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Axolotl
15:09 / 08.07.05
That does sound pretty cool. But as you say much more difficult to sell.
On a related note I have to disagree with making Reed younger (in the Ultimatised version as well). Reed is at least in his mid thirties, the character doesn't make any sense otherwise, and neither does his relationship with the rest of the group.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:31 / 10.07.05
Just saw it the other night.

I was fully expecting it to suck. I kept sitting there thinking, "OK, movie, you're doing alright... when will you start to suck?" but... it never really came to that. Granted, I laughed inappropriately at the appearance of Doom's mask and the actor playing Doom does fine up until they put him in the costume and it's gut-wrenchingly wrong.

BUT, for a non-comic fan it's great fun and for a comic fan they don't really get anything wrong. Bearing that in mind, there are so many iterations of the comic that anyone can say 'that's not Johnny' or 'the Baxter Building is wrong,' etc, but if Stan and Jack were to see it I think they'd be pleased. It's funny, it has insane fight scenes (the Mr Fantastic stuff blew my mind) and it has Stan Lee as mailman Willy Lumpkin and the Thing drinking coffee in a cafe. How cool is that?

So going into this expecting Alba to be terrible (I actually thought she did fine), the origin to be all screwed up and Doom to be a joke... I think you'll enjoy yourself if only for the mad fight scenes, bickering family dynamic and general humor (The Thing telling kids to not do drugs floored me).

The X-Games segments will have you checking your ticket stub but keep in mind this film ain't for over the 21 crowd and respect that for the kid next to you this is the coolest movie ever made (aside from the boring Reed/Sue stuff). Oh and the soundtrack is terrible.

If we were kids and saw this film we'd be playing FF in the school yard and that really makes me happy... I get to be Thing first, OK?

I'm a huge FF fan from the originals to the Byrne era and including the current versions (minus Ultimate) and I know that a serious heavy film is in those stories, but ultimately it work so much better as an all ages comic movie with flashy effects and booming sounds.
 
 
rabideyemovement
08:20 / 11.07.05
Okay, the scene where Sue had to strip to sneak past the crowd and get to Ben... How did that plan work exactly? One minute she strips, the next minute Johnny and Reed are with her on the other side of the barricade. If the plan was to just push through the crowd, then doesn't that make Sue's striptease kind of gratuitous. Not that I would ever, ever, EVER complain about a partially nude Alba body, but damn, that scene made no sense at all.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:04 / 11.07.05
... and there's your explanation.

I recall writing to Jamie Delano that I was creeped out by his series of Animal Man ending with a three way hot tub scene and he wrote back that given that I was straight there was definitely something wrong with me.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you (actually Delano is so take it up with him ), but I think tSue being naked was the whole point. It was a laugh poorly executed. That's 99% of the film, a laugh.

There are numerous logistical flaws with the film, which weirds me out since it was apparently co-written by Twin Peaks scribe Mark Frost... that can't possibly be right, can it?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:12 / 11.07.05
Well, it was Frost AND someone, so it was pretty easy for me to pick out which parts were Frost's and which parts were the other writers. If my guesses are right, he's the one who really brought across the tragedy of Ben Grimm without making it the trademark Marvel Bellyaching That Used To Stand In For Characterization.

I liked it. It seems that all of the Big Blockbusters this summer are "grim and gritty", so it was nice to see one that was a bit light, had some decent humor, and actually treated the heroes like people thought they were Heroes (even though the "heroic" aspect was a bit negligable). It was also nice to see that, at the screening I went to, parents and kids were there together enjoying the movie.

What struck me about the casting, though, was how Johnny, Reed and Doom all looked pretty much the same, as if the actors all came from a "generic good looking actor" factory. Maybe it was the similar haircuts, but it was a bit creepy.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:41 / 11.07.05
I'm shocked at how well this did...

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Fantastic Four" Foils Summer Box Office Slump

Sunday July 10 6:42 PM ET
Yahoo News


Yoda couldn't do it. Batman failed, too. It finally took the heroics of Fantastic Four to stop that most nefarious of villains--the dastardly Box Office Slump.

Clobbering time, indeed!

The flick about a quartet of dysfunctional superheroes earned an incredible $56 million, leading the box office to its first up weekend after a record 19 straight downers, according to preliminary studio figures Sunday.

If estimates hold, the top 12 movies will have grossed $140.9 million, a 2.2 percent gain over this time last year when fellow Marvel do-gooder Spider-Man 2 headlined the lineup.

The truly fantastic gross for Fantastic Four was a welcome surprise. Bruce Snyder, head of distribution for Fox, said he'd anticipated something in the high $30 million range, but "it exploded...and you know why? Because it's fun!"

"It's great. This shows that the right movie with the right marketing, will bring the people in," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Exhibitor Relations. He believes that Fox may even have slightly underestimated Sunday's numbers, so that when final figures are in Monday, the overall tally will be up even more--something sorely needed by a business that has been trashed week after week this year.

"It's what people want in a summer movie. It's popcorn. It's light-hearted," said Dergarabedian. The PG-13 action adventure, stars Ioan Griffudd, Jessica Alba, Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis as astronauts transformed into mutants who must save the day from megalomaniac baddie Dr. Doom, played by Julian McMahon.

Audiences ignored the critics, who mainly whined that the comic-inspired movie played, well, like a comic book. All demographics flocked to the 3,602 sites, generating a per-theater average of $15,547.

As creator Stan Lee might say: Excelsior!

The film was the fifth-best July opener ever on a list led by last year's Spider-Man 2's whopping $88.1 million during the first three days of the Fourth of July weekend.

Nearly 41 percent of those purchasing tickets for the top 12 attractions chose Fantastic Four, leaving the weekend's other wide release, Dark Water, barely treading water. Buena Vista's PG-13 frightfest, a remake of a Japanese horror flick, stars Jennifer Connelly as desperate mom who makes a very bad rental choice, managed to attract about 7 percent of the weekend business, grossing $10.1 million in fourth place. Its per-site average was $3,811 at 2,657 theaters.
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FinderWolf
17:02 / 11.07.05
Arad just told the LA Times there will definitely be a sequel.
 
 
Simplist
17:17 / 11.07.05
For all the hyper-negative internet buzz and near-ubiquitous bad reviews, this movie was actually pretty enjoyable. There were some groaner moments for sure (the whole thing with Ben Grimm's wife comes to mind), but overall it was a lot of fun. My only real complaint is that it was mostly setup, with the real payoff to come in later films, but that's a weakness of superhero origin films generally. The filmmakers were pretty obviously laboring under serious budgetary restrictions -- note the fairly minimal use of Mr. Fantastic's powers onscreen -- but they managed to work around that pretty well. With the surprising box office the film did I imagine those constraints will be considerably less for the second film.
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
02:05 / 12.07.05
Is it dumb? Absolutely.
Is the dialogue DREADUL? Certainly.
Are many of the special effects shots not so special? Sure.

Is it fun?!? Yeah. I gotta say it is. It's hard to say otherwise. Chiklis and Evans make it work. They make THEIR scenes SO memorable that you forget about...well...all the rest of the forgettable stuff.

And, I'll tell you what. Even though I think it's mediocre...I saw it on a Sunday afternoon in NYC, in a theatre PACKED with kids. And the kids LOVED IT! And that's far more important than what I think...
 
 
Tunnels
13:18 / 18.07.05
There's one thought that I haven't been able to get out of my mind and I don't know why:

Wes Anderson would have made a great Fantastic Four flick.

Not too sure if that statement is true or not, i just can't shake it off my head.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
13:47 / 18.07.05
Hmmm...Bill Murray as Reid Richards, Owen Wilson as Human Torch? I kinda like the sound of that, Chief!
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:02 / 18.07.05
Willem Dafoe as Doctor Doom!
REED RICHARDS: "I'll take Johnny, Ben, and Susan."
VICTOR VON DOOM: "Thanks. Thanks a lot for not picking Doom..."
 
 
Brigade du jour
20:23 / 19.07.05
Oh duuuude, great idea! Cate Blanchett as Invisible Woman, got to be. I think Bill Murray might be better as a kind of lugubrious Thing, though. And then Jason Schwartzman as Reed. Buggers the family dynamic around a bit, doesn't it?
 
 
FinderWolf
20:37 / 19.07.05
Aint It Cool is reporting that Ioan Gruffaud (whatever on the spelling) said he just got a phone call from Fox studio heads that they're definitely doing an FF 2 movie. Fans everywhere are compiling their lists of how to make FF 2 better than the first one.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:26 / 21.07.05
Nigel Christ. I'm going to headkill the next comics fan I see in retaliation for the kind of cliched, creatively-bankrupt fuckwittery that will comprise those lists, I swear.

These kind of comics fanboys don't deserve good comics movies. Hell, they don't deserve comics. Sterilisation and lobotomisation, it's the only answer. Get 'em working sewing sneakers and t-shirts in some bedsit in Thailand, so they can actually contribute something more to the world than they do right now.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:32 / 22.07.05
Finally saw this...

The first 20 minutes had me cringing. Boy, that Ioan Gruffaud is a BAD ACTOR. BAD. ACTOR! And his accent was all over the place. I hear he's Scottish, but man, sometimes he sounded like an Australian trying to cover up his accent, sometimes he sounded like he was from Brooklyn, sometimes he sounded passably American... and he's pretty bad acting-wise throughout. He does *look* like Reed, though.

However, once they got their powers and we had the whole bridge sequence with Ben flipping out, the movie started to improve a bit. I actually enjoyed the bridge sequence with everyone using their powers, and for a few moments I felt like I was watching a halfway decent FF movie.

Chris Evans stole the movie as Johnny Storm. Every single thing he did was either funny or just plain charismatic, good solid acting. So likeable as a character, and even his "stop bugging me, sis, they love me" hinted at the insecurities of Johnny Storm in a way that the comics rarely do.

Alba did surprisingly well, she's miscast but she wasn't the train wreck I expected. She's not a good actress but she's adequate enough not to ruin it horribly. Every time she was on the screen, most males in the theater whispered a hushed 'oh, man...' Very interesting affect, must have been what it was like to view a movie when Marilyn Monroe was around (not that I'm comparing the two in any significant way, but it was notable how every time she was on the screen everyone pretty much drooled).

Doom....meh. But he fit the movie's slightly campy cartoony made for 10 year olds tone fine, I guess.

The Human Torch special effects were pretty great, the best of the film. I liked how they showed the invisibilty power, and Reed's stretching was actually quite good. I never thought about how creepy, disconcerting and freakish Reed's stretching power would look in real life til I saw the trailers and the movie itself.

>> 'the Baxter Building is wrong,' etc,

I did find it a bit odd that Baxter Building looked so weird, but I see what the art directors were going for - a building where the top floors looked like a kooky-patchwork-mad-scientist playground, almost as if Reed kept adding sections on in a mad rush of ideas, having on concept as to architectural design.

The sequence where they were 'given' their superhero names by Johnny actually kind of worked too.

>> it has Stan Lee as mailman Willy Lumpkin and the Thing drinking coffee in a cafe. How cool is that?

Ditto on both fronts. People cheered for Stan Lee when he showed up - and he was born to play Willy Lumpkin. He looks pretty much exactly like the character! Great Lee cameo.

The Thing in his trenchcoat and hat actually had me visualizing Kirby scenes several times...and the Thing looking depressed in the coffee shop/diner, trying to drink his coffee...spot on. (I can't believe I'm saying that this movie got some things spot on, but it kind of did) And the Thing's arc actually worked - it was a nice progression. His choice to return to being the Thing to save the day worked, esp. with the interesting irony that he used to be the tough guy/protector when he was human but now that the group is in the superhero powers-world, his human toughness can't help them anymore against superpowered baddies.

>> The Thing telling kids to not do drugs floored me.

YES! And they got the Johnny/Ben bickering totally right -- you could even see Johnny's friendship and attempt at kindess for Ben in trying to get Ben to lighten up about his new 'condition' in the 'Smile, Ben -- they want to like you" bit.

Chiklis struck me as very boring and almost a bad actor in his early scenes as Ben Grimm, but once he became The Thing he rocked the house. The Thing costume/suit didn't bother me nearly as much as it did when I saw the trailers or photos from the film: once I was in the film watching it, it really worked for me. In fact, it allowed Chiklis to really come alive - the face moved with his face, everything seemed pretty fluid somehow. His eyes spoke volumes and actually looked appropriately tragic at times. Sure, it doesn't look like the traditional Thing we all know, but it does look more like the early mushy-globby Thing from the early FF comics...and it really comes off more as a man deformed than a cool rocky guy. And Chiklis nailed the voice...the slight effect they put on it worked beautifully.

Dooms' voice, though, once he was in the armor, was pretty weak. Where he got the mask was ok -- it is nice that they worked in the whole 'can't bear to be seen with scars on his face' vanity thing. The ending moments where he's tucked away in a tanker to Latveria were very ripoff/homage to the Ark getting shut away among many many boxes at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The FF costumes actually looked very cool, I thought. Even Ben's pants with FF belt buckle.

I'd rather not have Doom be the villian in a sequel, they used him up for this movie and he wasn't all that great anyway. What do they HAVE to have in the sequel? The Fantasticar.

Sure the movie is dumbed down for kids, but given reports that 90% of the attendees at the big San Diego ComicCon were ages 20-30 (ish), maybe that's not such a bad thing to have 10-year olds get psyched for the FF. The only time I really believe all the 'comics are doomed' stuff is when I realize that it's primarily people ages 25-40 (ish) that are buying comics with any regularity right now.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:58 / 22.07.05
sequel villians: um, Annihilus? Galactus? The Frightful Four? The Mole Man? Paste Pot Pete?
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:14 / 22.07.05
overall entertaining...

DOOM's voice and CEO status was weak. It would be nice to see him as Monarch with Giant Robots... Hell that movie needed to end with Giant Robots. the 4 against DOOM just didn't seem like much of a conflict.

For the sequel.
First act would be the Mole man, have that Giant monster coming up from underground. LOVE it. then finish off with Doom's giant robots or a Skrull invasion nobody notices. They could be following the cosmic storm or runing from Galactus (who would be the F.F. 3 villian).

Annilius and the Negative Zone would also be fun.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
12:58 / 23.07.05
For the sequel, I want Jack the Bodiless as THE INFANT TERRIBLE from FFv.1#24.

Think about it.
 
 
The Strobe
21:11 / 23.07.05
I hear he's Scottish

Ioan Gruffud is Welsh.
 
 
gridley
23:19 / 23.07.05
Unfortunately, they probably won't be able to use Galactus as a villian, as he'll undoubtedly be in the Silver Surfer film, and so far, they've seemed reluctant to crossover. Plus, I'm not sure how well the big G would work in this camp jokey sort of FF world. Same goes for Namor (his own movie, wrong tone).

I think I'd prefer to see them do the Inhumans storyline. That gives them lots of superpowered enemies and allies, plus Johnny could get that Inhuman girlfriend of his (Crystal?).

Third movie could feature the Negative Zone. Maybe Annhilus (sp?) teaming up with Doom.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:27 / 24.07.05
Gah! Ugh! Get off! Get off me! Insects! Insects crawling all over- Get off!

Well, it's better than Daredevil but the only way you can make a film worse than Daredevil is to not only cast Ben Affleck but then do that CGI thing to make him play more than one character. This is why they will never make Being Ben Affleck.

I'm loathe to put ALL the blame on the cast as none of them were given any favours by the script or the necessary hero moments. Why no-one thought it wrong that the heroes confront the villain only once and at around 80 minutes into a 90 minute film questions must be asked. I suppose that as it was written by the guy who did Hulk (which I kind of like, though not too much) the preceeding 80 minutes were what he thought was 'character' work. But, like Hulk there's a huge gap where heart needs to be. At no point in either film do we remotely care what happens to any of the characters. Doom could have frozen Reed solid and smashed him into pieces with a mallet and we don't care.

The only character the scripters make any effort at all to make us engage with is Ben Grimm, of course, with the whole thing with his girlfriend (and why didn't she come visit him at the hospital?) and then meeting Alicia in the bar (and the bit with the barman is a far too rare nice touch), but she's on screen about six minutes in total and I care more what happens to her than anyone else in the feature.

We have character traits as opposed to characters. Von Doom is arrogant, and yet another character under high-pressure who makes bad decisions and then fights people in body armour, cut-and-pasting Norman Osbourne into F4. Johnny Storm is arrogant, lacking charm to win us over. Does anyone else think this part was written assuming that Sam Rockwell would be playing Johnny? I'm not saying he would be any better, but either that or Chris Evans was hypnotised into thinking he was Sam. Sue Storm... Never seen anything with Jessica Alba in before, never want to again. Ioan Gruffudd doesn't have much range from what I recall, but a decent script might have compensated for his interesting decision to play Reed Richards as if he was a giant Redwood of some description. He showed some animation in his first and last scenes and then seemed to spend the intervening time in some sort of walking coma.

Rather than the entire movie being their origin story that should have been done with in the first twenty minutes or so. Move on a few years, The F4 are stars and heroes, and Doctor Doom returns from obscurity and the collapse of his business to tear them apart and have his revenge. If you want to do an intelligent Marvel movie you have him play them against one another psychologically, you don't have this half-arsed shit.

As it is, the F4 have these powers and what do they do? Reed immediately tries to sequester them away to wait while he tries to find a cure. For Grimm fair enough, (and the one intelligent part is when Johnny asks why being the Thing is permanent for Grimm and not on/off like their powers, and whether that means their powers will be permanently on at some point too). So you've got Reed and Sue walking around a lab, Ben being shunned by most people for looking like a freak, and Johnny for some reason going along with it, while Doom takes a ridiculously long time to realise that he, like they, has special powers.

Boredom, thy name is this movie.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:00 / 22.08.05
well, maybe we'll get a new Invisible Woman for the sequel (though I doubt the studio will let her go considering the thousands of male viewers she brings in):

>> [from comics 2 film] The New York Post is reporting that actress Jessica Alba is mulling over not returning for a sequel, instead joining Jimmy Fallon in an "I Dream of Jeannie" remake. Alba declined to comment for the story.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:42 / 24.08.05
Maybe she could join up with Halle Berry to make a film called "I dream of making a film where I don't suck'?
 
 
wicker woman
09:33 / 26.08.05
Narcoleptic posting.

Boy, did this movie suck. Basically an over-long Mountain Dew commercial, and Doom sounding like Jeff Goldblum post-mask didn't exactly help his threatening factor. Wanted desperately for Johnny to get stabbed in the face.

And what the hell kind of country gives out evil-looking metal masks as humanitarian awards?
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:49 / 26.08.05
A really cool one.

All hail Latervia!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:26 / 26.08.05
Hmmm, is that the cool country next to Selfawaria?
 
 
wicker woman
16:32 / 26.08.05
You're not trying to say the mask bit was the movie's creators being self-aware of the cheesiness of the material, were you? I'd say they were just being stupid.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:12 / 30.01.06
comics 2 film:

>> Director Tim Story is quoted at Latino Review as saying that a certain Latverian will definitely make a return in the sequel. "Yes that I can tell you," Story said. "He will be back in full Doom, not like we had him in the first film." The Alicia Masters character is also discussed.

I guess that means that Doom will look....more like Doom is supposed to look?
 
 
sleazenation
15:16 / 30.01.06
Will anyone care tho?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:12 / 30.01.06
Will John C. Reilley be The Thing this time?

Then no.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:18 / 28.12.06
The Silver Surfer looks pretty great in the new Teaser trailer.

Even though he has eyeballs. Chris Evans as the Torch and Chiklis as Ben/the Thing seem to remain the only good things about the acutal movie Foursome.
 
 
Triplets
02:31 / 29.12.06
Mmm, Silver Surfer as proper silent harbinger of cosmic death. Loved the way he T-1000's through his board.

And the classic oxygen starvation orbital drop. Yes.

Good feelings about this. Down there.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
18:53 / 29.12.06
Dude.

That was pretty rocktastic.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:22 / 30.12.06
Let's hope that, along with the pretty pictures, someone's done a decent script too. I wonder if this means they are holding Galactus off until film 3, or whether they intend to make the mistake of X-3 and have Galactus, the Surfer AND Doom in the one film?
 
  

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