that genre, probably not. both they and Animal Collective seem to continually refuse to define themselves within a genre when asked about it in interviews (Animal Collective is notorious for being particularly critical of being labeled "freak folk") which I think is probably the best way to look at it
I definitely wouldn't call Black Dice noise-rock though. there's absolutely nothing "rock" about them from what I can tell. even when they used to be a hardcore band, they pretty much threw song structure to the wind
I don't think I even agree with your list of influences. maybe it's just because I'm in a band that creates sounds in ways similar to the way they do (or as i imagine they might) but when I listen to them I hear something totally organic - sounds birthed from their equipment with no prior intention of sounding like anything else, if that makes any sense. if anything, the influences I can pinpoint are stuff like afrobeat, breakcore, new age, harsh noise, and minimalist techno. they operate like a rock band and appeal to a rock music fanbase (sort of), but I don't think they really play anything resembling rock music. i suppose there's a bit of psych mentality to how they make music too though.

but yeah, I don't think starting a noise thread is any more or less silly than starting a rap thread or a folk thread or anything like that
 
 
Rage
05:01 / 13.11.07
Good point, it's just that these sort of classifications are strange and irrelevant to the actual music.

When I saw Black Dick perform live it was very organic and raw like the earlier noise acts who were into the darker and more aggressive sound, yet their appearance was a lot more mellow than you would expect from a band creating this sort of harsh experimental music. I think it was obvious that they had seen a few Einstürzende Neubauten performances (at least on video) and been influenced by the creative DIY everything-is-an-instrument attitude of the early industrial avant-garde scene.

Yet the attitude of the crowd was extremely mod and even art school. Not that Black Dice didn't put on a great performance and sound incredible while doing it. Noise though? In creativity absolutely but not in presentation. At least not in my opinion, which is why the whole genre thing gets annoying. I would consider Black Dice and Animal Collective "noise rock" not in that they are rock bands with guitars but in that their performances are more friendly to a mainstream crowd than the early noise acts like Whitehouse.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:26 / 13.11.07
Animal Collective very definitely deal in Melody, though. Okay, their stuff is initially a little hard to reduce, but, in many cases, familiarity with the tunes reveals a fairly standard song structure. They're interested in sound and the ways they can play with it, but I really wouldn't describe AC as noise, per se.
 
 
TeN
15:38 / 13.11.07
their more recent stuff most definitely, but there's things in their earlier releases, and in their live performances, that I wouldn't hesitate to call noise
pretty much all of Hollinndagain and Danse Manatee, and a few things on Spirit They're Gone I'd say fall into that category
I think it's also interesting how they use unpleasant sounds (like deafening feedback or extremely high pitched frequencies) in a melodic context
 
 
The Natural Way
07:29 / 14.11.07
See, I'm not that au fait with the first albums you list, but I'm very familiar with Spirits and I think it's fair to say that tunes like the title track - the most obviously noisy of the bunch - are, when it comes down to it, very tuneful. Sure, there's a high pitched whine and a storm of weird, shifting electronic turbulence going on there, but it's so structured, it so composed and it wraps itself round a simple tune. It certainly approaches noise, but, really, it strikes me as a song. And if that's your measure - if tunes like that are why you view Danse, etc. as noise tracks - then I think our interpretation of what constitutes that genre are veering off in very different directions.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:30 / 14.11.07
Bad post, that. Rushed. Fucking work. Why I never post anymore.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
08:31 / 14.11.07
I'd put in my vote for 'Here Comes the Indian' as the most overtly noise influenced Animal Collective LP. Quite a lot of field recording ambience on it as well as the odd hyper-speed ritual drum fury they went in for at the time. I'd say it was my favourite as well, but then you'd all think I was being contrary.
 
 
Seth
11:24 / 14.11.07
I think in Animal Collective's case they're noisy, not noise.

I'm extremely drawn to the area of noise that is neither defined by aggression nor stony faced experimentation, of which I'd view Team Brick as an exemplar. The side of noise that's much more like a curious toddler having a great deal of fun smashing things and making a racket. We've played with a lot of noise acts and in my experience you need to bring a lot to the table to avoid it being a sonic and creative dead end, usually just one or more guys with a bunch of technology creating a very obvious and one-dimensional wall of sound with no thought to texture, dynanamics, frequencies or range.

Brick's playing the Portishead curated ATP if you fancy checking him out, he's ace. He'll ping pong between pure noise, throat singing, ham-fisted disco, home made hymns, and inept jazz and folk meanderings on guitar, clarinet or accordian. There's usually something surprising in his sets, he's well worth a look.
 
 
Locust No longer
14:22 / 14.11.07
Rambling, probably contradictory post alert:

I think the musicians who strictly adhere to the concept of what a real, hardcore "noise" band should sound like aren't particularly interesting or compelling conceptually or aesthetically. You've got all these ridiculous, pasty white guys singing about raping little girls in alleys or contorting their bodies into pain temples that it's really hard to pick out anything compelling about it. Most of the truly interesting noise defies this fetishism and thus defies the genre itself. It's not as if they're really frightening the squares-- the squares don't step into their stinky dungeons of existential pain anyway; the squares would rather think about real problems like paying the rent than have some bald guy scream at them about being a "cunt'. If it's a joke, which I've heard in its defense many times before, it's not a very good one and gets even more boring on the retelling. I've had to see a few of these acts and used to be surprised at just how dull the sonics were that accompanied their school boy tantrums. I've found that the best "noise" comes from smiling kids with love and acid in their brains like the Yellow Swans, Burning Star Core or the noise influenced guys like The Animal Collective. But then again, they're not considered noise anymore or at least not the hardcore of noise. And a lot of that's just a big hoax too. I'm incredibly suspicious of most noise now, finding most of it to be played out, really uncreative and locked into genre that takes the worst aspects of industrial and metal and amplifies them. For a while, as written badly earlier in this thread I thought "noise" was going to be the next big thing and was an important influence on more mainstream music, I'm not so sure now. I think that the movement (if there was one) has definitely slowed down, although shows are still attracting a far bigger number of kids than I ever thought possible. And still spawning a legion of kids to play really bad noise rock. It's odd to go to a noise show now, seeing all these guys (and they are mostly guys) stand next to one another, feeling the wicked tones, dude -- swaying with one another to boring low rumbles. Maybe they really feel it, but I can't hear it. Now as far as I'm concerned If I want harsh noise, I'll stick to pudgy Japanese business men like the Incapacitants, who at least have an enthusiasm and boyish charm to their fits of fake rage. But what were we talking about? Yeah, noise. I still love Birchville Cat Motel. I recommend the whole New Zealand noise/rock thing for it's punk rock primitivism and continual lust for the drone. They're not just striking a scary, tortured pose either. They like sun sets and water and good things.
 
 
TeN
16:01 / 14.11.07
you both make good points
I'd agree that the vast majority of noise is boring
and i guess you could say that for any genre, but its especially true for noise music... maybe it's because there's so much output, and a general attitude of prizing quantity over quality (I always think it's bullshit when noise groups release hundreds of ultra-rare, limited pressing records every year - sometimes it seems like the noise is just catering to record collectors)

about defining the genre, and deciding what does and what doesn't classify as noise, perhaps I'm not the best person to judge that
I tend to use genres rather loosely, and have had more than a few people take offense at me calling something "punk" that apparently clearly isn't
to me, it's more about attitude and intent and principles than anything
and as Locust pointed out, there tend to be two different schools of thought when it comes to noise music: the "fuck you, i'm going to punish you with my music" camp, and the "noise will elevate you to a higher state of consciousness" camp
and like Locust, I far prefer the latter
 
 
Locust No longer
14:18 / 29.11.07
Yeah, TeN, it often seems like a lot of noise bands release just about everything they put down on tape, which is definitely not a good way about going about quality control. But I do know you can make a decent chunk of change by selling all the dregs of noise on ebay. Actually, if you concentrate on just ebaying rare Wolf Eyes/Dilloway/Khanate tapes, Black Metal and Sunn0))) you could probably survive quite comfortably. I always wonder whether or not that this consumer fetishism is part and parcel of noise and metal, as both genres really developed from tape trading culture in the 80s/90s. I have a mean record nerd streak in me, but it's slowed down lately and I've been selling off a lot of my records and making money to like buy food and stuff. It's worked out a lot better than all the comics I couldn't even give away.
 
 
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20:27 / 30.11.07
Speaking of noise:

http://denniscooper-theweaklings.blogspot.com/
 
  

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