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Rage
12:18 / 24.09.04
Ok, I've waited long enough. It's time to watch you guys barbelith the noise genre.

What do you think of stuff like Imminent Starvation? What about harder stuff like Merzbow? Do you listen to noise or is it too much for you? Are you gonna deconstruct it all witty cynical like, or are you gonna embrace it because it blows every other sort of music away?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
14:04 / 24.09.04
Some of my favourate noises:

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrf!

FSSSSSKSSSSSKKSSSSSSKSSSKSKSKSKSSSSSSKSSSSKKSSSK

Gurgle!

Ping!
 
 
grant
18:35 / 24.09.04
Noise is a genre?

Like Japanese noise terror, I kinda know that genre.

And bands like Melt Banana and Sonic Youth are pretty noisy -- they use noise a lot.

But I'm not really familiar with a genre called "noise."
 
 
kaonashi
18:54 / 24.09.04
I really enjoy Pan Sonic if that makes any difference, nothing cynical or witty, just like em thats all.

Their new album Kesto is just amazing, the first time somebody told me about industrial music (before I ever heard any) thats what I thought of.

Just these huge washes of sound, crunching like waves on the ocean.

Admittedly its not something I listen to all the time but it doesn't make it any less beautiful.

Good to see you back Rage
 
 
Ganesh
21:11 / 24.09.04
I don't really know what it is. What's it sound like?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
22:35 / 24.09.04
[places elephant's genitals in trash compacter and throws switch]

There! That's some fine noise.
 
 
Ganesh
22:43 / 24.09.04
That's not terribly helpful. I'm genuinely curious: are you actually talking about a specific genre, or just 'avin' a laaarf?
 
 
Seth
22:50 / 24.09.04
Yes, there is a genre called Noise. I don't claim to know a great deal about it, or own much, but it does exactly what it says on the tin. I'm currently limited to about four Merzbow albums, ATR's Live at Brixton Academy and Yasunao Tone's Solo for Wounded CD. Hopefully someone will come along farily soon and clue us all up on a more definitive look at this music.

It's basically the ultimate trump card when you and your neighbours fight over who can play their music the loudest.
 
 
Ganesh
22:52 / 24.09.04
So, is Noise the noise of instruments and/or voices, then, or is it like those BBC sound effect albums of yesteryear?
 
 
Seth
23:03 / 24.09.04
It varies considerably depending on the artist's methods. Some is like the sound of metal scraping on metal. Some is like incredibly abrasive white noise. Solo for Wounded CD is the sound of a CD skipping for fifty minutes or so. It's clearly not for everyone, and not often for me unless I get into a certain frame of mind.
 
 
--
23:33 / 24.09.04
Well, in terms of extremity, there's pure noise, and then of course there's industrial, and power electronics, and japanoise, and what not. Merzbow is often name-checked, but I also recommend the first Nurse With Wound album, Wolf Eyes, anything by Whitehouse, and so on.
 
 
Mike Modular
00:04 / 25.09.04
There was a Primer article in The Wire the other month about Noise. It's not online, unfortunately, but there is a piece about Japanese Noise. Seems the place to start is Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music, which I bought out of curiosity but can't honestly say I need/want to listen to it very often. This thread did make me want to hear Pita's Get Out again, however, and it's definitely some of the most beautiful, well, noise I've ever heard. Especially track three. But there's certainly something to be said for listening at home, where you have control over the volume. I'm not sure I'd be that keen to let, say, Merzbow decide to ruin my hearing once and for all in a live situation...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:42 / 25.09.04
Yeah, Merzbow, Masonna, the aforementioned ATR live at Brixton album...

Throbbing Gristle (of course) also made many of the classics- Hit By A Rock and Slug Bait are pretty seminal.

Of course, there's the collected works of Boyd Rice AKA Non to be going on with as well...

I likes me noise, I does.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
01:42 / 25.09.04
I like Alec Empire and Mochipet, does that count?
 
 
--
03:05 / 25.09.04
Okay, while we're on the topic of noise, let me just say that tonight I downloaded Wolf Eyes newest album, "Burned Mind", and it's one of the most incredible experimental electronic albums I've ever heard. I've always enjoyed their albums but this one is really good. The website says that it's sonic checkpoints are early cabaret Voltaire, the Swans, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, and others. It's definetly one of the most intense things I've heard in awhile. I'm really going to have to get the CD...

The Gerogerigege are another (very entertaining) Japanese noise band, especially their "wanking" (literally) songs and their cover of TG's "Discipline", which is just the lead singer, in heavily accented English, shouting "Discipline!" while slapping out the beat on one of the band member's ass. Great stuff.
 
 
Lord Morgue
06:08 / 25.09.04
Was it the Clash that recorded a track on an airport runway?
Exteme Noise Terror! They were the guys who helped KLF on their merry way. Vegetarian pansies wouldn't let them gut a dead sheep on stage, though. GWAR would've! GWAR ate Jerry Springer on stage.
Stardust Cowboy was good n' noisy. More clattery, though.
 
 
Seth
09:13 / 25.09.04
I'm not sure you're quite on the same page, Lord Morgue. Unless you're being deliberately daft.
 
 
Mike Modular
11:19 / 25.09.04
Hee-hee, I just remembered about a thing I did a few years ago, when V/VM were all the rage. I made some, er, improvements to Coldplay's Yellow, which I thought I'd share with you Noise-likers...
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:00 / 25.09.04
Can I be not-on-the-same-page AND deliberately daft?
 
 
+#'s, - names
13:37 / 25.09.04
sonic checkpoints are early cabaret Voltaire, the Swans, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, and others.
It must be all the rage to reference old acts now, got the Terrestrial Tones record (The kid from Black Dice that looks like Dennis the Menace and some guy Animal Collective) and on the cover it says For fans of early Faust, TG, Dat Politics. I really long for the day when noise can really be considered contemporary and not as a nostalgia trip to the 70's/early 80's, even though that is when most of the best stuff was produced.

I just started hosting tracks by this act on my site who I think are complete noise geniuses. Check it out,
Yeti Scalp.

Mr. Fab, you referenced the first Nurse with Wound record,
have you checked out Chance Meeting of a Defective Tape Machine and Migrane? I like it as much as the original, guy took A Chance Meeting, ran it from one reel to reel to another, and it came out completelly off. Speaking of NWW, I just listened to The Ladies Home Tickler for the first time in years last night, Stapleton, Bennett, Thirlwell, Fothergill making totaly nonsense madness. Four stars.
 
 
at the scarwash
03:43 / 26.09.04
Is noise actually a genre? I'm fairly well-versed in artists who are gathered together under that banner, and as far as I can tell, they all have very different reasons for doing what they do. Some, like Pauline Oliveros and Reynols seem to be seeking ways out of the constraints of the twelve-tone system and Western musical structures. Merzbow does this sometimes, but sometime he seems more interested in simply transgressing the idea of music altogether. I guess that what I'm driving at, is that noise seems to be something that is arrived at independently by musicians having very different reasons for getting there. Noise can be pretty, it can even be melodic in a sort of unplanned way (Ellen Band is a good example). It can be speaker-shredding sonic lunacy. It seems silly to ask if we like noise, because it is (as the genre's name suggests) something that covers a huge spectrum. Are we talking about the sounds of guitars leaned against amps turned up to eleven (Metal Machine Music, or the sounds of charcoal burning (I'm thinking of Xenakis' 'Concret PH')?
 
 
Lord Morgue
05:33 / 26.09.04
"Classical Muddley", Portsmouth Sinfonia.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
18:38 / 26.09.04
as far as a GENRE, there is certainly a genre and scene for Japanese Noise, which includes groups or performers like Massonna, CCCC, early Boredoms, Merzbow, Kaiji Haino, Fushitsusho (sp?), the truely amazing Violent Onsen Geisha, and literally THOUSANDS more.

the genre sounds is simple to recognize by being totally anti-song. Groups like Sonic Youth and Swans and any number of other bands that are "noise-rock" are a different genre, though obviously there's interpenetration of influence and fanbase. Thurston Moore, outisde of Sonic Youth plays in various groups that are much more "noise", and with Byron Coly he releases all kinds of noise and experimental type records.

The music was (is?) very chaotic, violent, assaultive. Stage shows / performances were based around violence, destruction, and often used images of bondage and weird sexuality.: an early boredoms show consisted of Yamatska Eye driving a bulldozer into the club and smashing shit apart, then cutting his leg open with a buzzsaw. CCCC (i think) had extreme S+M onstage. Gero Gero Gai Gai Gai (sp?) consitantly would play grating, impossible to listen to music onstage and jerk off to the point of orgasm, at which point the audience would chear. (i know this from having owned multiple live albums).

Masona might be among the most brutally unlistenable of the bunch, though truly amazing. I saw him perform once -- he had a belt he'd contructed full of distortion and effects peddle, through which he ran a microphone. the performance was: he jumped around with an unbelievable anaimation and fury, screaming and tweaking through the peddles, creating a sound that was very much like putting your head in the devil's futuristic blender. he's got tons of albums too.

that was another thing about the genre -- ridiculous amounts of output. leave it to the Japanese to form a wholly uncommercial, nearly impossible-to-sustain subculture, and then attack it with the stick-to-itiveness you'd expect from any other potential genre bubble.

This is a genre whose international appeal had its day way back around 1998, when you would see "primers" and "guides" in magazines like Raygun. There was once a very well written zine called Bananafish that covered this kind of music and related topics -- i don't know if the zine is still published but the website at www.midheaven.com

i was big into this stuff back in the day, and really have no clue if people still do it. certainly at record stores like Other Music and Kim's in New York (and online) and Amoeba in Los Angeles, you will find sections called NOISE/EXPERIMENTAL or JAPANESE NOISE. Revolver Records is a US distributor that will sell you endless amounts of this stuff. I think they have a main store in the Boston area; as does Forced Exposure.

There are plenty of American groups related to this sound, falling into the category of "noise" -- Harry Pussy was a great example of screaming chickdrummer pounding lunatic shit out of her kit while awful distorted dueling guitars spat shit out the high end.

New York free music group No Neck Blues Band, who i plug a lot (full disclosure -- i toured with them many times) -- were linked into Noise back in the day, and their Sound@1 record label has hundreds of insane music releases. being dedicated musicians of a sort they sound has adapted and evolved over the years, whearas most of the "noise" bands were pretty much fuck-the-man styled novelty acts.

that's all for now. is this stuff making some kind of weird comeback? Is there a new "generation" or has this stuff just bubbled a little closer to the surface? fuck, Eye + Zorn were doing fucked up mindripping soundtracks for playstation 1 commercials back in '95 -- is it going to go further this time?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:29 / 26.09.04
The only time saw Masonna I tink it was the shortest gig I've ever been to... he threw himself off the speaker stack face first into the floor (as I believe he has a tendency to do...) and got carried off unconscious after about three minutes.

They were a bloody good three minutes, though.
 
 
Locust No longer
19:28 / 30.09.04
I have to say I love the No Neck Blues Band a ton. I'm still amazed by their performance in Minneapolis a year or so ago-- great fluxus performance art mixed with guitar, keyboard and jingle jangle. There was a lot of oranges and cymbols being thrown.

As for noise, I dig a lot of what would fall under that moniker. I'm far more into the New Zealand free-noise stuff like Birchville Cat Motel, CJA, Armpit, Antony Milton, Etc than the Japanese/American extreme noise terrorists. Although, I do like Massona, Bastard Noise, Guilty Connector, and Richard Ramirez quite a bit.
 
 
Locust No longer
15:57 / 05.04.06

To dredge up an old thread.

I charecterise the current time as being an era when, more than ever, the influences of noise, punk and post modernism have invaded tradional music forms and been embraced, if not as the main aural modes, then as an important inflections to the music and way it is made. And this has only become more apparent the more I listen to noise and skirt the boudaries of the actual scene.

is this stuff making some kind of weird comeback? Is there a new "generation" or has this stuff just bubbled a little closer to the surface? fuck, Eye + Zorn were doing fucked up mindripping soundtracks for playstation 1 commercials back in '95 -- is it going to go further this time?

I've been thinking about noise and it's scene quite a bit lately, especially after reading the No Fun Fest write ups Nofunfest and have been feeling that noise is, if not making a "comeback," is having a surge in the popularity at the least. There is a large influx of fans for this music that I think this scene has never before seen (at least in the US). While I don't know how many new bands have formed due to this popularity (though one must assume that it has), I do know the level of recognition and promotion of this music has grown by leaps and bounds, certainly within the more stodgy experimental/avant garde music scenes and now in the more mainstream Spin/Rollingstone rock arenas. It's surreal to see bands like Wolf Eyes and Hair Police being mentioned with an almost reverent tone within these bastions of rock homogeny; however I wonder if these blurbs have more to do with looking like they have a finger on the pulse of hip, new music than actually enjoying the sonic bludgeoning. Be that as it may, I have heard many of the enthusiasts liken noise to be the next punk. Which strikes me as both exciting but also leaves me a little let down. To my ears most of noise is uniformally dull. I think that while the aesthetic is informed by punk's "no talent, no problem" attitude, it doesn't lend itself to making very interesting music because of it. So often noise is simply kids grabbing some microphones and distortion boxes then screaming/writhing away the night, stuck in some mastubatory skree while the audience watches dumbly on. But it's probably ridiculous of me to assume that all the music must be good. And I, by no means, am saying that all noise is lacking in interesting, em, noise (I would list a bunch of interesting contemporary noise bands/figures but feel it's better left to someone else). But, ultimately, the importance, I think, of this new, albeit small, surge is that it may be addressing the shifting taste of the underground/indy scene away from solid, linear melodies to a far more abstract realm. But is this shift real? And if it is, could this shift have existed any earlier in modern music? Could the abrasive thud and scree of Hive Mind or Aaron Dilloway really be appreciated in 1998 or '88? More importantly, is noise a marker of things to come in music trends or simply a marginal influence? Can we expect noise to be coopted like punk, used in shitty commercial jingles or as a ploy to make an American Idol singer seem edgy? Now that would be lovely, actually.
 
 
Slate
00:24 / 06.04.06
We all know that music is 'noise', but our brain puts it together quicker than deciphering meaningless frequencies that another person would refer to as noise. I guess my infatuation with noise started when I got into When who is Lars Pedersen, and his solo album called 'The Black Death' which he based his 30 minute track on his reactions to paintings of victims of the bubonic Plague.

This got me onto my favorite noise act, The Hafler Trio and I have been collecting their albums ever since. The thing I like about listening to The Hafler Trio is the subtle act of memorizing their collages of great sounds as I think that it is harder for the brain to remember seemingly random noise as opposed to traditional flowing music. This makes me consciously aware of the fact that I have listened to it before, and it's rewarding for me to try to gauge/remember/predict what is coming next, time and time again.

I also really dig Pan Sonic as well. Some Merzbow I guess, and to digress, I saw Maldoror Live here in Brisbane Australia a few years ago, which was a collaboration between Mike Patton and Merzbow. Word hit the street that Mike "Faith No More" Patton was in town for a 'secret' show so we had all these jocks turn up expecting some 'music'. There were plenty of fights when people didn't get there money back at the door once the grating waves of distorion and screaming started...

I also am a big fan of John Zorn(some related acts on the Tzadik Label), Yamatsuka Eye, Mick Harris(Lull), Bill Laswell et.al. who all dip down into the ether. I guess some of their Minimalistic work could come under Noise. Weird Little Boy is on collaboration album which defies description. I am eagerly awaiting 'Final' from Justin Broadrick to hit the shelves too.

Vivenza are another noise act, they use loops of recorded industrial machines layered over each other to create their soundscapes. Crash Injury Trauma, these guys used car crashes and pathology reports to make theirs. Matt Heckert made his album using his own home made servo's linked to an Apple Mac which ran Midi code to control the servo's as the 'score' and these home made servo's controlled different sized 'machines' he also made for some desired acoustic properties.

Alan Lamb is an Australian recording artist who put contact microphones on old telegraph wires that stretched for tens of kilometers and recorded their harmonics as they swayed in the wind, I reckon I could hear some birds land on a wire in one section. Garlo is another album I spin every now and again in this vein, "54 guitars placed on the summit of the highest sand dune in Europe. The magical song of hundreds of strings vibrating only under the wind's touch, immense sound bands crossed by harmonic waves, and by eddys of frequencies... This is Vent de Guitares, a geo-acoustic creation, a work of land art where the ephemeral act and the climatic uncertainty generate a timeless music." But my last ex-girlfriend argued that this was just noise too.

Oval is really cool, and I also dig Microstoria, Marcus Popp is a talent! Stay clear of Oval's first work though, where someone tries to sing. I like Oval's diskont the best. Nice art on the packaging.

Music for me gets a bit boring sometimes, and I find listning to noise like a bit of a sorbet between courses to refresh the palette.
 
 
dub
15:05 / 06.04.06
"To my ears most of noise is uniformally dull. I think that while the aesthetic is informed by punk's "no talent, no problem" attitude, it doesn't lend itself to making very interesting music because of it. So often noise is simply kids grabbing some microphones and distortion boxes then screaming/writhing away the night, stuck in some mastubatory skree while the audience watches dumbly on."

That could definitely apply to one of the bands that have been exciting me the most lately: the Magik Markers. While I think they're immensely talented, they are one of those bands that make me want to grab an instrument and go for it myself. Which is one of the greatest things about punk. I think the legacy of the current noise fad will be the kids it inspires and the wider acceptance of noisier acts.

What does one do in response to noise? Dance? Mosh? Pogo? I get a bit dismayed by the silent standing crowds of beards. Possibly because my enjoyment of noise is more aesthetic than cerebral, I tend to go a bit nuts (which I know a lot of my fellow concertgoers don't appreciate). Unfortunately where I live, most of the experimental acts around here are more of the droning variety. Which I enjoy, but they inspire an even more subdued response.
 
 
Locust No longer
17:52 / 06.04.06
Slate-- yeah, I dig a few of your recommendations, as well. In fact, I was just looking at the Weird Little Boy album a while ago (that's a cool package).

I think the music of No Fun Fest is slightly different than the Zorn/hafler/Nurse with Wound type of stuff though. It seems far more influenced by the DIY of hardcore punk than the avant garde of Stockhausen or Cage. There's time for both in my listening.

I don't know if I dance or mosh or whatever to noise either, Dub. I think I more have a dry-heaving, schizoid way of moving while listening to the stuff. I've found the Magik Markers at times to be above average noise rock and at others to be horribly boring. I haven't seen them live, which may change my opinion. I do like Mouthus when it comes to this new improvised rock noise. Noise definitely makes me want to get up there with an instrument sometimes myself. BUT, it doesn't make me think I should neccesarily punish others with it. I wish some of these guys would just hone their craft a little bit.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
05:45 / 10.04.06
Someone else has Alan Lamb albums too? That's awesome.

His stuff worked very effectively in Wolf Creek and The Boys - which is where most non-noisers would have heard them, I'd guess.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
16:51 / 19.04.06
Hey Noise fans, Im putting on Wolf Eyes and a load of other noise outfits in a couple of weeks in London. All the info is in the Gathering forum.

Anyone heard Taurpis Tula?
 
 
33
21:24 / 01.08.06
errmm

Can any one possibly recommend where I might be able to hear samples or download some of these groups , ideally for free ?
 
 
lekvar
21:48 / 01.08.06
Have you tried Amazon or MySpace? A lot of bands use MySpace as a means of hosting free samples.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:56 / 01.08.06
Sure thing: go to Last.fm ("The last radio you'll ever need! they say, and they're right). You have create an account and download a music-playing thingy, both are free, and from there you can search for all the music that's been tagged with the word 'noise' and the playback software will stream a random selection for you. Alternatively you can enter the names of some noise artists (Merzbow, Nic Endo and Wolf Eyes are the 'big names') and it'll play them and related artists.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:52 / 01.08.06
I'd highly recommend Nic Endo. Everything Whitehouse does, she does better.
 
  

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