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Green Lantern. Say it isn't so.

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
18:27 / 18.07.04
And who here wouldn't buy the Green Lantern comic if Gaiman or Morrison wrote it?

Depends if it was any good. That's an option we have, wonderfully - not to buy things that aren't good. You see 1602? Case in point. As near as I can teel, Gaiman hasn't written a purchasable comic since...last millennium?

But anyway, that's a discussion for the Comics thread. In fact, most of this thread is talking about the comics.

What you guys are missing, btw, is that there has already *been* a Green Lantern in the movies. I give you Matthew Settle.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:42 / 18.07.04
Must agree with the above sentiments. FinderWolf's comment that "Hopefully they will come to their senses after the fan outcry" made me weep with laughter at the twinned propositions that (a) seeing the premise of a fearless hotshot in posession of a magic ring with which he creates bulldozers and giant boxing gloves of green energy as rife with comic potential is evidence of madness, and (b) that believing such a premise must ipso facto be treated respectifully, as a dignified, character-driven drama, is the very definition of sanity.

Two points:

(1) Jack Black as Hal Jordan is fucking genius casting. Think on it: the whole thing about Green Lantern is that he's fearless, and his power derives from his iron will. Jack Black's entire comic persona is based around his utter self-confidence, his absolute conviction and focus. The part might've been created with him in mind.

(2) The best superhero films, IMHO, are those which are not overly-reverent either to their particular source text or to the conventions of the genre as a whole--but which, in their very irreverence, have interesting things to say about the subject: the sadly-neglected MYSTERY MEN, for instance, pointed up the damaged personalities of those drawn to superheroics, lampooned the banality of the genre's pseudo-wisdom, and imparted some actual lessons in courage and self-belief--and yet managed to do so in a gentle and non-pompous way, because it was a "comedy."

A movie about superheroes, as opposed to a "superhero movie," a genre that's usually only really "about" special effects and explosions.

Scare quotes a' go-go.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:03 / 18.07.04
Jack Fear is absolutely correct about Jack Black's fearlessness - that does make a lot of sense for this project.

GL doesn't have the benefit of being an iconic character outside of the comic world.

See, that's the weird thing about Green Lantern - the name and the logo is way more famous than the character itself. There really aren't that many people who are very invested in the character itself, and who can blame them? The most famous Green Lantern is pretty bland, and there's dozens of other Green Lanterns. It's all about the ring - that's the central character, not Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner, etc. The trick of making a compelling GL film would be to make the human character interesting/funny/likeable.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:28 / 19.07.04
FinderWolf's comment that "Hopefully they will come to their senses after the fan outcry" made me weep with laughter at the twinned propositions that (a) seeing the premise of a fearless hotshot in posession of a magic ring with which he creates bulldozers and giant boxing gloves of green energy as rife with comic potential is evidence of madness, and (b) that believing such a premise must ipso facto be treated respectifully, as a dignified, character-driven drama, is the very definition of sanity.

Surely the funniest bit is the idea that such a "fan outcry" would result in anything at all, other than dismissal as the ravings of a tiny group of bearded man-mentals...
 
 
FinderWolf
20:37 / 19.07.04
hasn't 'fan outcry' resulted in some changes in past in films? Seriously...like maybe ditching J.J. Abrams' Superman script, ditching the whole Jon Peters/Guber/whoever "Superman might not even have to fly in our movie" thing...?

I'm not deluded enough to think that fan outcry really makes a big difference most of the time, but there must have been some times when it made a teeny tiny bit of difference.

And this movie might be good, I will certainly give it a chance, but I'm still sad that it will be a Mask-esque over the top comedy. Ah well. I won't be joining H.E.A.T. or anything over it, you can rest assured. I guess some people would have liked the original pre-Tim Burton Batman concept that Hollywood producers floated, with Eddie Murphy as Robin and some comedian as Batman. *snif*
 
 
FinderWolf
20:47 / 19.07.04
DC did apparently try to fight this getting made... (from Aint It Cool News)

>> As I understand it, DC Comics tried desperately to dodge this bullet, but ultimately, they don’t have the right to veto something if Warner Bros. really wants to make it happen.

And there was this very funny post on the AICN Talkbacks, which run the gamut from rabid crazy fans to intelligent, funny, witty posters...

>> The Mask = Green = Zany! therefore, Green Lantern = Green = Zany!

and someone else wrote "Shallow Hal Jordan", which made me chuckle.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
02:44 / 20.07.04
I see great comedic potential in a magic ring which can do anything its wielder wants, except for, say, LIFTING A BANANA. This could be great fun.
 
 
Lord Morgue
02:57 / 20.07.04
Arisia did most of the banana-lifting, as I recall. She sure knew how to patrol a space sector...
 
 
FinderWolf
15:23 / 20.07.04
This could be funny, who knows...and I understand the line of thinking that GL is sort of blank slate property/character and can be sort of bland.

Anyone think this might have been inspired by Paul Dini's recently-written episode of Duck Dodgers where Daffy Duck becomes a GL (and Kevin Smith provided the voice of Hal Jordan)? I didn't see it but heard it was fun.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:50 / 20.07.04
Thinking in terms of how movies work, I can see how Green Lantern could be a successful and commerciaily viable film if made as a comedy, particularly with a popular comedian like Jack Black, who is big with very attractive demographics. The whole thing makes sense - it's a crazy premise which lends itself to humor rather well.

I'm rather unconvinced that a straight-faced sci-fi/superhero Green Lantern film could be very successful. I don't think that it's something that would translate into a film that would get mainstream audiences interested - I think most people would see it as a dry knock-off, total geek stuff. At best, it could do as well as a Star Trek sequel or a relative flop like The Chronicles Of Riddick (which is no great shakes, given the budget large enough to pull off extensive special effects.)

Green Lantern doesn't have the massive built-in audience of Spider-Man, Batman, and X-Men, so catering to a small cult audience isn't the best idea if the goal is to make a profitable film. Since GL comic sales have been steadily declining since the 60s, it seems reasonable to assume that the existing formula is simply not commercially viable. A H.E.A.T. member's ideal GL movie would be a monumental bomb at the box office, and be an expensive failure.
 
 
Lord Morgue
01:05 / 21.07.04
Eh, the whole 60's GL corps idea was openly ripped off the Lensmen anyway. Even names like Eddor of Tront (the Tronts of Eddor) and Arisia were references to E.E. "Doc" Smith's series.
 
 
grant
03:24 / 22.07.04
1. Tannce deserves more attention for having pointed out a film that not only had Green Lantern in it, but also David Ogden Stiers as the Martian Manhunter.

2. I want Green Arrow in this movie. I don't care how they play him. I have a 10-year-old in me who's screaming for trick arrows. (Dear Hollywood Casting Directors: fanboys demand Owen Wilson.)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:37 / 22.07.04
Fuck Jack Black then, a Green Arrow/Lantern movie would be perfect for the heterosexual life-buddies partnership of Owen and Stiller, with Owen as the laid back left-wing anarchic Oliver Queen and Stiller as a neurotic Hal Jordan or equally neurotic Kyle Raynor... And they've laready worn tight-fighting clothes in Zoolander...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:48 / 22.07.04
I see great comedic potential in a magic ring which can do anything its wielder wants, except for, say, LIFTING A BANANA.

That comment right there is the perfect example of why GL should always be played as a comedy. Personally, I'd like to see the character act like a pompous arse, *then* get his banana/daffodil/custard/canary comeuppance, not realise the absurdity of his situation and carry on regardless.

Small children will laugh at him as he attempts to defeat an alien attack, only to be foiled by an enemy wearing a pair of Marigold washing-up gloves. Pelt him with egg yolks. Fool him into eating a hot dog WITH MUSTARD.
 
 
penitentvandal
13:20 / 22.07.04
A second vote for Wilson/Stiller here...particularly because I was reading the second Green Lantern/Green Arrow book and I was shocked at the degree to which it reminded me of Starsky and Hutch...
 
 
penitentvandal
13:20 / 22.07.04
A second vote for Wilson/Stiller here...particularly because I was reading the second Green Lantern/Green Arrow book and I was shocked at the degree to which it reminded me of Starsky and Hutch...
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:37 / 22.07.04
Oh my God, that's perfect.
And Courtney Love as Black Canary!
Aw, you'd have to throw in Hawkman, just to have an embarrassing punch-up with Ollie. You know, like when all the arrows fall out of his quiver and he falls down some stairs and Canary screams at everyone to shut the fuck up till their ears bleed. Who could play Carter Hall and Shayra?
 
 
Jack_Rackem
05:17 / 23.07.04
>> As I understand it, DC Comics tried desperately to dodge this bullet, but ultimately, they don’t have the right to veto something if Warner Bros. really wants to make it happen.

That would explain Catwoman. Anyways could someone please explain to me why Green Lantern is a mediocre character. I don't really know that much about it exept for that hilarious Onion Editorial.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:35 / 23.07.04
That's odd - I would swear that the Martian Manhunter (who, canon fans, was shown as unusually *resistant* to heat) was played by Andreas Katsulas...

Wilson and Stiller would be top, but I don't think the franchise actually has the pull for either of them to want to risk it...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:53 / 25.07.04
Flux is right... I don't think a serious GL WOULD work as a film. Unlike, say, Superman or the X-Men, Green Lantern is a concept that's pretty much only ever gonna work as a comic. If they didn't make the movie funny, it would just be stupid. That's the difference between this an Constantine- I could imagine a good, serious Hellblazer movie.

I'll go see it... I like Jack Black, have little emotional investment in the character as is, and I imagine there'll be some pretty impressive CGI effects.

And, you never know... it might have some decent jokes in it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:45 / 25.07.04
Green Arrow/Lantern movie would be perfect for the heterosexual life-buddies partnership of Owen and Stiller, with Owen as the laid back left-wing anarchic Oliver Queen and Stiller as a neurotic Hal Jordan or equally neurotic Kyle Raynor...

Having just seen Starsky & Hutch I have to say this is beyond perfect - especially if you have Stiller's GL struggling to generate enough 'willpower' to power the ring. Just imagine Stiller screwing his face up like Tobey Maguire on the front of that train... Yes, it's a joke he's done before (Mystery Men's Mr Furious), but I could stand to see it one more time.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:51 / 07.08.04
Figures if it comes from Aint-It-Cool-News it can't be legitimate.

According to this week's Entertainment Weekly, the rumors of actor Jack Black starring as Green Lantern, were just that – rumors.

"I took a meeting with someone who has the rights, but there's no [Green Lantern] script," Black told EW. "I'd be interested if there was a really good writer attached, but it's far from a [done deal]."


Masters of illusion, those boys in Texas are.
 
 
John Octave
16:17 / 07.08.04
Green Arrow/Lantern movie would be perfect for the heterosexual life-buddies partnership of Owen and Stiller, with Owen as the laid back left-wing anarchic Oliver Queen and Stiller as a neurotic Hal Jordan or equally neurotic Kyle Raynor...

What, no Vince Vaughn as Sinestro?

Count me out if Will Ferrell's playing Kilowog, though...
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:32 / 07.08.04
Noooo, Ferrell would make a great Kilowog!
 
 
Triplets
23:38 / 08.08.04
Have you seen the animated Kilowog? He's a lovable voracious goof who just happens to know advanced particle physics.

Just like Will Farrel.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:48 / 09.08.04
Jack Black is NOT doing Green Lantern. Not only that, but DC just may have their own Avi Arad these days...

from Entertainment Weekly this week (Also covered at Newsarama):

According to this week’s Entertainment Weekly, the rumors of actor Jack Black stepping in as an (admittedly paunchy) Green Lantern, were just that – rumors. “I took a meeting with someone who has the rights, but there’s no [Green Lantern] script,” Black told EW. “I’d be interested if there was a really good writer attached, but it’s far from a [done deal].”

Black’s comments seemingly justify DC Comics VP of Marketing and Sales Bob Wayne’s comments at San Diego when asked if the casting of Black was a reality: “I live in no fear of ever seeing that movie [referring to a Green Lantern film starring Black].” You see, he said he lived in no fear of it, because, as he saw it (apparently knowing that the Black casting was only a rumor) knew it wasn’t going to happen.

Wayne’s comments confused many (who thought that Wayne wanted to see the film with Black as Green Lantern, and wasn't afraid of his experience in the theater watching the hypothetical film), proving that sometimes marketing guys can be too clever for their own good.

The article in EW focuses mainly on DC adaptations headed toward the screen, and how comic fans seemingly have less and less to fear (Catwoman notwithstanding, apparently, though the article – in a magazine owned by DC parent company Time Warner suggests that the property was mishanded) thanks to DC film side of operations coming under control of Gregory Noveck, who was hired last December. Batman Begins screenwriter David S. Goyer is quoted as saying that Noveck “gets it” in regards to seeing DC properties as films.

Continuing, the article points out the challenge ahead for films based on DC properties, namely, bringing their heroes down to earth – something that’s needed despierately, thanks to the ability for Marvel’s blockbusters, Spider-Man and X-Men to resonate with their audiences on an emotional, human level. Not so easy to do when you’re talking about a goddess in Wonder Woman, or Superman. The article states that problems in adapting the heroes into accessible characters for films was partly responsible for the long delays in bringing them to screen.
 
 
Lord Morgue
02:58 / 10.08.04
Only if we could have Kyle Gass as Arisia.
 
  

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