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The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

 
  

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Haus of Mystery
21:07 / 20.12.04
Oh yeah - regarding the title, I'm with Finder on this one. I understand the jokey nature of the '..with Steve Zissou', I just think 'The Life Aquatic' alone sounds more... heartbreaking? Ambiguous? Poetic? I dunno, just better. A very minor quibble. I was until now unaware of the stop motion aspect. Now wetting myself.
 
 
CameronStewart
03:49 / 26.12.04
Well, it almost breaks my heart to read my first post in this thread. I caught the opening-day screening of The Life Aquatic this evening and it is my sad sad duty to report that I didn't enjoy it at all.

It's meandering, self-indulgent, shallow (no pun intended), and worst of all, boring. There's not a single interesting or likable character in the bunch, the performances range from mediocre to downright poor (Owen Wilson in particular, who even struggles to maintain his simple Kentucky accent), it's surprisingly technically shoddy (due to my disinterest in the story I started playing a game of Spot The Continuity Errors).

I read one review that said it was a "collection of notes for a much better film" and that seems to summarize it nicely - it never feels particularly finished, it seems like a rough sketch. Had it been made before Rushmore or the Royal Tenenbaums it may have been tolerable, but coming after those two brilliant films, it's a huge disappointment.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:01 / 26.12.04
Damn! I'll see it still, but an uber-fan like you not liking it gives me great concern.
 
 
gridley
17:53 / 27.12.04
I thought it was very good. The set design was amazing (visually alone, it's well worth the price of admission). The music was excellent. It wasn't Anderson's wittiest work yet, mostly due to Owen Wilson not being available to co-write, but I think calling it shallow and boring is a bit over the top. Afterall, part of the joy of stepping into a Wes Anderson film is that everything you know about the way movies work is about to get turned on it's ear. You have to learn to watch it on its own terms rather than comparing and contrasting it to other works (even other Wes Anderson works). It's a subtle, mellow meditation about family and what it means to be part of a family. I was quite happy with it.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:08 / 27.12.04
>>>I think calling it shallow and boring is a bit over the top.<<<

No, calling it "the worst movie ever made" or something like that would be over the top, but I'm not about to do that. I stand by my assessment. I didn't think that any of the characters were particularly well-developed - as I said above, they seemed like quick sketches instead of complete characters, and so their interactions with one another were meaningless and my emotional investment in the story was pretty much nil - and the story just seemed to fumble along without much idea of where it was going. I was REALLY bored by the end.

I'm not spitting bile at the movie, I didn't hate it, I was just deeply disappointed with it. It's hard to describe why it fell so flat for me, but it just didn't capture me at all. Even Anderson's deliberately-artificial fairy tale visual style - the symmetrical tableau compositions, the retro art design, the use of typography and written word as exposition - used to great effect in Rushmore and particularly Royal Tenenbaums, just seemed contrived and even desperate here.

I really wanted to love this movie, but I didn't.

It's scoring a particularly dismal 42% on Rottentomatoes.com, so I feel weirdly glad that it's not just me.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:53 / 27.12.04
I really liked the film, but didn't love it. Of all Anderson's stuff, the only thing I completely loved was The Royal Tenenbaums, the rest is generally good, but never great. Life Aquatic was a really strong film, that I really enjoyed, but it never quite made it transcended to great. The best moment was the jaguar shark confrontation, with Sigur Ros playing in the background. That was sublime, and alone makes the film worth seeing. I think most criticism would be that it isn't as good as Anderson's other stuff, which is valid, but underrates the film itself. Viewed on its own, it's quite good.
 
 
Tamayyurt
21:41 / 27.12.04
I was really disappointed as well. I did enjoy the music and the visuals but the story was just mediocre and the acting even worse. Bill Murray added nothing to the character, no emotional core, and so instead of being straight-faced funny he just looked really bored with the role. I also noticed Owen Wilson’s wavering accent but that was the least important problem with the movie. I guess the main problem was that none of the characters were developed (at all) so when you get to the “emotional” moments they seem misplaced and inauthentic.
 
 
eddie thirteen
04:40 / 29.12.04
I think I might have been disappointed if I'd gone into the theater having just seen Rushmore or The Royal Tenenbaums. But since the film I saw most recently was, in fact, Blade Trinity, that telltale Real Movie Taste was unmistakable. A subpar Wes Anderson film is still much more enjoyable than most of the dreck I've seen this year -- even at this time of year, when the Oscar contenders are supposedly out in force (and for once, I have no idea which films they're supposed to be...does anyone know?).

I do think Life Aquatic is a little self-indulgent (the first time you hear David Bowie in Portuguese, it's clever, if pointless; the tenth time, it's just pointless), and it definitely lacks the pathos of Anderson's previous films. The characters are more caricature than in the past, but...unlikeable? Not to me...Dafoe and Jeff Goldblum in particular give performances that are practically Vaudeville, but you've gotta one humorless sonofabitch not to laugh at their better moments. The characters are all flat, which was to me more of a letdown in retrospect than while actually watching the film; yeah, had Anderson gone the deeper route of his past films, it certainly would have been better, but it also would have been a different film altogether. This is clearly meant to be a light entertainment. Taken for what it is -- and in a field of releases so uninspired I can't think of what half of them even are -- I really enjoyed it.

And I don't think the film is completely *without* depth, either. The whole point seems to be that Zissou has turned his entire life into bad TV (why would a documentary *need* a script girl, anyway?), and that increasingly he's used that (well, that and an everpresent roach) to make his own experience of life a shallow one -- it's all theater. Outside the theater, there's a lot of pain and loss that's simply too much to be dealt with squarely. If the metaphor falls down, it's because we are shown the people in Zissou's life as one-dimensional; but I do think (without giving spoilers) that Zissou at least is allowed to become genuine by film's end. Whether his epiphanies work for you probably has a lot to do with how well the film has worked for you to that point...they do work for me, but definitely lack the same power as similar character developments in (especially) The Royal Tenenbaums.

More to the point, though, the theater I saw it in was packed, and people were laughing their asses off.
 
 
ibis the being
22:40 / 02.01.05
Wow... I just couldn't disagree more with the negative reviews in this thread. Cameron's in particular - of course you're entitled to your opinion, CS, but if someone typed out an antithetical statement to your every sentence, it would probably spell out my impressions of the film. In fact it seems almost silly for me to say what I liked about TLA, since it'll sound as though I'm just disgreeing with each of the points Cameron made... but I will anyway.

I felt the characters were fully developed, that these were characters WA had spent a lot of time thinking about and "living with" in the way that novelists do. Bill Murray/Steve Zissou in particular was ferociously sympathetic and appealing to me. I had the feeling that each of the characters had a past and future not captured by the movie, that they really existed beyond what we were shown. The movie as a whole is unusually structured but still cohesive, a bit more like a novella than the average screenplay.

I didn't compare it to Anderson's other movies, because I don't think you should. It's essentially different. I also didn't view it as a comedy, though it did had moments of comedy within it.

I really would hate for any Lithers not to see this film based on some thumbs-downs in this thread... I think posts like mine & eddie's prove, at the very least, that reactions will vary greatly.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:13 / 03.01.05
The key exchange in this movie is toward the end:

"In twelve years, he'll be eleven and a half."

"That's my favorite age."

I think that the people disappointed in this movie were expecting a tear-jerker like The Royal Tanenbaums or Rushmore, but it is, in fact, an adventure movie. It's easy to imagine Max Fischer making this wacky, zany paen to sensitive 11.5-year-old boys. I am utterly comfortable going so far as to call The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou Wes Anderson's most joycore movie to date.

However, Owen Wilson was kind of limp.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:19 / 07.01.05
I'm not the biggest Wes Anderson fan, really didn't like the Tenanbaums (which was kind of odd as I love Gene Hackman) so have been avoiding this, but semi-interested - maybe I'm missing something, maybe Anderson is good etc. Then a whole hand ful of people have reported back that it's not that good, so my interest has gone, gone forever I tell you.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
21:47 / 07.01.05
Benny, you are out of your cotton-pickin' mind.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
01:19 / 31.01.05
I haven't seen this film yet, in fact I'd kind of forgotten all about it. I wasn't too enthused from what I'd heard said about it, and figured I could wait for the DVD. But I was reading a good review and a little article which was fairly inspiring. And I know, if nothing else, I can still get excited about how it all looks. It inspired this little sketch, at least.

 
 
John Octave
19:39 / 02.02.05
I am utterly comfortable going so far as to call The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou Wes Anderson's most joycore movie to date.

That's the exact feeling I got watching this. Went in expecting something a little closer to Tenenbaums etc., but when Murray sees red, bites off his bonds, and fends off the pirates (pirates!), it clicked in my head. "Oh cool. Zissou Strikes Back!" I mean, hell, the movie involves a team of explorers invading a pirate island on a rescue mission. Such fun.

And the height of joycore-ocity I felt was at the end, when you have "Queen Bitch" playing and a reinvigorated Team Zissou gathers and strides proudly a la Buckaroo Banzai alongside the sea. I think it's important to remember that Zissou's documentaries are labeled "Adventure No. 12" etc. for a reason--this is an adventure movie.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:37 / 28.02.05
Saw this last night and have mixed feelings, but mostly positive. There were things i absolutely loved (the whole look of Team Zissou, the willfully fantastic sea beasts, Bill Murray, the mother-trucking ending) and things I liked less (Owen Wilson's uncertain performance, the length of the movie, too many characters). I can understand why some may find it indulgent and unfunny, but it just tickled me. Anderson knows how to make a film look and feel amazing, and there were just so many nice moments I forgave the slightly baggy feel of the movie. The sheer care in the details (the adidas 'zissou' for example) won me over.
Not his best, certainly, but still for me head and shoulders above most movies.
 
 
_Boboss
11:56 / 28.02.05
my dad hated it - said it was slight, whimsical, pointless, empty. i guess the film is highly concerned with oblique treatments of the notion of fatherhood and (post-)families, for someone who's lived through fatherhood in the real it might just seem fanciful and phoney. it tickled me near to pieces, had a rolling, open feeling that was very nice and:

wilson's go-thither accent - i thought it could be intentional (in my habit of making excuses for jarring bits in things that otherwise good me up) - burgeoning nationlessness kind of thing. his character was really rather sad. zissou probably wasn't his dad.

(blanchett's accent was bad too - no girls speak like that ever. my friend saw her in waitrose the other day.)

excellent gun-battles - the bit where goldblum gets shot at poihnt-blank range, then he's up and running around with his hand on a bullet wound near his heart, which they bandage like he was wounded in the shoulder? v funny.

i like the way the characters or ciphers i guess, slide neatly, quietly into place with each other - the wounded intern is the only one who makes it, willem defoe's grief is so much sharper than zissou's, but only his acknowledgement of it can soothe it. the crew make a good film, do the work to get the ship afloat again.

good colours. good costumes. good shoes.

and wilson enjoying a pipe up on the observation post at the very end. it's a feelygood film, if you think about it too much it could be easily torn apart, but the way the film made me feel means i'm less than likely to ever try that. recommendo.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:48 / 28.02.05
Went to see this last night, and I really really enjoyed it. Joycore is the perfect description of it. Dafoe was hilarious, and I loved the little bits from the likes of Goldblum and Gambon... Owen Wilson did seem a little off sorts. I felt like punching the air and screaming YES!!! when Stevie Z ripped off his bonds and blindfold and charged down the ship to the sound of The Stooges' Search And Destroy. Mothersbaugh did a great job with the score, and I actually liked the Bowie in Portuguese. Other than the escape from the pirates, the end was pure fun, although Queen Bitch, lyrically, was a kinda confusing choice...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:02 / 22.10.05
Watched the DVD the other night and was almost in tears by the end. It was just so... so... so! Steve Zissou and the exhaustion of being so old, I suspect he feels that he wants to go and be someone else elsewhere but really he doesn't. Willem Defoe is great. But that scene in the submarine at the end, it's that scene..., augh!

However, I will agree that the Portugese Bowie songs do get a little irritating after a while...
 
 
Mug Chum
00:39 / 03.10.07
Seeing this again on television, I'm quite amazed people didn't warmed up more to this little film (joycore is the word, alright). I think it's almost as quotable as Big Lebowski (almost, but very little is).

"but you stiched me to the dolphin, and I wanted you to know how much that means to me." -- "well, I'm very pleased you liked it." -- "YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!! I DIDN'T JUST 'LIKED IT'...!!!" (restrains himself). The rushed zooming in is just too frigin' hilarious (it's either a camera that's going along with his sense of reaching out very Arrested Development's Gob-like or that really wants to gets this stupidity up close as better as it can fast, it's perfect).

(Blanchett on the phone with her ex -- her baby's father)"We were attacked by pirates. I feel like life... ... ... ... well you get the gist of it, bye, don't try to contact me again." (hangs up)

"If you're not against me, don't cross this line" (not really the line, but Dafoe's acting full of purpose and certainty is mindblowing)

"I hear what you're saying, but... I think you misjudge the guy". (his face coming back to the door's window-thingy wouldn't be as fantastic if his leg weren't visible, it's a perfect little touch)

I never imagined Dafoe being this funny (here and in that portrait in Spiderman 3, which I'm still trying to hunt down an image of it). And the image of Goldblum just daftly standing still in the rain, frozen, with both hands on his heart amidst a shootout while everybody is crounching and shooting is just too amazingly funny.

But it's a shame that Seu Jorge's music only seemed fit in a few rare moments, in the sense that Anderson usually knows how to marry music and image (and dramatic context) -- only one I can remember being quite fit is his Life on Mars while we look at Wilson after hearing Eleanor saying Stevesy "shoots blanks".

And now we'll have more from the guy (who, from what I hear, is about to be geek-knighted for showing the world Natalie Portman in complete full frontal nudity).
 
 
CameronStewart
19:53 / 14.10.07
I watched it again recently in prep for Darjeeling Ltd and my initial cruel assessment of it has softened somewhat. I found more to enjoy this time around, likely because my expectations weren't as astronomically high as they were after Tenenbaums. I still think it feels incomplete, but I will retract my harsh review of a few years ago.
 
 
Mug Chum
01:46 / 15.10.07
I still think it feels incomplete

It does. Tenenbaums has a feeling that the lace was done neatly and tightly to the very last moment (and with more heart, which added to the comedy). This new one though isn't pulling me as much as "Wes Anderson's next film" and the cast does.
 
  

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