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Skeleton Camera
20:47 / 19.08.04
(Back from the Disinfo workshop and lots of packing...)

In my hypersigils - at least, the one intended to change my own life - I was aiming at more of the mundane details than the big plot points. ie - there are specific things I wanted to "iron out" in the long run, and this was a way of attacking those. Some of those were "major" plot points, such as a particular job, but the majority were minor points such as phobias, initiatives, etc - the undercurrents to life rather than the surface manifestations.

And that's part of the trick. Those undercurrents run deeper in your subconscious than their surface glimpses do.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:22 / 20.08.04
For me it was all about the big plot points. I was only concerned with big sweeping change and rarely (but occasionally) focused on details.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:25 / 20.08.04
As none of mine have really manifested yet, it is hard to see how effective mine might be but I can say that my own comic adaptation of how I would like things to transpire is more metaphorical and not really based in real life.

It is sort of like Promethea in the 'immateria'

I hope it doesn't come literally true or a huge spider will chew on my head (this was used as a metaphor/representation of a rebirthing experience or re-evaluation of the birth process)

Mine was dealing with repressions and character traits I would like to address and some pretty big issues came up.
Characters appear as different aspects of my personality to be overcome or bargained with ..................

General Zod from 'Superman 2 ' makes an appearance .....there is a leprechaun........Gek makes a little appearance (thanks ImpulsiveLad Adventures) as my guide takes me through various levels of Magick and existence

It is funny how well I have started to draw myself. My initial drafts were little more than basic representations but now the facial expressions are recognizable and I have speeded up my output considerably

I haven't fired off the HyperSigil in anyway but I keep thinking I should do some sort of ceremonial burning of the work to date or whatever to represent sending it off

This of course is linked with my impatience and 'lusting for results' and hoping to speed the whole manifestation
 
 
illmatic
12:38 / 20.08.04
Maybe I'm getting something wrong here, but if you're basig your ideas on Morrison's experiences with writing The Invisibles then surely the whole point is that he was unconscious of the links between his life and what he was writing? As I understand it stuff filtered from his unconscious, and expressed itself in his writing before he was consciously aware of it. Yes, his creativity and his life got mixed up, but in a surprising, unconscious and uncontrolled manner. Going after life changes in a deliberate, results orientated manner has a kind of heavy handed quality about it which doesn't resonate with me...I don't do this kind of magick but if I were to, I'd just write and see what happened, what washed up once I'd devoted myself to the creative process. I would guess that some kind of commitment to creativity is what's important here, more important than a desperation ofr results. I've always understood creativity as a process of uncovering, surprising oneself. Otherwise, you might just be writing some mediocre fiction with a bit of hopeful wish fulfillment chucked in....

Go on, convince me I'm wrong....
 
 
Joetheneophyte
13:28 / 20.08.04
I can't

I wish I could but your points are very valid


My only argument (and that is too strong a word for it) is that Morrison and Alan Moore, allegedly even when aware of the fact that they were impacting on their reality, continued to affect it and write accordingly

If memory (and I am probably VERy wrong here) serves me......Morrsion, once he noticed the link, wrote things so that he would meet a girl who matched all his favourite attributes

Can't remember if it was Kirsten (?) or not but he still seemed to equate some level off effectiveness, even when he was aware of the Magickal impact
 
 
adamswish
13:42 / 20.08.04
Maybe I miss-worded the question. Instead of those areas you WANT to change through the hyper-sigil I should of asked about the effects and whether they mirrored the major plot points or the minor, mundane, detail of the story.

But then all sigils, whether hyper or not, start with a want don't they. I guess for many it's easier to forget the little stuff and therefore it's those areas that manisfest themselves into your own reality. I know in my own experience (and queworld was never created in order to change my life) that after writing one chapter where Swish holds a conversation in an online chatroom I meet and began chatting to someone with a very similar name to the one I created for the novel.

Now whether it's blind luck, "mysterious ways", syncronicity or my words affecting the reality around me I can't say. I think the trick is to continue with the novel and keep half an eye peeled for any connections.
 
 
nidu713
14:14 / 20.08.04
I have to agree with Joe...

For Morrison, this could have been something that started out unconsciously, but when he noticed the connection and began to experiment with it, he was then consciously testing his theory.

Now, maybe I am misinterpreting what Illmatic means by conscious/unconscious links between Morrison's life and writing(Invisibles), because Morrison's intention for creating the Invisibles was probably not to create a hypersigil that affected his life. In that light, it was unconscious (as I understand it). But once a cause-and-effect connection is noticed and one begins to experiment with it, it then becomes conscious.

And just another thought...

I've always thought that with a hypersigil experiment like this, one would have to essentially work up to the point to where what they were writing in the storyline was actually happening in their life. In essence, that you'd have to sneak up on it in a way. What I mean by this is that you would slowly have to work elements into the story line that you'd want to happen in your real life and then actually make them happen in your life. The more that you enforced the connection that whatever was written into the hypersigil would happen in real life, the more outlandish you could make the storyline in hopes of maintaining the cause/effect relationship between the story and reality.
 
 
rising and revolving
16:54 / 20.08.04
"Going after life changes in a deliberate, results orientated manner has a kind of heavy handed quality about it which doesn't resonate with me..."

Fair enough. But it's exactly what Ceremonial Magic does, and it seems more than reasonable to steal Chaos stylin' and apply it in a CM manner.

Especially given how much Chaos has stolen from Ceremonial.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:59 / 20.08.04
I think you can do a hypersigil with deliberate intent and agenda and they work just fine. I've done several like that.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
19:12 / 20.08.04
Thanks, gale, but I don't want to use more of my left brain. I want to further develop my right brain.

A fact which may or may not be applicable: Apparently, where you process various types of information can depend on how experienced you are.

For example, novices at math and chess process these activities mostly in the left hemisphere, because they are thinking sequentially and logically about what they need to do next. But trained mathematicians and grandmasters start processing more in the right hemisphere: the rules are now second nature, and so they are able to look holistically, allowing their right brain to come up with unusual strategies and solutions—a grandmaster doesn't look 30 moves ahead; instead, bad moves become invisible, and he sees the board strategically ("my opponent's center is weak, but I have to watch the left flank") more than tactically ("if I move here his knight takes my bishop in two moves").

On the other side, novices experience music mostly in the right hemisphere—it's a holistic experience, and the emotional content of any note makes sense only in context. But as musicians train, they start processing more in the left hemisphere, since they need to figure out what sequential actions they must take to create that holistic effect.

Basically, "I'm a left-brained person" is no longer a statement which makes sense.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
22:47 / 20.08.04
Christ… I’ve been deliberately avoiding this thread as it’s a subject quite close to my heart and I didn’t want to get involved. I’m supposed to be taking a break from magic, which includes writing about it and thinking about it. But I’m having a fairly rough night, for various reasons, and need something to distract me.

Thinking about creativity and magic in terms of “hypersigils” misses the point to some degree. It encourages us to think in terms of a specific finite working geared towards a pre-determined result or series of results, as opposed to an ongoing organic magical process that you engage with. I dunno, maybe people just aren’t describing their experiences very personally in this thread, but there seems to be a distinct lack of passion and creativity in the way that “hypersigils” are approached. All this talk of “launching” your hypersigil, forgetting about it, banishing afterwards, getting people to “charge” it with “energy” by reading it… it makes me feels physically sick… it’s as if all the fire and sexiness of the creative process has been boiled away and replaced with the arbitrary formulaic patterns of ceremonial magic.

Why are people looking for rules and regulations on how long it should be, for fucks sake? How long is a piece of string? How big is a painting? How many pages should a great novel have?

I think the point that’s being overlooked is the constant interplay between the creative process and the process of magic. To my mind, there isn’t much of a difference. All creativity is a magical act. Creativity is magic. There is little distinction. This thing about being really involved in the creative process to the extent that you feel you need to “banish” to return to normal reality. That experience is exactly what magic is, and exactly what creativity is. Navigating the weird corridors of Ideaspace and bringing stuff back. Walking between worlds. As I define it, being a good magician is about being really adept at moving seamlessly from fictional world to fictional world. Ideaspace is an integral part of our day-to-day existence. It’s as ever present as the ground we walk on and the brick wall we bang our head against in threads like this.

In Quabalistic terms, Ideaspace is YESOD, but YESOD cuts across our entire experience of reality in the same way as MALKUTH does. You can’t get away from the hard dense physicality of MALKUTH. It’s the punch in the face and the kick in the teeth, the bottle of champagne and making love till the sun rises. Similarly, you can’t get away from ideaspace. We live and breath it. Everything is stories. For instance, a friend of mine had her bank account cleaned out last week because of a twatish story that some - soon to be dealt with - thief told himself. We constantly create fictional worlds and inhabit them. I’m in one now. It’s not a nice place.

The “hypersigil” is not a shiny new technology. It’s just stories, paintings, songs and theatre. All of that is sorcery by any other name. Something like the magical journal is a hypersigil in effect. It’s your story. It is open ended. It contains all of your hopes and aspirations. It helps you to keep track of where you’ve been, where you’re at and where you’re going. It provides you with a device for slowly sharpening your life along certain lines in accordance with your will. The magic happens, as ever, when you’re not looking. The more you can get that deftness of touch in place, the more feedback you’re likely to get between fiction and reality. It’s exactly like dancing to northern soul. You need to know what you’re doing, but you come off like a twat if you’re too self-conscious.

I think “The Invisibles” may have started functioning as a hypersigil for Georgio Morricone because he had the balance spot on. On the one hand it was his living magical journal, but it was also the day job. He was paying the bills with it. It was this living, mad, ever present thing that he could feed stuff into and it would respond. Like a dialogue. If you get it to the point where you feel like a dialogue is taking place, then chances are the magic will start kicking in as well. It’s the same phenomenon where writers report characters in their books suddenly writing themselves and taking the narrative off down previously unanticipated roads, so you end up writing a different story to the one you thought you were writing.

I think magicians in general should just let the fuck go a bit more, y’know. Give the sorcery space to do what it wants, have a bit of faith in it, pay attention to what’s going on, make it more of a dialogue or living process that you engage with, and less of a big rush to make shit that you want happen.

The more heavy handed you are in your approach to moving between fictional worlds, the more rubbish your magic will be. Being a good magician is all about getting the right blend of practiced skill and instinctive rhythm. Same as being a good artist, writer or musician. It’s a mercurial deftness of touch. Expertly skipping between worlds and keeping a million possible fictional balls in the air at the same time. The magician is always a juggler.


Stupidly, I guess, I wrote something about a boy and girl and the girl admitting to the boy that their love was a lie….. A couple of weeks later she told me that she never loved me and it was a mistake…. It wasn't until I was going through some writing notes that this all hit me and after speaking to a couple of fellow magicians I really think that the hypersigil worked and little better than I thought and that I should really start paying more attention to what I'm doing.

So are you suggesting that this person acted in the way she did because you wrote it into your “hypersigil”, as opposed to your story just reflecting something that you were subconsciously very aware of but were unable to consciously admit to yourself. I think you’re overlooking one of the most magical aspects of the creative process by shoehorning it into some mechanical results magic framework. Look at the interplay going on there between your fiction and what’s actually happening to you. I think that the key to working sorcery through fiction is about being aware of these ongoing narratives that we tell ourselves, and spotting the right moment to make a selective edit. Timing is important. No time for big rewrites on press day. Writing a novel, or keeping a journal, or painting every day, or writing songs, or whatever - are all technologies for getting to grips with this sort of thing. It doesn’t matter how closely the fiction relates to your life, if it’s coming from you, then it’s already an extraordinarily intimate expression of your mind, heart and soul. Even if it’s a novel about lyricist monkeys that shag sluttish tortoises, you’d be hard pushed to write it without putting any of yourself into it. In this sense, the act of writing stories allows us to make selective edits and subtle rewrites on the stories that we tell ourselves - the internal narratives that we live by. Although it’s possible that I’ve just done too much sub-editing this week.

free writing with my left hand (I’m a righty normally) to access whatever properties it is my right brain harbors

Years ago when I used to work for the post office, processing cheques on the Bukowski shift, I taught myself how to do the entire job with my left hand out of boredom and desperation. Not sure if it was a waste of time or not in terms of unlocking areas of consciousness, but I’m partially ambidextrous now and can even draw quite well with my left hand. Go figure.

Anyway, rant over. Going to try and resume my magical abstinence again. Shouldn’t even be thinking about this stuff.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
13:30 / 25.08.04
The problem, Gypsy, is that you're always RIGHT.

Magic seems to culminate in realizing how plastic - that is, mutable - reality can be. You may need all the guidebooks and stepping stones to get there - or simply the right dosage of drugs - but once you realize that it can all bend LIKE THAT, the guidebooks are gone and you're on your own. In the best place possible.

And then ANYTHING and EVERYTHING becomes a magical tool and the work is refining your skills. My uber-weird comic story had nothing to do with magic at first and yet the results were magical all along. Even the last issue, intentionally magical, involved nothing more than a set of correspondences.

It's worth pointing out how many writers, particularly writers of imaginative fiction (whether it be fantasy, horror, historical fiction, etc) have had some hypersigil effects. And as Gypsy pointed out, ultimately ALL ART is meant to make such a thing happen. It's part of the POINT, dating all the way back to cave paintings. Modern art, in which work is isolated to an art-specific context, is a bit removed from that tradition but still contains magical potential. It should also be noted that "post-modern" art is reconnecting to the magical tradition of art (if it ever really left).

What all this stuff is about is realizing how flexible everything is. Do what it takes to realize that but don't get bogged down in meticulous mapping of how you got there.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
21:58 / 25.08.04
The problem, Gypsy, is that you're always RIGHT.

Am I fuck
 
 
Skeleton Camera
01:26 / 26.08.04
Am I fuck

Yes, sorry to inform you on such short notice, but it's time we revealed the truth. At least, "right" as defined by "gets that all reality is magic and that books etc are props, not the performance itself"

Whether you're RIGHT in that larger sense, or even in the political sense, I've no idea.
 
 
vargr
04:19 / 26.08.04
I too have been practicing writing with my left hand each day. Until I was 12 years old, I was fairly ambidextrous, but the public school system steered me into right-handedness. I've been resentful of this for many years, until I chose to do something about it. In addition to the possibility of stimulating right brain usage, the increased coordination has made me a better juggler, and able to shave left-handed as well.

I've also noticed that my minor b/d dyslexia does not manifest when writing left handed.
 
 
LykeX
18:35 / 26.08.04
Interesting. In one of the videos on the site found in this thread, dyslexia is described as a problem in the left temporal lobe. Thus, if you write with your left hand, you bypass the problem area.

The video was in relation to dyslexia being non-existant with regards to e.g. Japanese, since it uses pictograms, which are interpreted in the right hemisphere, rather than letters, which are interpreted in the left.

anyway...
 
 
FinderWolf
18:43 / 26.08.04
>> It's worth pointing out how many writers, particularly writers of imaginative fiction (whether it be fantasy, horror, historical fiction, etc) have had some hypersigil effects.

I have heard SO many stories of writers who didn't believe in magick or the supernatural telling tales of how weird shit they wrote in their stories came true. Always very interesting to read...
 
 
FinderWolf
18:58 / 26.08.04
>> It’s exactly like dancing to northern soul.

Is that a band?
 
 
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01:42 / 27.08.04
I have some ambliviance regarding this area of occult thought. On one hand, I do belive that hypersigils can be extremely powerful. I also belive that they work, something I have trouble doing regarding other areas of magic.

On the other hand it could be seen as a form of controlling the uncontrollable, and it seems much of magic is chaotic and unpredictable, and this may be where the potency lies. Perhaps such a technique as writing magic could be seen as a system adopted by rigid magicians who are afraid of losing self-control... But on the other hand, you should exert some control over both yourself and your magic, otherwise you run the risk of totally losing control and becoming a sociopath. At the moment I'm undecided about just how much "letting go" should be tolerated when one walks the path but that's neither here nor there, so back on topic... I think William S. Burroughs captured the chaotic nature of writing magick, particularily in his cut-up books, which were unpredictably arranged. I think the surrealist writers (and those who came before them, the Symbolists such as Jarry) also caught on to this notion.

I think being too specific dillutes it to some xtent. For example, my own hypersigil project just began as a silly little story for college. Later on friends wanted to read it so I kept adding stuff to it. After a few months I began to notice that things occuring in the text were manifesting in my life to some extent, and I began to make it more specific. This seemed to make it less effective, I found.

I really don't think structure or page lenght has anything to do with it, though this is coming from a guy who modeled each chapter after a Sephira from the Qabalah. Who cares? At least, in my own weird way, I taught myself all the attributes and correspondances. Most of it is worthless knowledge, of course, unless some qabalistic nutball comes up to me, points a gun at my head, and demands to know all the correspondances and attributes of Yesod. Also it made me go out and research a lot of things I hadn't been exposed to before, such as the writings of Reich, which made me look at my life in a different manner.

I think what it boils down to is that it can be used as a tool of sorts. I think magicians should try to incorporate things they're good at into their magikal system. While some might argue that a magician should strive to be as proficient in as many areas as possible, I agree with such a sentiment to SOME extent, yet at the same time realize it's a fairly niave viewpoint and I think it results in being a jack-of-all-trades and a master of none, to use a well-worn cliche. Using Grant Morrison as an example, he eventually realized that his most effective magic came from writing comics so he channeled most of his creative energy into that (whereas a magician like P-Orridge uses both writing and music, not to mention collage-sigils. P-Orridge I think could be one of the most important magicians of this aeon. While a chameleon to some extents he prophicised the future of occultism to some degree when, in RE/SEARCH, he argued that today's magical tools were things like tape recorders, camcorders and whatnot). I do agree with Morrison's statement that perhaps the so-called fictional characters are actually tulpas and the writer is just a transmitter (Kenneth Grant argued pretty much the same point somewhere else, but it was about artists in general). And WSB said he was never lonely because he always had his characters in his head. As a writer I can relate to such a statement.

Speaking on a personal level (roll eyes) writing is perhaps one of the few things I feel confident doing. When I get in the zone, when the words and images and metaphors flow, when the creative juice spurts, I feel like an athlete at the top of his/her game. I love words, especially pseudo-occult science-fiction bizarro words, and I like to arrange words in ways that create a certain atmosphere. I belive writing is magic (and, to quote P-Orridge, "Creativity is the most religious thing you can do", but enough shameless fanboy name dropping for now) but I think it shouldn't be forced, which is why the book I'm doing now is less a hypersigil and more an ode to the joy of creation... Plus i actually want to write something that will make me money and help me support myself.

If ritual is a way to temporarily place the magician into a weird headspace where anything can happen, then perhaps writing is a purified form of such a notion, as anything truly can happen. Often times the individual feels burdened by the daily banalities and the pressure to conform to societal norms, be it at home, work, amonce friends, etcetera errata. If so then writing is a TAZ where I can really let my natural-born craving to go Dada be unbound... which may explain why my livejournal is rather odd. Either that or I'm just a pretentious twat who'd rather puff a pipe and theorize rather then roll around in the slime.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:15 / 27.08.04

modeled each chapter after a Sephira from the Qabalah... I taught myself all the attributes and correspondances. Most of it is worthless knowledge, of course, unless some qabalistic nutball comes up to me, points a gun at my head, and demands to know all the correspondances and attributes of Yesod.

No it fucking isn't.

Is that a band?

No it fucking isn't.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
12:37 / 27.08.04
northern Soul?

that is a TYPE of music isn't it?

don't know much about it but I believe (and I might be very wrong here) that it was a type of music preferred by MODS in the UK in the sixties and somewhat a bit of a revival in the late seventies early eighties

Gypsey....am I right?

or Fucking wrong
 
 
Joetheneophyte
12:44 / 27.08.04
I'm sure I am right


Lenny Pierce told me
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:50 / 27.08.04
You are right.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
13:43 / 27.08.04
CHEERS MAKES A CHANGE!

Anyway, did you get the Lanny Pierce line?

loved that character.......he was so funny
 
 
Skeleton Camera
13:38 / 29.08.04
Sypha, inre: worthless knowledge. No, it's not worthless. NOTHING is worthless if you can interpret it correctly. Particularly not something like that. You may feel that it's "padding" for the story or facts cluttering up your head, but it's also teaching yourself to associate things in a particular way. Knowledge can create experience. By learning intense Kabbalistic data you are, in essence, prepping yourself for encounters with that data - whether it be in some mind-bubbling freakout or simply "clicking" one moment over coffee.
 
 
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00:54 / 30.08.04
Seamus, when I typed what it was I typed I may of had my foot in the vincinity of my mouth at various points. What i SHOULD have said was that it's not worthless knowledge, I just fail to see how knowing that (just to use a minor example) y'know, the moon is associated with Yesod, it is the Foundation, Atlas, secret tunnels, Malkuth is the Gateway of Tears, it's color is brown, it's number is 10, Lilith is the qliphoth attached to it, and on and on, I fail to perceive how that is revelant to my life at this exact moment in space-time. Perhaps it will be valuable information to know one day, but at the moment I can't see myself getting any practical use out of it in my day-to-day life. This is most probably nothing more then a misunderstanding on my part, as I'm still not exactly sure what practical use the qabalah has besides it's use as a model for psychology, art or symbolism (for example, I'm well-aware that supposedly it's of value when one encounters denizens of the astral plane, but having never visited the astral plane myself I can't comment on this). Perhaps the key is figuring how it applies to the day-to-day concerns. I recall reading something Crowley wrote in "Magick Without Tears" to his correspondant about how to memorize and put the qabalah to use by applying it to everyday matters... Going for a daily walk, picking up the mail, and so on. But this is getting off subject here.
 
 
rising and revolving
14:20 / 30.08.04
Well, you're on the right track with the Crowley quote, basically.

The endless table of correspondences is useless, except as a guideline. Basically, learning that the Moon, the Astral Plane, etc etc correspond to Yesod is only useful when you can use that rote-memorised knowledge to make the logical jump to something new. For example, that onions also belong there. Or cheese. Or whatever.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that a Sephira is a primal concept, which cannot be easily directly named and detailed. So instead, via correspondences, people tell you other things that share in that nature, that in some way express the primal concept.

Correspondences point a finger at the moon.
 
  

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