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grant
20:11 / 26.08.04
I've heard a couple covers by the Be Good Tanyas that I've quite liked.

As an unabashed plug, I gotta say that Bob Lind's stuff fills all of Jack Fear's descriptions of Simon & Garfunkel (although S&G made a better melody, I think), and, to Bedhead's post, that Lind lived next door to Smith in the 60s and, uh, Arlo Guthrie married his ex-girlfriend. (It's a small, small folk-rock world.) They're still friendly, tight enough that Bob's playing the Guthrie Center tomorrow -- so anyone near Great Barrington, MA should check it out.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:50 / 02.09.04
There are a few folky-type songs on the wonderful Future Soundtrack For America, a compilation CD put together by John Flansburgh of They Might Be Giants and MoveOn.org, basically a bunch of people who are fed up with Pres. Bush and want regime change at home. It's terrific. Highly recommended; I was going to start a new thread about this CD but I didn't think it was big-deal enough. However, this CD is really terrific, and the money goes to Democratic organizations, voter registrations, lots of anti-Bush causes.

It's got The Flaming Lips, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Tom Waits, Nada Surf, REM (one track from their new, political upcoming album), Mike Doughty of Soul Coughing, Will.i.am of the Black Eyed Peas, Nada Surf, The Old 97s, and more more more! something like 22 songs on this sucker. It really rocks.

Oh, and a small but fun cover image by Chris Ware!

more info & song list for The Future Soundtrack for America.
 
 
jmw
21:35 / 02.09.04
Not being English I've always wondered about English folk music—is it alive?

I don't mean, is it still recorded and played because clearly it is, but here in Ireland most pubs play (Irish) folk music regularly. Is there anywhere in England which is the same, or is it confined to festivals and special outlets?
 
 
Ganesh
23:26 / 02.09.04
Been meaning, for a while, to say that Jack Fear's analysis gets to the heart of things, for me. Feeling a bit ill-equipped to communicate more than basic gratitude. I'll return when I've listened to some of this stuff.
 
 
Saveloy
10:25 / 03.09.04
Ganesh, has anyone offered to do you a comp yet? I could slap a load of Joni Mitchel and stuff like that on a disc for you, if you like. I reckon some of Francois Hardy's stuff would tickle your fancy.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:51 / 03.09.04
I'm choosing tracks for a comp as we speak...
 
 
Ganesh
20:14 / 04.09.04
Oh yeah, Saveloy, sorry I didn't respond to your PM asking the same thing (I was having an 'ignoring PMs' period). I'd really be interested in a compilation - but I'm already reasonably cognisant with Joni Mitchell (I've always liked 'Ladies of the Canyon' particularly). Your kindness is much appreciated, guys.
 
 
Saveloy
15:29 / 07.09.04
Jack> Excellent! Any chance you could post the track list if'n'when it's done?

Ganesh> No worries, I just assumed you HATED ME, heheh. I might have a crack at putting a non-Joni, lovely tunes comp together anyway, cos I'm sorely in need of one myself, and if it's any cop I'll list it here for your perusal. Ah, Ladies of the Canyon is indeed lovely; have you heard 'For the Roses' or 'Blue'?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:28 / 07.09.04
Excellent! Any chance you could post the track list if'n'when it's done?

Sure. Some time after midnight GMT tonight, I should think. Rather worryingly, this single comp disc is threatening to become two, each (eek!) seasonally-themed.

I tend to associate acoustic singer-songwriter music with autumn and winter: that may be a quality of the music itself—as it tends to be relatively unadorned and clear, and can tend towards gloominess—or simply some weird associative thing on my part. I dunno: but that's the road I'm headed down...
 
 
rizla mission
17:31 / 07.09.04
I probably got enough stuff now to have a bash at a decent folky comp..

But then, you know me, I could probably blag my way through a compilation of Bavarian Polka or something given half a chance..
 
 
Jack Fear
12:21 / 08.09.04
Well, now, that took a little longer than we thought, didn't it?

As always, when making a compilation, I was pulled between two sonflicting impulses; Should such a disc be a sampler, every track excellent but discrete and compartmentalized, or should the disc as a whole be a thematically unified listening experience on its own?

In the end, I threw aside genre purity for unity of mood; herewith, the track-listing for this soundtrack to a rainy January day, a beautiful bummer that I like to call The Cold North Wind Doth Blow Again...

  • Introduction: The Chill Air
    Harold Budd and Brian Eno

  • Orphan Girl
    Emmylou Harris: written by Gillian Welch, produced by Daniel Lanois

  • These Days
    Nico: written by Jackson Browne

  • Winter Song
    Lindisfarne

  • I See A Darkness
    Bonnie "Prince" Billy

  • No One Is Watching You Now
    'til Tuesday (featuring Aimee Mann)

  • Georgia Lee
    Mr. Tom Waits

  • The Partisan
    Sixteen Horsepower: written, during WWII, by Anna Marly, but best-known in Leonard Cohen's English version

  • Rain And Snow
    The Be Good Tanyas

  • The Angel In The House
    The Story (featuring Jonatha Brooke)

  • The Wheel
    Rosanne Cash (with Steuart Smith on guitar)

  • Down Where The Drunkards Roll
    Los Lobos: written by Richard Thompson

  • Bring 'em All In
    Mike Scott (ex-Waterboys)

  • The Drowned Lovers
    Kate Rusby: traditional

  • Sally, Go 'round the Roses
    The Pentangle: written by Phil Spector

  • Get Me Through December
    Natalie MacMaster (fiddle), with Alison Krauss (vocals)

  • Where Does The Time Go?
    The Innocence Mission

  • Coda: I'm Going Home
    American shape-note hymn


  • So, yeah, mixed in with the acoustic-based singer-songwriter stuff there are side-trips through ambient pianism, 80s AOR, the fringes of country, and whatever bleak post-rock universe it was that spawned Will Oldham. I've gotta say, without any selfbackpatting, I dig the result. It's precisely the sort of comp that I burn for myself, and I hope y'all dig it.

    Already thinking about a prequel of sorts—more autumanl in tone—but this'll do for starters. 'Nesh, Xoc: watch your mailbox for a package from the States.
     
     
    rizla mission
    15:58 / 08.09.04
    Hey Jack, what's the going rate for copies of these fine sounding compilations?
     
     
    Jack Fear
    16:08 / 08.09.04
    The usual price, here in the Barbelith economy: something you made or compiled yourself—a zine, for instance.

    PM me your overland address, any interested parties.
     
     
    grant
    16:40 / 08.09.04
    Jack -- what's your take on 16 Horsepower? I got their album, but wasn't that impressed (had the one song I liked on it... three times, I think? Hazards of just slapping EPs together to make an album). They seem capable of doing really cool things, but I get itchy after about 15 minutes of 'em.

    Also, as a more general question, I just saw Cold Mountain and was wondering what other folks thought about the soundtrack -- Jack White and Brendan Gleeson doing "old time" folk music, often diegetically (meaning: they played musicians in the movie, and we got to see them play).
     
     
    Jack Fear
    19:05 / 08.09.04
    The version of "I'm Going Home" on Ganesh's comp is actually taken from the Cold Mountain ST. It's really not a bad little record—an odd one, though; it's clear that the studio was obviously angling for another O Brother Where Art Thou-style crossover hit, but the material is either too mannered (Elvis Costello's pseudo-parlor ballad "The Scarlet Tide") or too raw (shape-note hymns, campfire ur-bluegrass) to get any radio play.

    In either case, it's a self-consciously pre-modern kind of music—meant to emulate the sound of an era when music was performance-based and "immediate"—as opposed to O Brother proto-pop universe, where the Soggy Bottom Boys could sing into a can and folks from five counties around could hear the results.

    Some interesting songwriting exercises, though: I've made a bit of study of parlor songs from the Victorian era back to Stephen Foster, and Costello writes a pretty convincing simulacrum. The Sting track is another story—with its self-conscious archaisms ("You Will Be My Ain True Lover," indeed), as well as its use in the film, it seems to exist less on a literal level—that is, as music that might be performed in this film's time period—as a soundtrack to the character's emotional states. It sounds like witchcraft, like a pagan incantation, like a woman crazy in love literally willing her man to return home safe. I like it, actually.

    The Jack White stuff is a mixed bag. On the traditional tunes he sounds excellent—his vocal on "Wayfaring Stranger" is startlingly raw and unaffected. The song that he wrote, though, sticks out like a sore thumb: it's shockingly modern, operating in a confessional, emotionally intimate mode utterly alien to the time period—not just post-Civil War, but post-Dylan. It doesn't help that it's, y'know, not very good, either.

    But yeah, decent disc: better than the movie, which I thought overwrought piffle.

    Sixteen Horsepower have a bunch of albums, actually. I'd recommend Low Estate, which finds the group expanding from three members to four, which dramatically opens up the sound (it doesn't hurt that it's produced by John Parish, who did wonders for PJ Harvey). It's a bit of a slow grower, but it really works. There's this weird aura of menace around even their most upbeat stuff—for frontman David Eugene Edwards, imagine the banjo boy from Deliverance grown up and fronting the Bad Seeds: intimations of a taste for violence, and a deep ambivalence towards sex twinned with an obsessive religiosity. Even after many listenings, I'm still not sure whether Edwards's inbred God-botherer routine is genuine, or just a knowing schtick. That ambiguity makes for spooky, wrong fun.
     
     
    Kit-Cat Club
    10:44 / 09.09.04
    I saw 16 Horsepower a few years ago. The singer looks like he's possessed by something, though goodness only knows what. Eyes rolled back in his head and all that. The woman next to me said he was the most beautiful man she'd ever seen... no accounting for taste... They did a stunning show, though, really worth seeing if you get the chance. Really full of energy and... propulsion. Or possible compulsion.
     
     
    Jack Fear
    21:21 / 20.09.04
    Bump, prompted by receiving a ginchy-kool package from Rizla in today's mail...

    Apologies for the delay: compilations are completed and will be mailed this coming weekend. Ganesh, Riz--watch the skies.

    Anybody else wants in, PM me.
     
     
    Spatula Clarke
    18:20 / 26.09.04
    Can anyone tell me anything about Suzi Jane Hokom? She sings one very pretty track on Lee Hazlewood's Cowboy in Sweden album, but that's all I know about her. I've been meaning to find out more for years, but keep forgetting. Figured this thread might as well be the first port of call, now that I've remembered.
     
     
    Ganesh
    17:16 / 14.10.04
    Just in case you've not checked out the Gives me a happy thread, Mr Fear's package has arrived, somewhat overwhelming me with pop-folky loveliness. Many, many thanks, Jack - and more later...
     
     
    *
    15:12 / 15.10.04
    Hear any Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer yet? They're definitely American folk, with a lot of sort of semi-mystical influence in the lyrics, esp. on Tanglewood Tree and Drum Hat Buddha (haven't heard the others yet). Good stuff.
     
     
    grant
    16:24 / 22.03.05
    If any one is interested, through some OCD need for completion, I did me two mix CDs for spring & summer. They're not all folk, although they do have a few folkies on 'em (Hugh Blumenfeld, Pentangle, a couple others).

    And the "summer" one, of course, has some surf music and two (2) classic rock songs on it, because it's freakin' SUMMER, right?

    Anyone interested, PM me with an address!

    - g
     
      

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