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Rev. Wright
15:22 / 19.01.02
Well what can I say?
 
 
Bear
17:43 / 19.01.02
I'd very much like to meet this band
 
 
Papess
19:47 / 19.01.02
Me Too!
 
 
Ierne
09:33 / 20.01.02
From the website:

When a woman can't even strip to the waist and play a bitching, head-down guitar riff, have her lead singer fuck her with a strap-on whilst a stage surfer licks her feet without authorities wanting to ban over 18's from coming to see it - well, what has the world of rock and rebellion come to !?

Indeed.

Best of luck to them!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:33 / 20.01.02
That's all well and good, but do they have any decent tunes? I've found that more often than not, if your name doesn't begin with "Sun" and end in "Ra", these sorta things usually end up being very slim pickings in the music part of the deal...
 
 
Papess
09:33 / 20.01.02
I am wondering though...where does the actual magick come in? Are these party girls well versed in magickal reference or is this a lot of smoke...*ffffffftt*, and mirrors...*sniiifffft* or what?
Whatever training they have (or don't) still doesn't seem to get in the way of the overwhelming urge I have to spank those bad ass bitches! Hell, I will train them myself.

~May Tricks
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:33 / 20.01.02
I must say that the fact that all of them are a similar brand of 'hot model porno chick', my cynical side gets to thinking that this is may be some kinda scam - like they were put together Menudo style or something...
 
 
Bear
09:33 / 20.01.02
I downloaded a couple of their tracks last night, quite cheesy "Lucifer" and also a charming live version of their classic "Fistfucking" and by the sound of the crowd that is indeed what they were doing on stage - they even had a little coutdown for the amount of fingers...
 
 
Rev. Wright
10:10 / 20.01.02


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Naked Flame
10:15 / 20.01.02
so the backstreet boys and N'Sync shouldn't be too worried about the competition just yet, eh?

I looked at the site and thought hmmm. I wonder what their magick does for live performance, or what their live performance does for their magick. It seems a leeeeeetle confrontational- wonder if the shock tactics are to generate emotional energy? or just for fun? pretty much what you were pondering, May... but while I'd say best of luck to 'em something about it makes me uneasy.

Guess I'm never really going to understand left-hand pathers. I get the part about performing actual sex magick as opposed to visualisation (more vivid, power of physicality, and more fun!) but the whole 'dark goddess' bit... why, exactly? (although it does mean that there's absolutely no way this mob can be confused with yer average new-age peace-out fluffball green ray feminist celtic vocalists... image is all!)
 
 
Papess
11:23 / 20.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flame On:
I looked at the site and thought hmmm. I wonder what their magick does for live performance, or what their live performance does for their magick. It seems a leeeeeetle confrontational- wonder if the shock tactics are to generate emotional energy? or just for fun? pretty much what you were pondering, May


Yeah Flame, preeeety much!

I have walked the left path and the right. I am not impressed by either because neither of those paths take me where I want to go.I prefer the middle-path. The right-handers can go to Heaven, the left-handers can go to Hell (This is not an insult to them, I am sure, and it is not meant that way.) I however, am definately going HOME.

~May Tricks
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:38 / 20.01.02
They are not a novelty band,

As a person who had now listened to seven of their songs, and read through their entire webpage in a fit of extreme boredom last night, I will say this: Yes, they are most certainly a novelty band. They practically define novelty band. Maybe they are serious magicians, maybe they are dead serious about the sex cult thing: in terms of music, they are a novelty group.
 
 
Papess
19:12 / 20.01.02
How to Become A Witch in Nine Easy Lessons
by Don McLeod

Rule # 1: Image is Everything. After all, what's the good of being a Witch if nobody knows you are one? You must therefore wear black at all times. If possible, stay out of the sun until you become really pale, as this makes the effect even better. For women (and adventurous males) dark eyeliner and black nail polish can enhance this look. Also wear crystals and cheap occult paraphernalia at all times, and make sure that these are as gaudy and bizarre as possible, as this can only help your image. Wearing a pentacle around your neck is an absolutely necessary accessory - the bigger the better! Capes and cloaks are optional around town - it depends on how much of a visual impact you want to make, but either of these are also crucial apparel at any ritual or gathering that you may attend.

Rule # 2: Name Dropping is Good. Every serious student of The Craft (and I'm talking here about the term for Witchcraft, not macramé) knows the name Gerald Gardner(replace with Anton Sanzdor LeVay in this case!). This man revitalised Witchcraft in the mid 1900's with his book about the true history of The Old Religion (some have called this book pure fiction, but only those picky few who like books to be based on facts). Real Witches however, never let historical accuracy get in the way of their spiritual path, so in conversations with other Witches, quote his name as often as possible (in tones of awe) and you will always be rewarded with smiles of acceptance.

Rule # 3: Past Life Name Dropping is Even Better. Tell everyone about the past life memories that have been surfacing since you began studying the Black Arts. It is especially useful to remember a past lifetime as a Witch who was killed during the Inquisition, or at least recall a lifetime as a famous occultist. My past lives have included Aleister Crowley, Cagliostro, Mandrake the Magician, and most of the cast of "Bewitched".

Rule # 4: Behave Strangely. Never forget why it was that you wanted to become a Witch (Or a Bitch) - yes, so that you have an excuse for strange behaviour. Previously labelled eccentric behaviour patterns can now be accepted by others if they have a reason to explain it, even if that reason for howling at full moons while naked is simply, "He/she is a Witch, that's normal for them evidently." So, don't let your friends down, behave strangely, you can get away with it now.

Rule # 5: Watch Occult Movies. Make sure that you watch the movie "Warlock" lots of times to perfect those soft landings after over-indulging with the flying ointments (read as mead and weed).

Rule # 6: Ready Yourself for Sex, Money and Power. Wasn't this the other reason you were drawn to Witchcraft? In the past, adepts of the occult were known to possess charismatic, lusty and powerful personas - when people find out that you are a Witch, they may automatically assume (and therefore empower you) with these same qualities. This may sound pretty good, but unfortunately in today's world, another group of people have become even more established within the realms of kinky sex sessions and unlimited power - yes, the politicians! Beware of this elitist group of power-brokers...they don't want any competition to their manipulative monopoly over the gullible public - hence the laws against Witchcraft and divination that have remained unchanged for centuries. So, if calling yourself a High Priest doesn't lead you to unlimited sex, money and power - or if it does, but you then find yourself as the target of political and legal harassment - you may have to put aside your cloak and broomstick and pick up a pin-stripe suit and a back-bench in Parliament. If you can't beat them, try bribery, then if that doesn't work...join them!

Rule # 7: Atmosphere is Essential. Your home must reflect your Witchy nature. Incense must burn continuously. It's important that visitors see clouds of incense smoke billowing from a spluttering censer in the corner of your dim, dank and dusty home, so dismantle the smoke detectors and start collecting strange little bottles of exotic looking ingredients (use your imagination and label them with names like powdered bat's eyes, or dried dragon's gonads). And if you don't like housework, you can explain that the layer of dust that covers your floors and furniture helps to neutralise the highly charged psychic energy that results from your magical spells, thereby protecting your home and possessions from electromagnetic disintegration.

Rule # 8: Be Patronising to Christians. In social discussions don't forget to make plenty of derogatory remarks about fundamentalist Christians, but remember to save your most biting comments for other Witches that you don't get along with.

Rule # 9: Brag About Your Psychic Powers. Any self-respecting Witch will tell you that after their initiation to Witchcraft, their psychic powers awakened and their tarot cards (which they always carry with them) are now much easier to read (they now get something right once in a while). They will also tell you that they can now sense energy fields (in other words, they don't bump into things as often as they used to). Follow this example and brag about the rapid development of your psychic abilities since your initiation. If asked about your initiation ceremony, simply state that you were sworn to secrecy about it, then quickly change the subject by mentioning your newly awakened ability to detect Ley-lines, but try to remember that a Ley-line is not a queue for the after-ritual orgy!

Now you know how to pass yourself off as a real Witch, so place that broomstick in a conspicuous corner (one that is not clouded by too much incense smoke); pull on those black clothes; give everyone that you meet a sinister look - and your social status will improve overnight. If you do all of this successfully, you may even find yourself with enough adoring acolytes so that you can start your own coven (or band)!

A little somethng more like this!

~May Tricks
 
 
Naked Flame
22:21 / 20.01.02
rofl hahaha lmao

i've met more than a few people like that. hell, I've even done a few of those myself in my time...

I didn't listen to their stuff. Based on Flux's report I'm glad... anyone else get reminded of GWAR?

y'know the one thing that bugs me about it, though... this business of wrapping up sexual liberation with LHP magick. Lightworkers fuck too...
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
22:58 / 20.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flame On:

I didn't listen to their stuff. Based on Flux's report I'm glad... anyone else get reminded of GWAR?



"Rape his woman, steal his bone, leave a booger underneath his throne."

GWAR is the pantheon of Chaos gods.

quote:
y'know the one thing that bugs me about it, though... this business of wrapping up sexual liberation with LHP magick. Lightworkers fuck too...


Yup. The whole LHP RHP dichotomy frustrates me sometimes. Some LHP people I know are the most responsible and nice people (they'll throw down on you if you fuck with them but unless you do they're really nice) around and some 'lightworkers' I know are so out of touch with their shadows that they end up being complete and utter assholes.

The biggest difference seems to be that the 'lightworkers' rationalize their nastiness and the Left hand folk will just admit that they've got a nasty streak to them.

Gwar's the only group to have people enlightened enough to have spiked penii though.
 
 
Ierne
11:38 / 21.01.02
Flux: it's rather surprising to find you posting here in the Magick, since you've made quite the point in previous postings elsewhere (as well as in person) that you have absolutely no interest in it.

Undoubtedly the band's music is not to your taste, which is fine. But may I suggest that the main point of a "novelty act" is to make money? Any attention-getting shenannigans a "Menudo-type band" undergo is in order to make a buck. These women could make a lot more money if they toned down their act, which they don't wish to do. So I respectfully disagree with you there.

Will "it work": Didn't Pat Mills write Slaíne? Or am I thinking of someone else...as for "potential psychic combat", That's a rather over-rated concept, no? I should think the band members have more important things on their agenda.

...but the whole 'dark goddess' bit... why, exactly?– Flame On

Why not? DARK DOES NOT EQUATE WITH EVIL, PEEPS.

But, oh wait! Happy Monday! We've got:

I have walked the left path and the right. I am not impressed by either because neither of those paths take me where I want to go.I prefer the middle-path. – May Tricks

It's...all...the...same...path. The difference is in individual perception and individual choices made along the path. *sigh*

Thank the Dark Goddess of choice (Hel? The Morrígan? Hecate? Kali? Tlazeteotl?) for Lothar:

The biggest difference seems to be that the 'lightworkers' rationalize their nastiness and the Left hand folk will just admit that they've got a nasty streak to them.

I'm feeling that nasty streak right about now....

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Bear
12:01 / 21.01.02
Well after further poking about and talking to people I've find out these ladies are for real and aren't just novelty so respect if due I think... I've also been given the chance to meet them - could be fun
 
 
FinderWolf
12:40 / 21.01.02
I assume they only play in the UK? I'm one of those American dudes.......
 
 
Rev. Wright
13:04 / 21.01.02


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Ierne
13:21 / 21.01.02
The politics at play here are not of which path one should follow, but the intent of some with ability to exploit the innocence and nuerosis of others. Ego gratification can be found on all paths, but how far do you go with it? – Will "it work"

I would think that's one of the more important lessons one learns on this path. That, and how not to be explioted by those more skilled than you. In so doing, one hopefully loses naiveté (which is probably a better term to use here than "innocence") and any neuroses one starts out with.

Sam Mathers could be construed as having used his "ability" to exploit the members of the Golden Dawn, eh? Ego gratification can indeed be found on all paths!
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
13:34 / 21.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:


I'm feeling that nasty streak right about now....



<voice of the Emperor>
Excellent! Now, give into that nasty streak. Create a fictionsuit that will flame in ways that 'Ierne' would never consider and your journey to the Dark Side will be complete!
</voice of the Emperor>

<clears throat to get voice to go back to normal>

Ierne's example of the Golden Dawn is a really good example of a group who's political history continually slid through all the shades of gray.

I'd love to see a soap opera called "As the Dawn Sets" or something like that. I think it would do very well with the Jerry Springer crowd.

"Today on 'As the Dawn Sets' the part of Aleister Crowley will be played by stage actor Guillo el Managuillo."

 
 
Papess
13:40 / 21.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:
It's...all...the...same...path. The difference is in individual perception and individual choices made along the path. *sigh
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Give me some credit Ierne. I know they are the same path (try telling that to a christian or a satanist!). For the sake of the conversation here , refering to the duality we are subjected to on this world is the way we make sense out of it. This isn't the Absolute.

~May Tricks
 
 
Ierne
13:51 / 21.01.02
For the sake of the conversation here , referring to the duality we are subjected to on this world is the way we make sense out of it. – May Tricks

I'd be more than happy to 'give you some credit' if you would be so kind as to change the "we" in your above sentence to "I". (I'm very agreeable about disagreeing with other people – to each one's own. ) But not everyone makes sense of the world by "referring to...duality". Some of us don't even pay attention to it, choosing other perspectives that bring more than two alternatives into play.
 
 
Bear
13:57 / 21.01.02
Personally I prefer some order to my choas - so I like to keep the 2 separate That way I can jump between the 2 systems easier than walking down the middle like a drunk on the way home.. but like you said to each their own
 
 
Rev. Wright
14:03 / 21.01.02


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Lothar Tuppan
14:14 / 21.01.02
<suddenly feels gravitational pull drawing me back into the singularity that is the Barbelith good/evil duality topic... somebody, for the love of Azathoth, stop it before it gets to the children!>

Ah, what the hell.

My problem with philosophical dualities is that more often than not they are false dualities when put into the context of a metaphysical practice.

I've heard people state things like 'order is the bane of the chaos paradigm' to which I say BULLSHIT. If you're looking for meaning in your life or a way for things to work right and make sense then you are looking for a sense of order. Chaos works very well when contained in an ordered sense of self-esteem and purpose. False duality. Chaos without the order and the magician fails to achieve the discipline needed to be effective. Discipline and skill fall firmly within the 'order' category.

Same with the whole left, right, middle thing. Yes there are axe murderer types who I may consider to perpetrate 'evil' acts and humanitarians that I consider to perpetrate 'good' acts. But when it comes to magical systems and groups, more often than not they are all walking the same path, trying to push each other out of the way.

If one of the goals' of magicians is to free themselves of the illusions imposed by others and their societies then breaking out of their little cubby-hole categories is necessary.

Or maybe I just don't like to play by their rules. I think it just creates a greater sense of separation and difference between us all. And maybe, that's the point of their game.
 
 
Rev. Wright
14:23 / 21.01.02


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Papess
14:36 / 21.01.02
I was refering to those who use that system. I believe it is more than just myself.

PLease Ierne, I am not going to debate this. If I choose to believe in duality and non-duality at the same time, that is my choice. I understand what you are saying abou it being the same path so, let's not argue over this. I have had this argument before and it is truly futile.
I really didn't appreciate the suggestion that I would be so unaware of The Path. I merely use duality to express a concept in conversation. I see the whole but I also see the indivisable parts that create that whole, ie: you and me.

~May Tricks

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Rev. Wright
14:47 / 21.01.02
or maybe this system?
 
 
Ierne
15:02 / 21.01.02
If one of the goals of magicians is to free themselves of the illusions imposed by others and their societies then breaking out of their little cubby-hole categories is necessary.– Lothar


This intern (in turn?), I would think, also relates to the actions of some wishing to entrap others in their illusion.– Will "it work"

But it's up to those "others" to decide whether or not to take part in the "illusion"experience and learn from it. They may glean something entirely different from the type of experience you seem to be suggesting (without suggesting, for reasons of your privacy which I fully intend to respect).

Admittedly, in respecting your privacy I may not be catching your drift. But if the non-suggested suggestion is that the band members are utilizing energy taken from "others" sexually for their own nefarious purposes...I'm having a difficult time getting past the Hammer Horror of it all, which is a shame because you seem very serious about this, Will. (So don't take it as a personal slap, please. Thanks. )

It's not as if anyone actually has to send them an e-mail saying "Yes, I'd love a shag actually, I'm at 22 Acacia Avenue..." In fact, The story about how they offered an orgy to a whole crowd and ended up with only two blokes is really funny!
 
 
Papess
15:03 / 21.01.02
Okay Will, I didn't get what you mean there. If you would indulge me in a little more explanation, I would greatly appreciate it.

~May
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
15:27 / 21.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:


It's not as if anyone actually has to send them an e-mail saying "Yes, I'd love a shag actually, I'm at 22 Acacia Avenue..."


I didn't know Charlotte the Harlot was a member of Rockbitch.
 
 
Ierne
15:38 / 21.01.02
Lothar: She should be!
 
 
Rev. Wright
16:28 / 21.01.02


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Ierne
16:43 / 21.01.02
Will "it work":

It would be difficult to be working within a Magickal framework for a certain period of time and not see such things as you describe, or indeed fall prey to them. I know I've certainly been burned by (Wiccan, in my case) covens with fishy hidden agendas.

Once again, I don't think you need to go into detail about your specific beef w/ the group if you don't want to – it's nobody's business, really. But I suspect we need a bit more clarification than your initial "Well what can I say?" before understanding why you chose to start the thread.
 
  

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