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We3 #2

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
17:00 / 31.10.04
Oh you, you and your positive reviews from the Washington Post.
 
 
The Falcon
21:53 / 31.10.04
Not much more to add, really.

The 'vectors o' violence' spreads are sensational, really. The dog/cat attack is almost easily the best spread I ever did see in a comic book - and I include Silvestri's X-Men 2154 here. It makes me a little curious to see the VD boy do a War Story with Ennis, possibly.

And rabbit shite! Deadly.

Also, seagulls. Always eating some poor bastard's innards, eh? Cocks.
 
 
The Falcon
21:56 / 31.10.04
Forgot.

'HOME IS RUN NO MORE' was this ish's emotional fulcrum.

I am really all about 1/Bandit, but as mentioned last thread, I'm all about dogs. Owners of other pets, how's your gut level reaction?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
00:37 / 01.11.04
Top bit:

"Aim for the heads! Aim for the-"

(doggy bullet time death ensues)

There's a lucky rabbit's foot on a chain falling off in one of those micro panels. Good use of a Motif.
 
 
neuepunk
02:27 / 01.11.04
I would like to register how pleased I am that all three characters are barely vocal yet they have very distinct personalities and a group dynamic. Pirate's attempts to keep the group together, along with his dependence on others, had me all choked up.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:45 / 01.11.04
I read this issue a third time last night and, following the explanations of certain plot points on this board -- something I don't think should really be necessary, but never mind -- I enjoyed it more. Maybe it's true that you should only aim to engage with it on a robo-animal level, responding to simple pulses of emotion and going into a turbo bloodlust of vicarious violence on the slash splash pages.


It took a little more attention but I liked the detail in the way the animals respond to the first threat... Bandit plowing through the cockpit of the vehicle and Tinker, typical cat-coward, shooting up in to a tree to gleefully hail claws down from a safe vantage. Not sure where Pirate was in that fight.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
12:53 / 01.11.04
Oh yeah, and for what it's worth while we're all talking plot points - I think the rabbit drops the mines to stop the train from hitting We3, rather than to ice the rats.

I wonder what role the poor fucker is going to play in #3- he's just standing there going FFrrrrrRRRrrrrZZzzzzKKKkkk, easy bait for We4. Maybe someone could balance a pancake on his head or something.
 
 
The Falcon
13:47 / 01.11.04
The rabbit drops the mines because rabbits poop when they are scared, like every mammal.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:44 / 01.11.04
aye - n'ure speakin fae persinul experienss int ye, ya fuckin east coast fanny-slappin shite bag.

plop, plop, ya cunt.

(only jokin dude)

we3 - nice oddness. happy yawn.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:13 / 01.11.04
>> I figure Tinker ran out of blade and is just used to being reloaded by techs so has no real experience of ever running out of blades.

Yes. I second that emotion.
 
 
Professor Silly
19:35 / 03.11.04
("I am really all about 1/Bandit, but as mentioned last thread, I'm all about dogs. Owners of other pets, how's your gut level reaction?")

Absolutely! 2/Tinker is by far my favorite...and I've lived with cats most of my life. But only in the last couple years have I lived with a female cat--and she is by far more ruthless and a far more affective killer than any of the males I've had. At the same time the love I receive from her seems all the more precious, because I had to gain her trust along the way.
2/Tinker's right, you know: there is no "home" for them.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
20:57 / 04.11.04
you know,
death is run no more
 
 
wicker woman
08:35 / 05.11.04
Absolutely gorgeous. Just noticed on a read-through tonight the use of the bridge beams as panel seperators when Bandit/1 flying-tackles Tinker/2. Tha's just... wow.
 
 
Sekhmet
14:57 / 08.11.04
Damn damn damn, Bjork, I was just going to point that out. The whole thread I've been thinking, "Didn't anyone notice the beams? Someone should mention the beams..."

I'm terrified that this is actually the city the animals were originally taken from, and that in issue #3 they really will try to go back to their former families... can you imagine the horror? Your dog disappears, it's been over a year, you've given up finding him long ago, and then this horribly armored and beweaponed monstrosity shows up on your front porch saying "1 HOME. GUD DOG?"

Eep.

Honestly, I think the whole thing is brilliant. I had fewer comprehension problems with this one than with issue #1, and at this point I am officially taking back everything bad I've ever said about Quitely. As long as he draws nothing but armored animals from now on, at any rate.

I actually squealed "Nooo!" when Pirate got shot. It sure doesn't look good for the little guy.

Run rabbit run, indeed.


"My heart has joined the thousand,
For my friend stopped running today..."
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:40 / 09.11.04
Felt truely sad for that hunter's dog, who abviously didn't want to be there but had no choice; was protecting its own pack as was Bandit... what a quandry.

Yes. I hated that bit. Not in a "this is shit" kind of way- it was excellent, and necessary. Just in a "I wish that hadn't had to happen" kind of way. It hurt to read (well, look at, really).

HOME IS RUN NO MORE- beautiful. Bandit's whole "Bad dog. Bad dog" bit was also very moving.

I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to deal with the last issue- the way things are going at this point, it's gonna be heartbreaking, one way or the other.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:13 / 14.11.04
I picked up #2 after reading _Life of Pi_ for class, and the thing that keeps coming up in my head while I read it is the scene in _Pi_ where his father forces him to look at all the animals in the zoo that the family runs, while he tells Pi exactly how each one could kill him.
 
 
_Boboss
11:48 / 15.11.04
ah, well i'm only ever here for the violence really so this, finally fucking purchased on saturday, is one of the best comics of all time. i only wish i could have read it and jla classified on a run but never mind. so i was punching the air with joy at the 'those poor, poor soldiers....killemall!!' (love the sado techie guy) bits, but the pivotal moment came when the rats caught tinker and i actually heard her scream. went into the bedroom where my own personal version of tinker was lying, just to reassure myself she was okay. i stayed for a bit, stroked and patted, and got one of those completely disarming 'what are you doing prick? i'm not hungry y'know!' looks that she's so good at. i also choked at pirate's 'bad dog' bit (because bandit got shot? i doubt it, more likely guilt over the dead hume, but more on the lush ambiguity later) so, emotions good and bad fully stoked to 100% satisfaction.

other points:

fucking seagulls, duncan is correct. you learn to respect them where i live, but today they bhaved abominably - i was feeding the pigeons (a crowd of which is normally enough to deter even the meatiest bastard gulls) on the bit outside the flat, and as normal they gather round the edges looking for what they can. today though, not satisfied with eating the dead man's guts on saturday, started biting each other for the bits of stale baguette, even coming away with beakfuls of each others' feathers: the noise of seagulls fighting is very horrible. (there's a second breed been happening along lately. egrets maybe? more pretty and timid, but without the sheer love to hate balls of their cousins.)

earlier we3 was mentioned not having the linguistic or religiose underpinning of watership down. i'm not sure what the allegorical/other meaning of watership down might be, (it sticks in my mind as an animated 'the good life' with added swearing seagulls and plento ultraviolence), though i can imagine it correlates passably well with exodus -> noah. a link between bandit and puck from a midsummer nights' dream is hugely tempting and obvious to me, but it's not the kind of thing anyone else perhaps wants to make. the linguistic/religious bits here might be to do with lepufology in modern america and 5D squids from sirius, and we might not like that, but that's not to say they're not there.

ambiguity: i read this comic as fast as possible (not very fast given the density on display), and didn't notice any plot-holes. the cat ran out of ammo, the rabbit blew up the train. these may not be 'clear' or claremont-style explicit, but this is one of the reasons that i think this comic is so far ahead, not just of most comics, but books and mainstream movies too. things as they happen outside do so fast, chaotically, without the convenience of being able to see every bit of action at once. does the train blow because of a broken tail, or a poor attempt to stop the train, or the rats? not important, all or none. the bridge blew up, they fell in. the how is obvious, the why (never going to explained to us around the campfire, just as the motives of everyone i've spoken to today aren't) is an evanescent irrelevance to be left to the storytelling prowess inside everyone's individual head, and is not quitely or morrison's responsibility. they just have to present what happens as best they think they can. (that was explained rubbishly. sorry, maybe better later)

dialogue: love the point that BOSSST!NK could mean
'bosses are shit/you're shit, boss' but also 'i'm boss'. i can't be sure, but i reckon most cats think they're boss.

good dog/bad dog - there's no distance between pirate and his world: if the dog is happy and warm he *is* a good dog. if he's killed a man and failed to protect one of the pack he *is* a bad one.

but we're going to see the real bad dog (or anti-dog, the kenneth grant dog) next ish, to compare with the nice rawilson-dog i've come to feel so close to.

oh dear look at that. far overlong. sorry. sure i've missed stuff to. bad gambit
 
 
FinderWolf
14:13 / 15.11.04
Yeah, I re-read this and was wondering what levels there were to "bad dog." He killed a man, so he feels bad about that? He failed to save the man in the river under the bridge, AND he just failed to have his best rabbit friend? Watching the dog torture himself in a very human-esque neurotic way was very sad.

"The dog ALONE is equipped with ground-to-air missiles..." Great line.

Anyone else feeling that the animals' bodies must be stretched out or something to fit into the exoskeletons which seems much larger, proportionally speaking, than the animals' actual bodies? At first I thought the skeletons just were like armor around the animals' bodies, but now I'm looking at leg lengths and stuff like that and thinking the animals have been like grafted into the armor and their limbs surgically extended somehow, cause the front paws of most of the animals (esp. the mastiff at the end of #2) seem far too long for the animal's body.
 
 
_Boboss
14:23 / 15.11.04
i don't like to think too closely about how much is pure vivisection horror and how much fluffy nicey strokesy. best not to ask i reckon cos the answer is probably a somewhat grisly 'head and spinal column only'.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:46 / 15.11.04
Where do they keep their scooby snacks?

I thought the 'Bad dog' line was directed at himself as a bad leader in general. Dogs want owners primarily, and in his new role Bandit is, in his own eyes, floundering. I like the ambiguity created by the fact we don't really know what they are saying. They are, after all beasties, totally alien beings and just like with our own pets we tend to anthropomorphise them according to our own moodswings.
 
 
Billuccho!
21:46 / 23.11.04
Just bought it today! This was a pretty damn good issue, although it didn't grab me as much as the first one-- I think, perhaps, because I didn't give it as thorough of a read. But I expect to go back and study it, definitely. The art is absolutely bloody fantastic, and there's no way this book would be as good without it. Quitely's a master.

My favorite bit is on pages 6 and 7, which alll the tiny little panels of violent death and such... And yeah, that fingernail split *does* look much more painful than the eye stabbing. Maybe it's just me. The next best bit was when Bandit pulled half-a-man out of the river. That kinda got me. Here's a dog that's built for killing, and yet he's still trying to help a guy out, because he's a "Gud Dog." After all the death he's brought about, he's still just a dog that wants to be loved and help out.

The scene where Pirate gets it. Damn. I feel for the family, I feel for their dog, and I feel for We3, and that's just some excellent writing there. But is Pirate still barely alive, sputtering out its final words, or is he dead, with his computer voice-tronics sputtering out words on their own?

Animal Weapon 4. Yeesh. Looks like a scary bugger, but I would've preferred a monkey or wolf or something other than another dog.

As for what'll happen next ish, I imagine Tinker might bite it and Bandit will finally make it back to his original owner, only to die on the lawn... and possibly break free of his armor and be a "real dog" again. But no matter how it happens, it'll be a terrible and tragic ending.

It's always nice coming to these boards because of the fine discussion of some of my favorite current comics. In fact, as soon as I post this I'm off to the JLA Classified thread, which I also just got today.
 
 
The Falcon
01:15 / 24.11.04
Aye, but the mastiff's a proper pet. Big Dave's, for example.

Only Ross from Friends has a monkey.
 
 
Bed Head
01:40 / 24.11.04
I’d argue Tarzan has a vaguely monkey-shaped chimp. What with this being the internet, and all.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:45 / 24.11.04
>> But is Pirate still barely alive, sputtering out its final words, or is he dead, with his computer voice-tronics sputtering out words on their own?

yeah, this is kinda creepy...it sure seemed like he got shot in the head/brain, but yet he stands there going "skrrzzzll...." crreeeeeeepyyy...
 
 
COG
22:06 / 17.10.08
Reviving an old thread.

I took a walk over the hill to a different library today just to read this (with a nice coffee on their terrace. This is how all libraries should be). Loved it.

To respond to the above post, I took it to mean that Pirate's mind control box was hit, so his language went out the window.

Loved the rabbit poo mines plopping out of that robot anus. Straight faced laughs all around.

Also, the scene where Pirate gets shot by the hunter, he is literally a Rabbit in the headlights.

No in depth analysis from me, just a bit of love for a great self contained comic.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:39 / 17.10.08
I should pull this out -- I looked at the spine on my shelf the other day and thought much the same thing.

The one thing I hate about We3 is that the people in my life I think would strongly resonate with the themes and significance of the story would all be traumatized by the animal violence.
 
 
MrKismet
00:59 / 18.10.08
<< . . . the people in my life I think would strongly resonate with the themes and significance of the story would all be traumatized by the animal violence. >>

Same here, Papers. My best friend loves comics & movies, but will have nothing to do with anything that even hints at animal cruelty. She refused to see I AM LEGEND with Will Smif because she heard the dog is killed.

Too bad, cuz We3 is the tits.
 
 
Professor Silly
14:55 / 19.10.08
I coaxed a young PETA-advocate into reading it at work...she came up to me after, tears streaming down her face and said...and I quote:

"I didn't...didn't know...comics could...be...like this!"

Her sobbing was so precious.
 
  

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