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matsya
05:46 / 23.09.04
Is here.

Thought you might like.

m.
 
 
Simplist
21:23 / 23.09.04
Couldn't get that link to work, but blessed Google found a direct link to the .pdf.

I'm sure this will be fun and I'll definitely be buying it, but good lord how I hate Gorilla Grodd... Still, if anyone can make him cool it's George.
 
 
Triplets
21:37 / 23.09.04
What the fuck was that all about? Okay, so Batman's now a gun-wielding freak on a motorbike teamed-up with Robin the Femme Wonder wearing some sort of camp European aristrocratic get up. Fighting a gorilla.

Meanwhile Captain Skullhead and Monoptic consult the Black Fishtank of Doom, and the gorilla appears there?

WTF?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
21:51 / 23.09.04
Go and read Parzival, it'll all come into focus.
 
 
LDones
22:18 / 23.09.04
I don't know if those pages are exactly in direct sequence, Triplets.

As John Octave was kind enough to explain in the previous thread on this, the Batmannish gent is The Knight, from the Batmen of Many Nations.

Knight confronts Grodd, who has Jack O'Lantern 'in repose', then bails out a window on his motahbike. Squire (Knight's version of Robin) watches stuff on a monitor. Pulse-8 and Warmaker-One of the original Ultramarines are looking at what I imagine is a pocket universe that Morrison mentioned in an interview awhile back. Grodd appears to murder Warmaker-One, Pulse-8 escapes into the cube dimension and with him gone from reality, Superbia, floating nation of the Ultramarines, falls on the ruins of Montevideo.

That's the look, anyway. Come to think of it, these pages might be in sequence, Moz-JLA moves at insane speeds, often without human logic. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.

Here's a splash of the Ultramarine designs that Ed McGuiness has done for the arc, from the latest JLA Secret Files issue (which has a fun back & forth Dough Mahnke/John Byrne pencilled Flash story by Joe Kelly as well, but that's neither her nor there, now is it?):

 
 
matsya
04:28 / 24.09.04
I thought it was prometheus. The visor.

nicely described.

m.
 
 
matsya
12:10 / 24.09.04
Is that a giant, shiny Mr. Quimper in the background? Also, what happened to the multidimensional lady?

m.
 
 
_Boboss
12:11 / 24.09.04
that's her just above the knight's head
 
 
FinderWolf
13:21 / 24.09.04
There's another thread here that goes into detail about the Euro-Batman and Robin characters (and shows the same preview, methinks) -- search for Grant Morrison and JLA. But yes, I and many others thought it was Prometheus too at first, before intrepid and knowledgable Barbelithers with vast pre-Crisis DC knowledge corrected me.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:27 / 24.09.04
>> (which has a fun back & forth Dough Mahnke/John Byrne pencilled Flash story by Joe Kelly as well, but that's neither her nor there, now is it?):

Wow, I thought Byrne's art in that story was offensively bad and lazy (his art these days looks like half-done breakdowns to me, unless inked by someone who will really clean it up) and Byrne's lack of quality these days (as compared his glory days in the 80s) really annoys me, to say nothing of his personal antics and insane rantings. Manhke's art is always great, I feel. (Sorry, off-topic but I had to vent about this). Byrne's art in the shitty JLA arc only looked mostly servicable cause Ordway finished up his pencils and Ordway filled in the lack of detail that Byrne put in.
 
 
LDones
00:16 / 25.09.04
The huge, Quimper-faced thing is Ed McGuiness' new design for Goraiko, apparently a giant Asian-continent superhero. I haven't been able to find any proper info on him. At first I tought he was Alloy the Metal Man, but I was wrong - dead wrong. I think his first appearance was on that splash page in JLA #26.

Here's a bio for The Knight, which may explain some Pre/Post Crisis confusion.

I Heart the DC Universe. It's fucking batty.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:56 / 25.09.04
Powers and Weapons: An olympic level athlete and superb hand-to-hand combatant; rode a "war-horse" which was a powerful motorcycle resembling a medieval war horse.

Hey, I guess that's why Morrison chose to revamp The Knight...that mediaeval connection. Also the fact that the character sounds delusional. (prob. schizophrenic) He makes his bike look like a war-horse, and calls it, um, "the war-horse". Maybe The Knight curls up and does groaning when someone else touches his "war-horse". Or he knows it will be a Bad Day if he sees two yellow bikes within five metres of the "war-horse".



Pre-Crisis: An English crime-fighter who, along with his father, fought crime in England as the Knight and the Squire after being inspired by Batman and Robin . The Squire was in reality the son of the Earl of Wordenshire, a small village in England. Whenever their services were needed, the bell at the Wordenshire Village rectory was rang. The Squire, along with his father, joined forces several times with Batman and Robin, and other "Batmen of All Nations", and was a charter member of the Club of Heroes.

Post Crisis: In the early 1950's, Cyril and his father, along with several other war patriots, became some of the first costumed heroes to emerge outside of the United States. Taking the name the Squire after his father, who had used the name during World War II when apprenticed to Sir Justin, the Shining Knight, he and his father came under the supervision of the newly formed Dome as one of the Global Guardians. The Squire fought crime in his native England


That this crazy US comic-book conception of England/Britain (as the same country, unless a Scottish castle or Leprechaun is needed) can continue in 2004 is just numbingly absurd. Unless it's meant as a quaintly charming parody, not of England but of the old-skool DCU construction of England, I don't see how anyone can hold these ideas in their head and still function.

The whole notion of "England/Britain" in paragraphs like the above -- and the post-Crisis line is barely different from the 1950s version -- depends on seeing the world as a set of isolated, largely self-contained cultures that flourish almost as parallel universes. England has heard of this bally old Batman and some bright spark decides that we should have a version of this American heroic fellow in Albion, what? So drawing on the proud heritage of Brittania, of course he dresses in his father's armour and tricks out a motorcycle as a war-horse.

It can take what, an hour, to drive through Central London on a motorbike. It takes perhaps seven hours to drive from London to Newcastle, three from London to Bristol. How the Knight is going to cover wrong-doing in all of England on a motorbike is beyond me. If he hears on his Bat-Radio-4 about a mugging in Sunderland one evening, and he's hosting a reception down in his home town of Hugh-Grantenshire, he's going to have to struggle into his armour, fire up the "war-horse" and chug off to the scene of the crime: he might get there next morning if he's lucky,

Not only does this scheme suggest that Britain/England is essentially a village -- one guy is all we need to fight crime, and as it all happens within earshot of a rectory bell, it seems England is perhaps a square mile in size -- it's based on a sense that America has virtually no contact with the rest of the world.

The Knight has been inspired by Batman and thinks England needs its own version; but almost since his inception we've seen Batman not just capable of travelling the globe, but of exploring space, time and other dimensions. With territory that vast, surely he could also cover England, and not need some second-rate counterpart. Taking the post-Crisis official continuity, Batman trained all over the world and as a member of the JLA, again, has a global remit -- the Batplane makes him no slouch even compared to his team-mates like Flash and Superman. Just as Flash would surely never consider himself confined to the US when he can step to Japan in half a second, so Batman, while prioritizing Gotham, has an eye on world disasters, conspiracies that threaten all of humanity. The idea that the JLA's a peace-keeping force for the human race but that we still need some village idiot to dress up like Batman in order to police "England" is pitiful.

Even the post-Crisis story of the Knight supposes a world where America basically stays out of people's business and lets other nations follow its example in their kooky, endearingly flawed way. Oh, how cute, England's got its own Batman! honey, let's get a picture of him in his armor. It's as though the US Army, far from being the global policeman, fought evil only within its own national borders, while England/Britain had a troop of Arthurian soldiers to handle its own problems and defend the White Cliffs of Dover.

I'd wondered how a British comic book writer like Morrison could possibly want to perpetuate this 1950s mythos -- but maybe that's the answer. It's quaintly out of date, but it's more appealing than the truth of 2004.
 
 
LDones
09:22 / 25.09.04
I have a hard time these days knowing when you're being Insanely Pedantic or Removing The Liquid Biological Waste, kovacs.

Bloody Morrison. Not advancing the perception of a unified global community and/or stressing the equal importance of all cultures and indeed individual human hearts and lives while simultaneously urging us onward into a new more politcally compassionate and even-handed world with his Justice League story. I hate him so.

Numbing absurdity is what the royal we like about the DC Universe.

Also gorillas.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
11:55 / 25.09.04
I'm glad my Barbelith persona has already fallen into the rut it took me four years to carve out on other boards.
 
 
The Falcon
12:47 / 25.09.04
The Knight = Shining Knight?

I know not originally, but.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
20:58 / 25.09.04
Isn't Shinning Knight going to be in 7 Soliders? There's probably a connection there.
 
 
matsya
06:35 / 26.09.04
hey, if the guy wants to ponce about in armour on a motorbike, why should anyone stop him? More power to him, I say.

besides, the squire's cute.

m.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:34 / 26.09.04
Ape = Mallah?

This looks really shit to mein eyes. That art's completely wankoid and I can't give a flying fuck about all these DC second-stringers.
 
 
osymandus
15:38 / 26.09.04
I have to agree with the above. Also Gorilla Grodd , last i recall , his just a super smart Psionic gorilla , his not bullet proof . These guys are ex-millitary arnt they .

Here furball white psopherus grenade !
 
 
A
16:15 / 27.09.04
I think Gorilla Grodd and Mosieur Mallah might be related, somehow. Possibly through marriage.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:45 / 25.10.04
Aaarggh. The art's fucking great - clean, Bruce Timm/Mangaesque.... What are you on about? And if I hear one more prick moan about "DC second stringers" or Gorilla Grodd.... Doom Patrol? Animal Man? Have you actually read any of Grant's work in the last 10 years? The characters are as good as the writing, and I'll say it again: It's supposed to be weird, mental oddness, garddammit! That's what Grodd and superfuckinghorses are for! Realism in super-comics is a fucking silly idea most of the time, anyway.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:46 / 25.10.04
Don't give on strangeness, people.
 
 
John Octave
18:28 / 25.10.04
I have had a BREAKTHROUGH looking at this today.

I was wondering about why Grodd appears to be bulletproof as well. Then I looked at the lines that I assumed to be bullets bouncing off his chest. (Page 2) They don't appear to be "bouncing off" upon closer inspection, but rather curving. So then I thought Grodd must have telekinetic powers or some such. And he's redirecting the bullets, right?

But look at the lines again on that same page. They're not even coming from the Knight's gun. And there's more lines zooming around all over the place at funny angles. Grodd even seems to crush one between his fingers with no effort. Curious? Go to Page 3 and you will find another such line zooming towards the Knight. And what's that at the end of it? Yeah. Those aren't bullets....

...they're miniature fucking airplanes! Tiny airplanes attacking a giant ape! You should all be looking forward to this.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:46 / 25.10.04
Not to mention the following, from this weeks' Lying in the Gutters:

>> [at the event,] Dan DiDio also let slip one of his favourite lines of dialogue from one of the upcoming [Grant Morrison] JLA issues, along the lines of "Alfred, has my flying saucer been delivered from the factory yet?"
 
 
FinderWolf
14:16 / 27.10.04
So should we discuss Grant's first new JLA issue here or open up a new thread for the actual issue?

This is out today, right?
 
 
Ben Danes
14:20 / 27.10.04
Next week Finderwolf. We3's out this week.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:47 / 03.11.04
*BUMP* TODAY!!!

Grant on JLA again makes me happy. Grant writing Gorrilla Grodd makes me even more happy.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:42 / 03.11.04
And I need a little quality comic escapism after the election...
 
 
doyoufeelloved
18:52 / 03.11.04
Damn it, I was just in the store but I hadn't realized this was out. Anybody want to give us a rundown?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:54 / 03.11.04
Yeah, today was really clutch for post-Electo sanity. Not only was JLA out, but The Intimates, Sleeper, Y, and Astonishing will all keep the sane fires burning until Friday & The Incredibles. And then it's all smooth sailing from there.

That being said, I was a mite disappointed with Classified so far, simply because I wasn't as completely invested in the new Ultramarines. It only got good when Bats showed up (and at that point it got brilliant). Kind of like Huckabees and Wahlberg. It wasn't bad without him, but once he showed up, you knew he was the reason why you were there. I do have to read it again though, as I was reading it while walking.
 
 
ciarconn
23:29 / 03.11.04
Spoiler alert (i think)







There's a chance Nebulon/the wild huntsman is not new... check out the first hunstman here
 
 
Mario
00:55 / 04.11.04
Nebula Man (mentioned by the Squire) is an old JSA/Seven Soldiers of Victory villain
 
 
ciarconn
01:41 / 04.11.04
yeah, just read about that...
Must related to that new series from Morrison.
Anyone care to make a list of name, nationality and powers from the International ultramarine corps? Some are just mentioned, and some I do not know (Glob?). Please?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:28 / 04.11.04
I'm not sure about the others, C, but Glob, I think, was invented by Len Wein, in what he later described as his late Seventies Decadent period, drawn by Neal Adams in what was considered, at the time, to be a fairly close to the bone series of appearances, given the issues they raised. Everyone involved had a few months off, after that.

Glob was similar to the Man Thing from Marvel, in many ways a difficult character to get right - I remember Glob doing a guest spot in Green Lantern/Green Arrow just before the end, plus he might have been in The Flash, and possibly tried to clean Superman's clock in the early Eighties. But he was always a fairly dark figure, Glob, paradoxically really, since he seemed to spend most of his time boasting about nuclear radiation, and the light he'd bring to the world.

I do look forward to seeing what George does with the big guy, though, and the terrible aura that was always his legacy.
 
 
LDones
02:32 / 04.11.04
I loved the Ultramarines, and I still do - this issue was a shitload of fun for me - Jack O'Lantern and Knight were fun. McGuiness + Morrison is a match made in heaven as far as I'm concerned. I've been waiting for this since he drew The Parasite confessing that he impersonated Lois Lane because he wanted Superman to love him those years back.

I could care less that it's insane that Batman keeps a secret lab on Pluto stocked with cryogenically frozen alien corpses and a robotic army of JLAndroids. Insane Is Gud. It's a hell of a lot more interesting than him acting like a repressed twenty-something mama's boy.

Batman is the ultimate Dom, what with his fancy outfits, his cadre of attractive subs and his closet of forbidden toys. George knows this. Like Neil Gaiman, he excels in writing yarns about the men he would most love to submit to.

Quick Breakdown of the Ultramarines! (partially from DK Books' glorious DC Universe Encyclopedia)

The Ultramarines were experimental soldiers who originally fought the JLA on behalf of the US government and the crazed General Wade Eiling. After discovering that they were dying as a result of their dedicated-marine to government-superhero transformations, they teamed up with the JLA to stop the General, who had transferred his consciousness into the body of the Shaggy Man. After their first adventure they retired to a floating nation called Superbia that flew above the ruins of Montevideo (the city destroyed by Tempest's rogue Rocket Red warsuit, deployed by Vandal Savage in DC One-Million). They became the International Ultramarine Corps and joined up with some other old-school or obscure superheroes.

Counter-clockwise from the flaming-headed Irishman:



1) Jack O'Lantern III - Factory worker Liam McHugh inherited the 'pumpkin of power' from Jack O'Lantern I (Daniel Cormac). Basically has powers like the Green Goblin.

2) Goraiko - Japanese sumo super-creature! Has actually never been in anything outside of that splash page in JLA #26). Crushes and burns things, apparently.

3) Flow (Dan Stone)(Original Ultramarine) - Living liquid, and they apparently now call him Glob, for some reason.

4) Pulse-8 (John Wether) - Utilizes the "unified field harmonic" to wield atomic powers. Now has a Cosmic Keyboard that makes me smile like a schoolgirl.

5) Warmaker-One (Scott Sawyer) - Robbed of his physical body, Sawyer is now only the stealth weapon-suit Warmaker One. Leader of the Ultramarines.

6) Knight (II) - Son of the Earl of Wodenshire (Knight I) and the former Squire. He's the English Batman. 'Nuff said.

7) Squire (III) - English Robin. 'Nuff said.

8) 4-D (Lea Corbin) - has powers of ther full spectrum of the 4 dimensions - can go 2-dimensional to fuck with people. Recently helped out Wonder Woman.

(Not pictured and not in JLA: Classified #1, but still in the Ultramarines)

9) Vixen - Feline animal superheroine. In touch with the same morphic field that Animal Man taps into.

10) Olympian - bizarre Greek hero with the spirits of the Argonauts in his head - seriously.
 
  

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