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6FU - S4 - E4 - UK (spoilers to follow)

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
08:24 / 12.08.04
Lisa Fisher RIP

Woo-hoo, British TV has finally caught up with America to the extent that we get to see the start of season 4 of Six Feet Under while it's still showing in America. And the same week as The Sopranos starts again, and with rumours of very quick repeats on Channel 4 to come... Truly, we are blessed. Big who?

Let the DEATH and ANGST commence.
 
 
sleazenation
09:10 / 12.08.04
Flyboy may never leave the house again...
 
 
The Strobe
09:22 / 12.08.04
Nor me. I may not have E4, but I already have new Without a Trace, Nip/Tuck, new Sopranos next week, and S4 of 6FU and The West Wing to countenance in short succession. All the shows I watch all happening at the same time. This is diastrous.

I need a Tivo.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
10:43 / 12.08.04
Rock!
 
 
reFLUX
12:59 / 12.08.04
you guys will find that the prog is repeated the following week, on Tuesday's (17th start to be exact). so if ya don't have E4 you're not gonna miss it. it's on at 11:05pm.
 
 
Squirmelia
11:28 / 16.08.04
Tomorrow on Channel 4 then? Yey!
 
 
The Strobe
11:42 / 25.08.04
Episode 1 pissed me off a bit, but having seen episode 2, I'm beginning to get my head around this series.

Essentially, it's taking the tropes of previous seasons and messing around with them. Just like season 1, Nate is arguing for mourners to drop the bullshit and get down to what they really feel - except this time, they have, and he's the one getting obsessive and annoying by trying to make everyone feel as bad as him. Nate is basically anti-season-1-Nate - this time he's annoying, wrong, and leaving the business rather than joining it.

He's also much like Season 2 Brenda, in that a previously attractive and symapthetic character is basically pissing us off - it was OK in the last season, and I could kind of cope last week, given the proximity of Lisa's death, but he really is a stuck record.

Meanwhile, David and Keith are being anti, well, any previous series David and Keith. They're happy, they're sorting themselves out, they're being very cute, and Keith's reaction to David's impromptu blowjob was a) funny and b) remarkably mature. They're coping, they're going around things, and I really want them to get that house.

Brenda and Joe are being pretty normal and functional though I'm not sure that's going to last, so let's count them as wildcards.

Rico is completely bizarro-world-Rico. He just says the wrong thing everytime he opens his mouth. The phonecall to his stripper friend! Every single response was just entirely wrong. "She likes pepperoni pizza." [Empowered, manly]: "Yes. I could do that".

Not sure where Ruth is, but am getting annoyed by George. God, he's just a bit too earnest and tedious. I fear tears around the corner, but there's a certain kick to be had out of the way everyone else says the name George.

Sweet Arthur. Posting someone poo in a tupperware box. Arthur is basically unchanged, but more malevolent.

All that remains is where Claire is going, though I'm already thoroughly irked by the Mena Suvari character so am watching this storyline with faint disgust. Claire herself is on top form at the moment, but that could all fall apart.

I've heard many mixed things about this series, and it could be heading for a dive soon, but was quite pleased to see Episode 2 kick off the direction-shift that episode one had failed to do - it was more of a coda to season 3.

Keith as a security guard really is turning into Big Black Sex Cop...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:08 / 25.08.04
The first episode was very strange really - the decision to pick up exactly where we left off was a brave one, because it meant we had to work through so much shit. It would have been a lot easier to pick up a while later, but forcing us to struggle through Nate having his wounds tended to, Nate and Brenda having awkward not-quite-there sex, Claire telling awful emo-boy Russell abour the abortion, Nate sitting through Lisa's official funeral, Nate burying Lisa... Well, it makes you feel like you've struggled through it with the characters. It felt like such a relief when Nate started screaming, I almost wanted to join in.

Putting a break between episodes 1 and 2 of the new season rather than between the seasons seems to have gathered some criticism online, but I don't see how it's any different to putting the same break halfway through episode 1 of season 3... I think it was necessary, and I think ultimately it works.

The second felt more like a conventional beginning to a new season: set a few months later, and quite light-hearted. Well, fucking laugh-out-loud funny a lot of the time, from the convoluted opening death sequence onwards.

I always love the disfunction that goes on in the Fisher kitchen, and George's addition is a great way to amp that up again. Everyone hates George! They've all seen LA Confidential, boyo. The George/Arthur conflict is particularly awesome and beautifully OTT (George eating directly from the tub of yogurt bearing the enormous 'ARTHUR' label; Arthur looking 'formica' up in the dictionary and being outraged at George's LIES) - I kinda feel these two deserve each other. I suspect Arthur's time with the Fishers may not continue for much longer. But I also suspect he's not the one posting shit to George: it has to be an ex-wife, son or other family member from his past, surely?

Brenda is going to be a therapist - I cannot think of anything more simultaneously appropriate, inappropriate, hilarious and potentially cringe-inducing. She will be the worst therapist in the world apart from her mum.

Keith's new colleagues are like frat assholes dressed up like Matrix extras. This is perfect. He is so loveably goofy, whether knocking over the water in the interview (loved the goofy white guy too: "Mick Jagger is an MJ"), or trying to join the het-male-lechery-bonding: "I'd like to tap her. Ass."

Nate is essentially Peter Parker having the crisis of confidence in Spider-Man 2, down to walking past the crying victim so that the audience shouts "Oh, Nate: use your GIFT to save HIM!". I don't think he's the opposite of the character from the very first episode of the series - I think he's regressed to being that character, or maybe that's just how he deals with bereavement: impose his brand of "let it all out" grief on everybody else.

I was quite pleasantly surprised by Mena Suvari, since I expected her to be annoying based on that awful film about that guy's mid-life crisis with the red flowers and shit. I can see why Claire is attracted (platonically or otherwise) to this character, especially at this time in her life when she's been fucked about by so many stupid little boys.

Speaking of which...

The Tom Lenk cameo. OH. MY. GOD. "The crack of the world for all to use..." Andrew! That might be the greatest televisual moment of all time.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:42 / 25.08.04
Arthur is basically unchanged, but more malevolent.

Well, half of that is right...
 
 
The Strobe
16:22 / 25.08.04
Yeah - Brenda as therapist was another of the series-1 inversions; from railing against it to becoming it. I get the feeling she'll be as effective a therapist as Nate is being and undertaker, at the moment...

I did refrain from commenting on goofy-laugh-out-loudness, but you're pretty spot on with everything - the bodyguards! "You got any sunglasses?" and then the synchronized look at the floor. Also, I want more of psycho white guy - "it's OK, I once killed a guy on a domestic violence call"

I'm sure there'll be a twist in that it's not Arthur posting shit to George - except who else would post it in fucking Tupperware?

I was fine with the break between episode 1 and 2, and you're right, it's just like the first 15 minutes of 3.1; I don't feel series need to follow the same time-structure as the real world, and clearly the bad press that got on the net was from dumbasses.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:10 / 25.08.04
Brenda is going to be a therapist - I cannot think of anything more simultaneously appropriate, inappropriate, hilarious and potentially cringe-inducing. She will be the worst therapist in the world apart from her mum

Ha! Brenda will be a normal therapist.
 
 
Warewullf
20:37 / 25.08.04
Fantastic episode. I demand more Arthur/George rivalry!

I'm weirdly into the lives of these characters while at the same time I find it hard to remember exactly what happened in each episode. It all flows together. Like life, I suppose.

Anyway, I cringed when Keith and David were eating chinese together. I really thought we were going to have to go through another blazing row when David told him what happened. (My heart couldn't take that!) Loved that whole scene.

D: "I got a blowjob today."

K: "You did not."


The whole Keith-in-his-new-job thing was excellent.
 
 
Ganesh
22:57 / 25.08.04
Excellent episode; my points already made. I just wish my view of Keith hadn't been tainted by the actor appearing in those C4 ads claiming that mankind's best ever invention was "the Bible". For. Fuck's. Sake.

Still. Appreciating a relatively angst-free (for the moment) Keith/David.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:09 / 26.08.04
Anyway I cringed when Keith and David were eating Chinese together

Absolutely. Especially after the earlier scene when David was camping it up about Keith's future clients - " Russell Crowe ? Russell Crowe ? " - while Keith was trying to straighten his tie in the living room mirror.

It was a genuine relief that Keith didn't mind. At least for the meantime.

Excellent stuff.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:26 / 01.09.04
Y'know, a lot of (male?) people hated Brenda by the end of season 2, but I've never felt less sympathetic to her than I did after the way she reacted to Joe "coming out" as a submissive. Way to make it all about you, Brenda. Argh, and he was so nervous and sweet...

I worry about Joe. I worry that he'll become as devoted to Brenda as Billy is, with fucked-up consequences.

I also worry about: how happy Keith and David are ("shave my legs for free", tee hee!). Happy people, especially couples, are always being set up for a fall on this show.

I worry about Clare, and how disappointed she's going to be when a girl lets her down as badly as boys have (it's got to happen, right?). I quite like Edie, though. I think I like her for some of the same reasons I like Courtney Love, including who she pisses off.

Yet more cringe-inducing or painfully accurate moments this week. In the former category: Russell's performance of 'Froggy Went A Courtin''. In the latter: the awkwardness of Nate being told he's not allowed to stay in his new fuck-buddy's posh house all day while she's at work.

And kudos to the show for not worrying about how recent or cool a piece of music is, if it's in character and right for the scene. 'Lucky' is such a perfect Six Feet Under song.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
11:55 / 01.09.04
I'm curious...what is the most recent episode you have seen in the UK?

I love this show (I almost wrote "to death" and realized not even "no pun intended" could make that passable), and this season as much as the previous seasons...would love to discuss, but I'm worried about spoiler some things...particularly a few of the things it appears haven't been shown.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:35 / 01.09.04
Well, the most recent episode I've seen is number 3, 'Parallel Play' (and I just knew that was the title as soon as the mommy said the words). Some people will get to see 'Can I Come Up Now?' tomorrow night, others will have to wait until next Tuesday.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:42 / 01.09.04
who else would post it in fucking Tupperware?

Well that's a good question and who else would post it in a decorative tin (I love the way Ruth said that)? Obviously someone who's very upset about the shit inside the domesticity. It's got to be a relative surely.

The Rico storyline is really pissing me off. I would have preferred more Arthur and less boring strippers. It's just rubbisho.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
00:26 / 02.09.04
3-4 episodes in?

i need to stay faaaaaaaaaaaaar away from this thread!

the season gets better and better is all i'll say...
 
 
The Strobe
16:31 / 02.09.04
I'm definitely with you, Fly, on Brenda's reaction to Joe. I also had a slight chuckle when she used the phrase "normal sex", and half expected Joe to say "as in vanilla?" back at her. Then I realised that Joe didn't read Barbelith.

I really hate Edie, though; I'm finding Claire, and moreso her peers, are seeming really one-dimensional at the moment. I can see it's trying to demonstrate the shallowness of the whole art-school thing, but I'm surprised how thin Claire is being written at the moment - not just with contemporaries, but at home, too.

Also, Edie has a fucking stupid haircut.

The Rico-stripper thing is kind of car-crashy, but in a boring way; it's too obvious how disastrous it is. That said, I kind of liked the pastiche-pieta.

And finally: David and Keith. This is about the first time I have wanted to "heart" anything, but I really do. I heart David and Keith. They are awesome.

"I'd like to see you in leather chaps"
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:13 / 02.09.04
I promise you that as boring and annoying the Rico storyline is in the beginning, it at least gets marginally interesting later on. Mostly dud, though.

They really missed some great opportunities by letting go of Arthur. There's so much they could have done with him!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:22 / 02.09.04
Of course, we had no idea that he was not going to return until, hey, now...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:36 / 02.09.04
Froggy going a wooing, I think, may actually have topped Tom Lenk the week before. The sheer awfulness of arts students is clearly going to be a rich vein this season...

So, how do we feel about Nate? Dealing with bereavement the best he can, or finally having permission to be an absolute fucker?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
00:54 / 03.09.04
i love nate...like all the time, every episode. he's fucked up, he does fucked up stuff, but he's so...regular. all the characters are entertaining, but it appears to be the most grounded of all of them.

my favorite moment ever was when he whipped that engagement ring at brenda when they broke up. "don't you dare throw that at me...it's so cliche!" and he does it anyway. classic nate.

david's story goes...extremely interesting. hehe.
 
 
Ganesh
01:18 / 03.09.04
I agree that Brenda's callous bruising of John's coming-out-as-SM-bottom scene was both knuckleheaded and alienating. Brenda was my second (maybe-third) favourite character up until that moment. Vanilla cow.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:23 / 03.09.04
Dudes, this nudge-nudging is utterly pointless. We know you know what happens. You don't get bonus points for being American.

Ruth's delivery of "decorative tin" was absolutely beautiful, as indeed was James Cromwell pretty much passim. I love the way he is inhabiting the character... simultaneously bufferish, a little self-important and hinting at being both more sinister and more sad than he is letting on.

I can tell from here that Mena Suvari is going to irritate the hell out of me, however. Horny Dawny, on the other hand, I am rather enjoying so far.

Meanwhile, on BrenDSM... I agree that it was pretty nasty, but it sort of makes sense. I mean, she *is* a sex addict. Sex for her has always been about fulfilling needs unrelated to the actual mechanics and the intimacy of sex, and she could be forgiven for shying away from something else that appears to be using sex as medium rather than a message. Which is not how I see it, but I can see why she would.

Also... brenda reminds me somewhat of a friend of mine, who has had a lot of sex in her life, but not actually very much good or interesting sex. Which is possibly why I suspect that the obsession with Nate is quite closely related to the fact that he is pretty much the only person she has had a remotely long-term relationship with as an emotional adult, and so the only person with whom she has had a much nuanced sexual relationship. I can see why she might be concerned about something apparently getting in the way of her desire to replicate that.

Not reflecting the views of the management, of course, only speculating about the character.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:59 / 03.09.04
Well, it's clear that she tries to make up for it, but still... Joe seems too good for Brenda, which is a little ironic since by the end of last season I was thinking that she is now too good for Nate. I suppose the pattern with new characters to this show is that they appear at first to be either much nicer and less dysfunctional than the existing characters or much worse, and then they get rounded out later. George seemed pretty lovely when we first met him... (AGree that Cromwell plays him nicely, and maintains a pleasingly understated level of 'capacity to irritate if you had to live with him', which the rest of the family respond to equally subtly by saying his name pointedly at the end of sentences.)

Haus, I think both those things are true of Nate at once, y'know? He's been through a lot of shit, and he is a bit shit. Although not shit in tupperware.

I still don't quite get the Edie hate - yes, she's not very multi-dimensional yet compared to some of the characters - that's because we've only just met her (see above theory on new characters). Are people annoyed because Claire likes her so much and they don't see why?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:01 / 03.09.04
Meant to say about Joe: I suspect if Nate found himself an equally likeable new girlfriend I would spend a lot of time shouting "RUN AWAY!" at the screen...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:03 / 03.09.04
Well, we saw what a hopeless mess Nate is... the bit where he apologetically confesses that he has no idea why he is trying to stay at single mom's bed.

(Oh, another fantastic moment - when Nate is looking at the fire, and asks what is going on, and David and Claire simultaneously give him a look. Very nicely done.

I am missing the sadness - the gravity that ballasted his pomposity sometimes - about George that cropped up at the end of the previous series, but I expect it to kick back in.

As for Edie - I don't think I'm possessive of Lauren Ambrose. It's more that, having been quite cool last week, this week she undermined masculine privilege and the idea of the phallic rock star in the least interesting way possible. Also, one of the things I like about SFU is that it provides a televisual environment where gay affection and sexuality can be dealt with in a reasonably sensible and adult fashion. I hope that hottt teen leeeeeebians can be handld in the same way, but me no sure...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:14 / 03.09.04
Well, we saw what a hopeless mess Nate is... the bit where he apologetically confesses that he has no idea why he is trying to stay at single mom's bed.

To be fair, I also think the message of that little fling is "don't fuck people because you think it's cute the way they're all bereaved and sensitive and shit".
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:14 / 03.09.04
Shit! Way to start a show when I'm not in the country!

Flux: which episodes were on while I was in the states? I caught the first two, I think they'd be the ones from the first two weeks of August.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:11 / 06.09.04
Suedey, if memory serves, you saw "The Dare" and maybe "Grinding The Corn."

Do the math yourself - "The Dare" is the one with the lonely little petunia, which I know you saw.

01 Falling Into Place
02 In Case Of Rapture
03 Parallel Play
04 Can I Come Up Now?
05 That's My Dog
06 Terror Begins At Home
07 The Dare
08 Coming And Going
09 Grinding The Corn
10 The Black Forrest
11 Bomb Shelter
12 Untitled

Sorry about the Arthur thing - on one level, I thought that it was very obvious given what happens on screen and behind the scenes (Rainn Wilson was contracted to work on the American adaptation of The Office.) If nothing, think of it this way - now you don't have to be disappointed when he doesn't come back later on. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll return in season 5.

Re: Edie - I like the way that her character was portrayed, particularly in the beginning, as being a person who might seem really cool but is not in fact that interesting or talented as an artist. Claire is responding to Edie's undeniable self-possession and confidence, not the actual content of her work. As viewers, we are meant to notice that Edie's work kinda sucks.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:32 / 08.09.04
Ah man, I'm really fed up with this show - in the sense I feel a bit out of it because I didn't catch the first three episodes. After reading this thread I'm feeling like I've worked my way in a little more, though. Although I'm dissapointed at missing some key enjoyable moments (Andrew! Lenk! and... Arthur!)

I very much enjoy George's bumbling adventures around the house, as well. Boyo. He really does hit the right tone between well meaning and incredibly irritating, and I love what an incredibly oaf-ish man MAN he is, always baffled at Ruth and her (often hilarious/increasingly sad) emotional outbursts.

I was kinda pleased to see Olivier was still knocking about - and with Brenda's mother no less. I cannot think of anything more horrific than this. Joe. Joe is just lovely, really. I just can't help feeling awfully sorry for him, though. In the sense I wish I could (hypothetically) rescue him from being on this show just so he could be safe.

I hope to see a bit of BILLY! sometime, even though that invariably consists of a panick-y viewing experience.

Claire/art students did seem a bit off today, but only in the sense that is exactly what it's like. Annoying in a good way, I guess, although I couldn't work out why Claire was acting like that at this present time. I don't know, I always feel protective of Claire and as if I want to sit her down and lecture her, to protect her. I don't know enough about her friends yet. Edie and Anita, right? Somehow I've missed many details.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:41 / 08.09.04
Best episode of the season so far? Or is it just that at this point, the storylines have been going for a little while and start to feel richer etc? Or is it just that this one had relatively little of the Rico/Infinity plot?

Okay, on with the good:

- Nate. I think we have answered Haus' question about Nate now: he's just incredibly fucked-up by Lisa's death still. So much so that even when he tries to have a Maya-free, funeral-free weekend and get back to traditional classic Nate pursuits (smoking weed and jogging - jogging! - dear God, I yelped for joy when I saw him jogging again), he's still so overwhelmed by his grief that he serves as a beacon for a dubious psychic's seeker dog.

I tell you, when he said "But I'd only just started loving her... I wanted to give her what she deserved...", I nearly lost my shit - no, there's just something in my eye, honest...


- Brenda. I'm sure the structure of this was deliberate (not least because they've done it before, with Billy especially): in the episode after the one in which Brenda does something really annoying, have her meet up with her mother to remind you that really, both kids have done incredibly well to survive their upbringing with whatever measure of sanity, stability and likeability they do have. Brenda's mother is the most evil creature ever to walk the earth. She is something you tell children about to frighten them at night. The fact that she is still with Olivier is both horrendous and horrendously perfect - there's a moment when she says something about him never having to worry about money again because she'll keep buying his paintings, and he shoots her a resentful look that made me think: "wow, Olivier really HAS got what he deserved!"

What's scary is how much influence Brenda's mother still has over her daughter: deliberately or not, she effectively plants the idea of wanting children in Brenda's head. As for "Isn't it nice to be with someone who's your intellectual equal?" - way to drive her back to Nate, eh?


- Nate, Brenda & Joe. I am really impressed that this show can simultaneously make me think "okay, I remember why Nate and Brenda work, I'd kinda like to see them get back together" (for the first time this season), and "actually Brenda and Joe seem to work quite well, he's wonderful, isn't he?". I think the only solution is for Joe to get his own spin-off show, full of exiled 6FU characters, like Arthur and Parker the DangerSlut as sidekicks, and The Hott Rabbi as his love interest/top.


- The Bjork of LAC Arts. Too, too accurate. I envy anyone who has never been in a situation in which they or the other party asked for too much instruction. Again, what was nice about this story was the fact that you end up thinking that everyone needs to change a little: Claire needs to be a little less repressed; Edie needs to be a little less know-it-all and "one day you will be as liberated as me"; Jimmy needs to be a little more instinctive.

- Whoever came up with the idea of casting Dawnie as Celeste is a genius. There's loads of really clever subtextual commentary about het male culture, gay male culture and shiny teen pop culture (and all the overlaps) going on here, but I don't really have the time/space/brain power to try to unpick the threads right now... Suffice to say: "five, maybe six times a week..." - hee!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:19 / 08.09.04
Again, what was nice about this story was the fact that you end up thinking that everyone needs to change a little: Claire needs to be a little less repressed; Edie needs to be a little less know-it-all and "one day you will be as liberated as me"; Jimmy needs to be a little more instinctive.

And what about Anita and Russell? What's your advice for them?

Anita, Anita, Anita - the secret star of season four! (I'm not hinting or spoiling anything, this is just my opinion about the character.)

I wasn't into Jimmy at first, and they never really give you all that much of him, but I kinda like him. He's alright, you know? You're exactly right about him - he's a guy who is always working against instinct. That's why he makes all of this ridiculously elaborate art!
 
  

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