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In Praise of the Golden Dawn

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Unconditional Love

15:08 / 04.08.04

has anybody investigated the sabian influence within kabbalah?

Boy in a Suitcase

15:22 / 04.08.04

Enochian and Golden Dawn -- Enochian was the last thing taught in the G.'.D.'., and is indeed in the Regardie book, but Donald Tyson among others have criticized this as a very flawed interpretation of the Dee manuscripts.

Angels and the Tree of Life -- There are four (possibly five) Trees; those in Assiah (manifestation), Yetzirah (formation), Briah (creation), Atziluth (emanation). There are "angelic forces" associated with each sephiroth in each world--in Assiah, planetary intelligences, in Yetzirah, angelic choirs, in Briah, archangels, in Atziluth, the names of God. These are given in various places not least of which is the Regardie book, and can be used to construct "wicked spellz" among other stuff. In addition, there are 72 angels associated with the Shemhamphorash (sp?) whose names are formed by lining up three 72-letter passages out of Genesis (the book not the shemale) on top of eachother and then attaching one of two suffixes to them; the qlippothic reverses of these form the traditional 72 Goetic demons. This information is interpreted pretty clearly in Lon DuQuette's books if one is interested (Chicken Qabalah, Angels & Demons of the New Millenium, which includes a neato pull-out flowchart!). None of this relates to the Holy Guardian Angel which is something else entirely. Anyway all of these things tend to be interpreted as the underlying mechanisms of the universe and one has no doubt that wicked results can be obtained with "pure" Qabalah, only saying that traditionally occultists seem to have left it behind for Enochian or other results systems and then interpreted their results using the QBLH. Which is why I have been surreptitiously mailing copies of "The Enochian Apocalypse" by Donald Tyson to Guy Ritchie.

Boy in a Suitcase

15:28 / 04.08.04

But returning to reappraising the Golden Dawn--Florence Farr! What a HOTTIE! Discuss.

09:31 / 05.08.04

BIAS, I'm not sure I agree with you and LVX about Enochian being the principal component of the WET (I'd have thought one could distinguish between that and Pythagorean, "Hermetic", and other Graeco-Roman influences, though I could be wrong).

But more importantly, it seems to me that most of the practitioners in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries were perforce "mixing it up" rather than contributing to an integrated, well-delineated current of magic. After all, any time after the renaissance they were dealing with as many gaps in knowledge, sudden infusions of new data, and heterogeneous systems as we do today -- possibly more so.

10:56 / 05.08.04

Well, just to add a little point, I think that Pythagorean and Hermetic influence on WET is far more important than any other. It could be drawn from kabbalistic sources (I think it was Mathers who pointed this), but in any case, some of the basic intuitions behind it (names have power, maths and geometry have meanings of its own and are the basis of all that is) seem to me much more linked with hermetics and pythagoreans than with any other current.

Unconditional Love

15:19 / 05.08.04

i guess your all aware that golden dawn kabbalah and anything that stems from that source is seen as a perversion by traditional kabbalists, in fact alot of nonsense by many of them.

also the golden dawn interpretations of enochian, hasnt somebody recently identified that the translations are littered with mistakes.

do you not think that the colonial attitudes of the british empire were very prevalent in the golden dawn, that the way the golden dawn appropiates systems is an abstract example of british colonialism, a case could also be made for crowleys writings in this respect too.

perhaps even today a certain disrespect is shown for indigenous cultures which many of the systems mythologies are based upon.

Epop Bastart the Justified, I

06:33 / 06.08.04

On the topic of the GD, I've got a simple question: where did the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram come from?

How old is it? What's the first known use, or historical precedent?

Why, oh why, does it work so well relative to other rites based on it or with similar intentions but from other schools?

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