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Lord Morgue
11:18 / 05.08.04
Ha, Benny's idea sounds like the Peter Sellers/David Niven/Woody Allen/Orsen Welles disaster Casino Royale.
I kind of liked the first Bond, Barry Nelson, with Peter Lorré as the bad guy. "Otis, I asked you not to hurt him, and now look at him. Oh. Otis, you're so clumsy."
Tarantino wanted to remake Casino Royale with Brosnan and Uma Thurman. Ooh, Brosnan having his toenails peeled off with pliers in a hotel bathtub. Is it wrong to be sexually aroused by this concept?
Oh, I've also heard Heath Ledger's name bandied about.
Mmm. Bandied.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
20:55 / 05.08.04
I think Julian McMahon looks more the part myself.

Any relation to Vince McMahon?
 
 
Shrug
21:16 / 05.08.04
Jack Davenport would make a good bond... possibly. Pierce/Bond didn't move with the times he was left with his charm offensive and one liners without the arrogant chauvinism, he was a bit of a castrated relic. Complete overhaul is needed. No more smarm.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:16 / 06.08.04
I think the movies were just a little below average, to be honest. Well, not all of them - Goldeneye was fantastic, in my opinion. But Tomorrow Never Dies was a generic action movie (could have been another Die Hard for all the pizazz it had), and after watching Die Another Day again recently, I have to admit that it was really, really ropey (suspended all critical faculties when I saw it in the cinema, I think). The World Is Not Enough worked pretty well most of the time, but suffered from Denise Richards.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:35 / 06.08.04
Goldeneye was fantastic, in my opinion.

Agreed. It's still my favourite Bond film. I'm not sure the trick can be repeated, though - think of all those comics where a good writer/artist team came up with a great revamp of a team or character that you once loved but had got a little ropey. Then think about what it was like the next time the company tried to revamp the same title.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
17:19 / 07.08.04
Justin Theroux. He's dashing, sexy and elegant in a suit.

See?
 
 
at the scarwash
19:34 / 07.08.04
I know he's been a Bond villain, which probably disqualifies him him, but I would really like to see Robert Carlyle in the role. I think that he could give the part a lot of intensity, maybe tone down the cartoonishness just a bit.
 
 
Jub
22:50 / 07.08.04
Any relation to Vince McMahon?

No, I don't think so, but I read he is the son of the former PM of Australia.
 
 
■
00:41 / 08.08.04
Oooooh, The Davenport as Bond?

"You know Bond, for a stuffed moose, you're really sorted!"

(With apologies to Adam and Joe... where are they now?)
 
 
luke hugh
18:27 / 08.08.04
I think as a group we should admit a few things:

#1 Golden eye was awsome but today bond movies are strictly for making money now.

#2 bond is dead

#3nothing lasts forever and it should end Bond is an old man now
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:39 / 08.08.04
I think they should just go all the way and rip-off The Filth, James Bond as a parapersonality that gets injected into agents, bring back Tim Dalton as a Bond personality that goes rogue... "Anyone can be double-oh seven!"

I always kind of took that as read... not the parapersonality bit, just that "007" and "James Bond" were names that went with a particular position; that Connery and Moore, for example, were NOT supposed to be the same man... I dunno, maybe that was just me.
 
 
Triplets
23:40 / 08.08.04
Negotiate with me, James!

Bond fighting a swarm of phallic impregno-missiles with nothing but a Walther PPK and a smile.

However, I always thought that, yes, when you became 007 'James Bond' was just the codename that went with the code number.
 
 
Lord Morgue
06:22 / 09.08.04
In the 2nd version of Casino Royale, all British agents were called James Bond.
 
 
Lord Morgue
06:26 / 09.08.04
Actually, Stoatie's idea would go some way to explain George Lazenby's line "This never happened to the other fella!"...
 
 
sleazenation
10:26 / 09.08.04
#1 Golden eye was awsome but today bond movies are strictly for making money now.
'Cos before they were strictly a cvharity affair...


#2 bond is dead
Bond can never die - kill one Bond and another will take his place.

#3nothing lasts forever and it should end Bond is an old man now .
Bond is more than just a man - he is a role, an idea and you can't kill an idea in any meaningful way...
 
 
_Boboss
10:39 / 09.08.04
it would also explain why lazenby was never around for a second shot - the death of the lovely mrs rigg-bond just shook him up too much so he quit. luckily the saint was available.

lucky. could have been napoleon solo.
 
 
sleazenation
10:44 / 09.08.04
I've always thought that Diana Rigg made a better Bond than Lazenby anyway...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:04 / 09.08.04
I always kind of took that as read... not the parapersonality bit, just that "007" and "James Bond" were names that went with a particular position; that Connery and Moore, for example, were NOT supposed to be the same man... I dunno, maybe that was just me.

I've had this conversation here before, I think, but for years I presumed that Connery's Bond wasn't the same person as Lazenby's Bond wasn't the same person as Moore's Bond. That probably came from OHMSS being one of the first - but, crucially, not *the* first - Bond movies I saw as a kid, and is all about the line that Morgue quotes. It's just a joke, the same kind of to-camera joke that the series always has (Benny, Bond's always been a parody), but it's still offered up to the audience as a semi-serious suggestion. This isn't the Bond you're looking for.

That gets thrown away when the producers decide to keep referencing Rigg's death in the subsequent films. Connery gets it, Moore gets it and, iirc, Dalton gets it.

I wish they'd go for the multiple Bonds angle. Start a new continuity in the series. Maybe have one of the older Bonds (Dalton seems a good bet) go rogue and have to be taken down by New Bond. Dalton tries to persuade New Bond to come over to his side - they're fucking you about, man, they're sending you out on these half-arsed missions to silence media barons and shit, when you should be stabbing communists in the eye with poison-tipped umbrellas and having fights with Russian lesbians with daggers hidden in their shoes. You're a spy, for fuck's sake - you should be sneaking about, using disguises, but they're sticking you in speedboat chases. What the fuck's that all about? Is that what you signed on for? It's not the job I wanted. Hell, my best friend got mauled by a shark! A fucking shark! Haven't they got sick of doing sharks by now?

And New Bond's tempted. He wants a briefcase with a zillion hidden compartments, Parker pens which fire darts. But Dalton's talking loopy stuff along with the sense - he's started on about how he wants to go into space, have a fight with a man with a mouth made entirely of metal, kill his enemies by blowing them up like giant helium balloons and popping them - and his orders *are* to take him down. So he does. But on return to London, he gives M the lowdown - this is how it's been for too long now, and things are going to change around here. You need me - I'm the best there is at what I do - and you don't want to make an enemy out of me. Dalton we could handle. You've never fought anything like me before. And M says yeah, New Bond, to be honest I've been thinking the same thing.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:19 / 09.08.04
And then she takes a small revolver out of the top drawer of her desk and shoots him in the head.

It'd make a great comic. Serously, get writing, Randy.
 
 
fluid_state
13:12 / 09.08.04
There was a net rumour, right after GoldenEye (IIRC), that the next Bond film would feature the parapersonality aspect(This in addition to it being the mythical salvation of the franchise)... with Brosnan squaring off against that old rotten chestnut, SPECTRE, helmed by none other than Sean Connery (as "the original Bond", gone bad, of course).

Glad to see Dalton's name mentioned frequently here... I was under the impression no-one liked his Bond movies but me. If you had to pick an evil 007, he'd be the one.
 
 
_Boboss
13:36 / 09.08.04
dalton seemed the only one willing to entertain the notion that jim might be a bit evil anyway
 
 
sleazenation
13:42 / 09.08.04
Dalton's Bond drank Bud. proof positive that he was evil...
 
 
■
08:46 / 10.08.04
Then, of course, there's the Seaguy angle where the Connery Bond suddenly realises Thunderball and Never Say Never Again were essentially the same story he was forced to go through twice.... Is M really Mickey Eye?
 
 
Cat Chant
10:35 / 10.08.04
Totally Roger Barton Smith for Bond!

He's amazing. He's an ex-locksmith from Sligo whose whole life has been about trying to get to play James Bond. He's spent over #200,000 on it (for example, he sold his car to pay for a trip to Austria for a photo shoot of him skiing, and spent #100,000 on a short action film starring himself), he's currently doing six different part-time jobs trying to fund himself, he lost a girlfriend over it... dude! Roger Barton Smith for Bond!

The Sligo Weekender thinks he's in with a pretty good shot, too...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:04 / 10.08.04
Actually, Randy, having seen The Bourne Identity for the first time last night, I have to say... Without giving away too many spoilers... It's very nearly been done. They even had Clive Owen in there. Jason Bourne = James Bond, do you see?
 
 
Jub
12:20 / 07.04.05
Apparently it's Daniel Craig - that guy off Layer Cake. Looks more like a disgruntled Nazi type to me. Will this be a dark Bond?
 
 
sleazenation
13:17 / 07.04.05
For a better view of Craig's ability as an actor, check out Our Friends in the North - but the reason Craig got this role is probably for his performance in a TV adaptation of Archangel, one of those Airport fiction books that Tom Clancy writes...
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
08:07 / 08.04.05
Yes, it's definitely Daniel Craig. Just like it was definitely Clive Owen, Colin Farrell, Hugh Jackman, Ewan McGregor, Jude Law, Gerard Butler...
Tabloids. Just say no.
 
 
sleazenation
09:05 / 08.04.05
Don't read the taboids... but am unfortunately I hear rumours from people who do...
 
 
adamswish
09:06 / 08.04.05
the multiple bond theories that both benny and fluid mention has always been a favourite of mine too (and Fluid I swear I heard the story in the gap before Goldeneye, but I could be mistaken).

And not only is it "definitely" Daniel Craig, but it's "definitely" a more serious version of Casino Royale and it's to be a younger, rawer (as in first mission, think Bond: Year One) version of the martini swigging, murdeous, adulterous spy.
 
 
sleazenation
09:07 / 08.04.05
Maybe former BBC royal correspondent Jenny Bond would be right for the role - she's already got the name...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:10 / 08.04.05
Have you been at the vodka again, Agent Sleaze?
 
 
Brigade du jour
22:08 / 09.04.05
Nah dude - she's Moneypenny. With Fiona Bruce as M.
 
 
haus of fraser
08:53 / 14.10.05
So Adamswish,

And not only is it "definitely" Daniel Craig, but it's "definitely" a more serious version of Casino Royale and it's to be a younger, rawer (as in first mission, think Bond: Year One) version of the martini swigging, murdeous, adulterous spy.

it looks like you were spot on.

Apparently the big problem hasn't been choosing the actor- but getting an actor to commit to the movies - given that bond films can shoot for the best part of a year and require a minimum 3 movie contract its proved very difficult to get someone to commit that much time/ effort for this reason Clive Owen, Ewan McGregor and Colin Farrell apparently all turned it down.

What are peoples thoughts on Daniel 'Primrose Hill Shagger' Craig- He's always seemed to play unbalanced or intense psycho's- so could the new Bond be a much darker version? It would certainly make things a bit more contemporary- although if the formulas not broken...

Do we like the idea of a blonde bond? Should he dye his hair?

Is this thread now sounding like heat magazine?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
09:05 / 14.10.05
it looks like you were spot on.

Once again, only according to the 'bloids. The official announcement is later today.
It probably will be Mr. Craig, though.
 
  

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