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20:48 / 28.08.05

I've had a 4year comic break the whole ultimates thing is confusing. Why do they want to reinvent an origin that's been retold numerous times before? Sooo confused.

20:54 / 28.08.05

So that a "new audience" can "relate" to the character and experience the joy of the classic character without all the backstory/continuity.

Try to find the flaw, with relation to the Galactus reboot...

09:27 / 29.08.05

I would say 'ah' and then make out it all now makes sense, but you still have the normal MU running along side it? Which is currently going through the house of m? Is that right? Where should I start? Or not bother?

11:52 / 29.08.05

Yes, that's right. The regular MU stills exists, although it's currently in it's "House of M" drag and the Ultimate Universe runs right alongside it. There is no conection between the two and Joey Q has recently said that there won't be any crossovers between them. He wants them kept seperate for as long as possible.

AS for where to start, what do mean? Where to start in the Ultiverse or where to start with House of M?

For Ultimate, I'd recommend The Ultimates. Maybe Ult X-Men if you're an X-fan.

For House of M, I wouldn't really bother. It's not very good. Some people like the Spider-Man M book, I think the Fantastic Four M book is ok. Others will be better able to point you in the right direction.

13:14 / 29.08.05

Besides, Ellis already did Ultimate Galactus over in Planetary. Twas ace.

13:44 / 29.08.05

Giant Alien Corpse = Alien

for me.

And Planetary's Galactus was piloting a zoo in the shape of a huge cigar.

15:28 / 29.08.05

I was thinking starting in general. I'll check out Ultimates and see where that takes me. As for the House of M. I might just stick to the main limited series.

Thanks for the reply.

11:51 / 30.08.05

have to agree with the above posts, the Ultimates is probably the most interesting thing in the UMU, both in terms of the quality of the writing and what it has to say about heroics, SHIELD and the characters themselves. the 'Ultimate 6' story featuring them and spidey is also alright and worth a read and if you can get the U - x-men from your local library i would have a read but don't think it is worth a buy.

12:33 / 30.08.05

Here's a q for those reading Ult XM:

Seeing as how the Ultimates are a US endeavor for a superhuman strikeforce, with PR and armed force back-up, wha's the difference between 616 X-Men and these kids? Seems to me to still be an old guy recruiting kids to wear spandex and be a para-military team. It doesn't feel like a school. What's the "realistic" spin?

13:03 / 30.08.05

When Millar was writing Ult. X-Men, he tried to play it as sort of a cult-- Xavier as a mysterious, charismatic figure who isn't telling the kids the whole story and whose motives are definitely not what he says they are (I suppose you could argue that this is just making plain all of the stuff that's between the lines in the 616 version). I think Vaughn has sort of drifted away from this, though, and is just writing teen versions of the 616 team.

13:49 / 30.08.05

What about the recent Steve Dillon drawn issue? That issue stressed Xavier's morally dubious nature and the terror that a telepath that powerful could evoke. I'd agree that it doesn't necessarily show up in the recent plot arcs, but I think it's still there.

rabideyemovement

14:40 / 30.08.05

If I hadn't read the title ULTIMATE X-Men on the front, I would have thought I was reading the 616 Marvel book... Don't misunderstand. It was a great story, but lacking in the thing which makes an Ultimate book feel Ultimate. Namely cinematic style.

15:04 / 30.08.05

cinematic style

I guess that's exactly my point. The thing that really puts me off Ult XM is the costumes. I can understand the somewhat militaristic padded uniforms of the Ultimates, but still, blue and gold? The "cult-like" aspects of Millar's run seem interesting and what I'd expect from an Ult book.

17:30 / 30.08.05

they just reported that...

>> Steve McNiven was hand-picked by film director Bryan Singer to be the artist for his run on Ultimate X-Men, it was revealed Saturday at Marvel Comics' Ultimate panel at the Canadian Comic Book National Expo.

Singer's run will be co-written by his two co-writers of X2 and reportedly, BKV might help out with the scripts (but he said not very much, since his schedule is packed right now).

13:34 / 08.09.05

New big rumor is that one of the writers on LOST, Damon Lindenhoff or something like that, will be writing the Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine limited series.

06:45 / 14.09.05

i was wondering what was going to happen to the hulk following his escape, just read the new ultimates trade and was strangely touched by the way the trial set up something like the old TV series, very nice

also hugely entertained by the defenders, brilliant, tho leaves the possiblity of a U-universe team a bit unlikely given the lack of superpowers, or much else in the team. they are so not going to get a supersoldier serum so i suppose magic is the only way they will ever become contenders. which leads me to my question, any suggestion that magic works in nthe U-Universe or is doc strange's stuff explainable by psychic powers from what you've seen?

08:43 / 29.02.08

just rebooting this threa having caught up on some recent ultimate trades and comics. and it seems to me that the ultimate marvel universe is a bit lost and it might eb time to set the phonenix corps loose on it.

the ultimates themselves have, as someone points out in another thread, just become the avengers - i think the point where it fell apart was where millar got asgard to show up on earth, loeb just rolled with the set up from that last poor millar issue and made it worse.

the FF have lost some of that joycore fun of the first trades of until 'frightfull', and i struggle to see what is interesting there now

the bendis spidey is still okay, uncomplicated fun but more often than not remote from the rest of the UMU, though the ultimate knights team up was a wasted opportunity as far as i could see.

must admit i haven't checked ult - x for a year or so and can't omment there

but taken together i can't see the point of the UMU anymore, other than it still sells, the sense of a coherent new universe has been lost, the sense of it being different to the 616 MU is diminishing monthly and the writing is not the best marvel can offer.

send in the pheonix corps i say.

The Natural Way

16:22 / 29.02.08

Largely, I think everyone here would agree w/ you, but I'm noty sure having Asgard show up on Earth was a bad idea. I'm fairly sure that would've happened at the end of the movie, so I don't see it as indicative of Millar moving away from an accessible, populist approach.

20:45 / 29.02.08

well, it just so happens they're about to do a major Ultimate-Universe-shattering event which they claim will CHANGE EEVERRRRYTHING!!! Remains to be seen, of course. But at the very least, it seems like the keepers of the Ult. MU know something needs to be shaken up.

Bendis' Ult. Spidey rocks as much as ever, I think, though.

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