BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Psychedelia/folk/post-rock crossovers – imminent new genre explosion suspected?

 
  

Page: 1(2)

 
 
_pin
10:53 / 02.08.04
Is the other problem that they are all in yr miiiiiiiiind?

Because as nice as the idea of spending a whole day of a festival listening to you run around the stage and explain what all yr bandmates are doing in yr miiiiiiiiind is... what am I saying! That sounds like a great festival!
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:00 / 02.08.04
Cheaper than an analyst anyway. And more profitable.
 
 
_pin
11:10 / 02.08.04
Name them! Name yr bands!
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
17:25 / 02.08.04
They are three.
The Electric Yeti; fearsome Duul style riffology with an unpleasantly large Magma influence.

Raised by Wolves; Guitar & drums improv.

The Burning Idiot Noise; Whatever the hell it wants to be really 'cos it's my baby

An album featuring all three bands should be out early September.
Busy, busy, busy
 
 
rizla mission
14:40 / 03.08.04
That's a brilliant idea for a bit of nutty stand-up / performance art, pin..

"ok, ok, now this is gonna be a band called, um, GOAT OF MENDES and they're doing a song called SKELETON'S HEAD I WILL BUILD ME A DRUM... now first imagine a guy with a huuuuge beard standing at the front of the stage..ok, got that?"

etc.

I think I've found mt vocation in life.
 
 
grant
20:38 / 03.08.04
Y'know, I still haven't gotten that CD I ordered a month ago.....
 
 
_pin
20:28 / 04.08.04
What, of Riz going "So, like, that recording hiss audibole silence thing as just kicked in and there's that for, what, six seconds and your attentions wandered and durdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdur and then there's drums doing durdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdur to and then DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrr-eeeeee!!!! and then the singer's, like, reading from some ancient text about killing you, or something" in his bedroom?
 
 
grant
22:15 / 04.08.04
No, I mean from Arthur magazine. Hmph.
 
 
_pin
15:09 / 05.08.04
Which CD'd you order, cos the Banhart one's out of print and won't be remade until september...
 
 
grant
16:26 / 12.08.04
It came! It came!

The "Million Tongues Festival" came!

Will report back once I've given it a good listen.
 
 
grant
19:16 / 12.08.04
Two tracks in -- There are Japanese 13th Floor Elevators fans? Why not?

It seems like almost all of the stuff on this CD is recorded live. Although it's not too easy to tell the difference.
----

Up to track five now, and it's getting easy to see this stuff as a fusion of no-wave, psychedelia, garage rock and maybe post-rock, maybe not. Instrumentals seem to be favored -- or at least coherent vocals are devalued. If they ever made an action movie out of HP Lovecraft, this stuff would be the perfect soundtrack for, like, Bruce Willis disappearing into the swirling chaos of Azathoth. And his tiny, tiny spacecraft, too.

----

If I was to make a new Barbelith soundtrack mix CD, I think I would have to put track 6, "Caged Fire Theme" by Plastic Crimewave Sound on it. It has tortured electronic sounds amid screaming and wall-like waves of distorted guitar. That's a wanky description. Let's just say it's loud and you can't really hum it.

-----

I think I could hum track 9, "Wide Awake" by Spires That in the Sunset Rise. It has the same odd beauty that some very early Jefferson Airplane does, only far less gentle.
In the Lovecraft movie (any genre), this might be the soundtrack to when Randolph Carter meets all the cats. There's something feline about the yowling and clanging.

----

Ah, and tracks 9 & 10 usher us into the chill-out room with some slide guitar and ladies from space. I can't help but think now that this genre of music, if it is one, is somehow intimately tied up with the Burning Man aesthetic -- that whole create-your-own-post-apocalyptic-community vibe is heavy here, salvaging whatever stuff from the hippie movement that might have survived the honesty of punk rock.

----

Track 11, Simon Finn's "Walkie Talkie" is everything a folk performance should be. Melancholy, has oblique lyrics, uses the word "cocks" (as in "holding onto our"). And the next one, Frankie Delmane's "Magic in Your Eyes, Murder in Your Heart" is gorgeous. Like that aforementioned Surrealistic Pillow-era Jefferson Airplane covering Nick Cave, via Kendra Smith or something.
----
OK, by track 13, some of the brutality of the opening noise has been left completely behind by beautiful synths (I think -- might be even older electronic instruments) dueting with recorders, behind gorgeous female vocals. Espers, "Under the Waterfall" -- goes on mixtapes next to Pentangle & Fairport Convention, maybe Janis Joplin's "Summertime."

----
My god, track 15 is built over a sitar riff. It's an improvisation, even. "Improvisation on 'the Unteleported Man'" by PG Six. I can't tell, but I think someone is singing along with this. Two sitars? A sitar and a guitar with a sitar pedal?
----

Track 16, (edited in later: by Fur Saxa --on the label, it's two words, with an umlaut over the U) and I'm outright dozing off, having strange semi-dreams. By track 17, though, the Japanese are back in the house with ambient space noise. "Untitled Space" by Kawabata Makoto w/Kinski. Anyone remember the radio show "Musical Starstreams" which was all, like, Vangelis-type New Agey "space music"? This is like that, only with distortion pedals, too.

-----
Taurpis Tula's "Blood Red Lights Across the Snow" is for the Very Special Halloween Episode of Musical Starstreams when the sleepy-voiced DJ finally reveals that he worships Satan and has implanted hypnotic commands in all of his regular listeners to don black cat costumes and kill policemen.

(What is it with this music and cat noises? Are cats from space telepathically broadcasting the sheet music?)

----

Track 19, MV Carbon "Smear the Scatter," reminds us that we are living in the post-Suicide, post-industrial era. I kind of wish I wasn't listening to this on a laptop, because that scares me.

Why am I doing this?

This is a song I will never, ever be able to play at home as long as the better half is around, because she won't stand for it.

----
Finally, the hacking, choking noises over sitars, beeps, and cut-up laughter of "Cannibal Headphones" by Panicsville. Very much an "experimental soundscape," I think. I had a 45 by a band called... umm... Beyond the Promise Ring? Outside the Shadow Ring? It was definitely a something Ring, and not the alternative band, because it was all tweety noises like this.
If punk rock was the answer to Pink Floyd's Animals, this stuff is the answer to Umma Gumma. Or a tribute to it.
Ack! it crescendoes into a wall of feedback textures!

---

Hidden track of goofy sci-fi chatter about master races and curious species -- maybe from the old Planet of the Apes cartoon.

----

Yeah, there's definitely something "movementy" going on here -- I've heard stuff like this before, but only either at Burning Man (4am, once the shrooms kicked in, from the nightmare camp next door) or else on scattered 7 inches. And maybe from some Residents fans. Never all on one comp.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:38 / 13.08.04
It's here...!
It's In Mojo...!
It's called...

New weird Folk!

Gah, fuckers, die! die! die!

(No mention of Sunburned, see?)
 
 
illmatic
13:04 / 13.08.04
I brought Sunburned's Rare Wood last week, first opinions - hated it, due to the gravel vocals. Second time around, not too bad once you get used to the discord, some interesting stuff going on musically, quite enjoyed it. Not the most critical review I know, but give me a chance....

Any body else this or otehr stuff by them?
 
 
grant
13:27 / 13.08.04
Actually, thinking of the Residents and that creepy camp next door one Burning Man reminds me of Potatoes (scroll down), a Ralph Records comp of bizarre folk music. The Residents do "I'm So Lonesome I Could Die," Mark Mothersbaugh does a song about Akron, Ohio, and Negativland has a track using samples from a cooking show about making scrambled eggs. Howard Finster also has a couple things on there. Overall, it's way more "world musicky" than this stuff, came out in the late 80s I think, but definitely seems related in some ways.
 
 
rizla mission
17:35 / 13.08.04
My god grant, that CD sounds amazing!

goodness knows what they charge to send one across the Atlantic, but whatever it is, I think I'll pay it..
 
 
rizla mission
17:36 / 13.08.04
(the Arthur one I mean..)
 
 
grant
21:17 / 13.08.04
That hidden track is bugging me now, actually. I know I recognize the one actor's voice -- it's a dialogue between two or three guys held captive by savage aliens. Battle Beyond the Planets maybe?

Anyway, I didn't identify Fur Saxa at first because it's not one of the stronger tracks on the album. Then I realized y'all had been talking about them earlier. Anyway, a lot of this stuff is better.
 
 
Quantum
19:31 / 24.05.06
So would people like a thread on the new folk / folktronica / wryd folk? Bet there's some fans round here... 2stepfan

What the fuck do we call it? C'mon, let's name this bastard genre once and for all. Two years on, we still don't know what it is?

I vote Psy-Folk or Nu-Folk but I think they're both dodgy, any other suggestions or discoveries?

NB I agree with Stoatie from '04 that the Incredible String Band are the fathers of Psy-Folk, they are blatantly Devendra Banhart's biggest influence.
 
 
jeff
22:15 / 24.05.06
Definately. I still like some of Banhart's stuff but after listening to the 5000 spirits it seemed a bit, well, pointless going back. And apparently the Hedgehog Song is the Archbishop of Canterbury's favourite tune!
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:40 / 25.05.06
Please don't call it Nu-Folk.

I guess psychedelic folk is the best name for this genre, if we must group a disparate selection of bands together under a heading for convenience. Psyche-folk or acid folk is the term applied to earlier artists like the Incredible String Band, Pentangle, Linda Perhacs, Vashti Bunyan, etc and it fits just as well around contemporary artists making music in a broadly similar style like Banhart, Josephine Foster, Espers, et al.

On the subject of recommendations, be sure to check out occasional barbelith contributor Rosie X's band The Eighteenth Day of May
 
 
haus of fraser
10:43 / 25.05.06
Nu folk is a horrible term- Acid folk pretty much sums it up to me - another British band to throw into the mix who i mentioned in the New bands thread are Babel...

Have a listen, I like them a lot.
 
 
Quantum
10:25 / 26.05.06
I can vouch for The Eighteenth Day, they're brilliant.
 
 
rosie x
11:56 / 26.05.06
Y'all are too kind! We met with our label last night and it looks like we've got the go ahead to begin work on the next album soon. Will be fun as we never expected the initial recordings that became the first one to even be released at all...

We are headed up to Newcastle this weekend to play the Orange Evolution Festival on Monday. It's a free show. I'm sad though, as I have to heave my Harmonium in London. It's too heavy to manage on the coach! Waaa.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
12:44 / 26.05.06
Huzzah! I hope I can get along, any other 'lithers be there?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:55 / 26.05.06
I wanted to go, being a displaced geordie now in London, but left it too late to get train tickets and prices rocketed up to insane levels over the bank holiday weekend - which is always annoying. They are definitely worth seeing live though.
 
 
rosie x
14:08 / 26.05.06
It's a strange thing though, all this media hype about new weird folk revivals and the like. My own group, well we're pretty grateful for the exposure we've gotten due to the current shift in popular tastes, but simultaneously, its frustrating at times to be pigeonholed. It's as if every musican making records in the past year or two whose work draws from traditional influences, or who enjoys eclectic instrumentation, or who has a lot of albums from the 60's in their record collection suddenly has found themselves in a rather odd place as far as the press is concerned. As if it was all some giant conspiracy we dreamt up, collectively and consciously. The most frequent question that music journos seem to ask me is how my band feels about spearheading the UK new folk revival, and where we see ourselves in relation to this "new aesthetic". Huh? That was never really the point. Yeah, we wear some of our influences on our sleeves, but what musicians don't?

Things get even more interesting when one takes into consideration that my group was formed back in 2002 when everyone was well into garage rock, and being in a folk band was decidedly uncool. At least it was in London. Most of the songs on our record were written in 2002-2003, and we began recording in 2004. The recordings were a series of demos designed to get live gigs, nothing more, nothing less! Recorded in a friend's home studio. One of those tracks was featured on a compilation that some friends of ours put together, and we were signed by our current label in early 2005, with the album being released later that year.

Are there any other musicians on this forum who are getting just a wee bit fed up with all these bizarre preconceptions that the media is spewing out in such abundance? Any confusion about finding your band immersed in a "movement" that you never even knew existed?
 
  

Page: 1(2)

 
  
Add Your Reply