BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


gek, and creating new group servitors

 
  

Page: 12(3)

 
 
Warewullf
09:17 / 31.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Gus:

I'll try and fold a few extra ones to give to the wind or leave in places of power. Although I spent most of last evening trying to fold just one of this frickin' thing
and couldn't quite get it to work (I was at work though so it's ok). The fold at step 11 is not clear and after that it doesn't look right. Practice this in advance, people!


Yeah, I agree!! I wish I'd tried this before suggesting it because it SO DAMN HARD!

I'm looking for an easier butterfly to fold. If anyone can get the original to work, LET US KNOW!!
 
 
Naked Flame
09:51 / 31.12.01
It's Alive.
 
 
Papess
09:51 / 31.12.01
Yes, this was good. I am experiencing some flitty type thing or things. Is anyone else?

-May
 
 
Warewullf
15:42 / 31.12.01
Ok, finally figured out how to fold the butterfly but haven't had time to actually charge it yet!

Have been experiencing an awful lot of occurences of Butterflies, though....
 
 
the rake at the gates
18:39 / 31.12.01
i havent had the time to charge my butterfly yet, although ealier on i was watching 'smallvile' and thinking about the spiral amplifly, and due to a cheesy plot device someone opened a box and loads of butterflies flew out, thats the only thing so far that comes close.
 
 
Tamayyurt
09:01 / 01.01.02
I had a bunch of butterflies in a dream!
 
 
the rake at the gates
17:03 / 01.01.02
how many people have got round to charging their butterfly?
i havent had the time, if you have did you use the draft gus wrote? and with the method he suggested, and which symbol did you charge with?
 
 
grant
19:10 / 02.01.02
This might be easier.

This one is just, well, all pornographic and stuff.

I can't tell what the heck is going on in step 11 of the one earlier in this list either. Totally lost it.

There are tips here, too, and I think you have to read them before trying their butterfly model. Lotsa nice links though.
This handy insect list is one of those nice links.

[ 02-01-2002: Message edited by: grant ]
 
 
mondo a-go-go
07:47 / 03.01.02
quote:Originally posted by grant:
This one is just, well, all pornographic and stuff.



[URL=http://underground.zork.net/#venus butterfly]this one[/URL], y'mean? i like it!
 
 
Warewullf
22:43 / 05.01.02
Ok, I charged this last night but I must confess that I didn't really "feel" anything.

Still, I haven't actually tried to use her yet so we'll have to wait and see if she works...
 
 
Ria
18:26 / 06.01.02
I have some suggestions... salvia divinorium (legal in the US) for gnosis* and perhaps eight as the number of butterflies as that seems associated with chaos now... that popular association of butterflies with chaotic attractors...

and that we alter the statement of intent as we see fit as well.

* -- I have yet to try it though.
 
 
Gus
05:01 / 10.01.02
Ok, sorry if it took me a long time to reply to this. I did perform the ritual on that night, but I don't think it was as effective as it could have been, partly because I was working the next day so I had to go to sleep and set my alarm for 5 AM, wake up, do the ritual and go back to sleep. As a result I was understandably quite sleepy and couldn't concentrate well, I also had to skip a few steps (I ain't lighting candles in that state!). I did have strange dreams before and after, though, some of which I believe were related (in fact it took me a while the next day to remember if I had actually awoken or if I dreamed the whole ritual).

It think the Amplifly is out there now, but she's still pretty weak. She might be in some kind of embryonic state, still forming, gathering strenght slowly from everyone who charge their butterfly. I believe we are going to need at least another mass charging for her before she's really able to perform well. Preferably one that's not in the middle of the night (and that she doesn't have to share with someone else, charging the Mango at the same time didn't leave her with much, I'm afraid).

[ 10-01-2002: Message edited by: Gus ]
 
 
grant
16:04 / 10.01.02
Is she a pupa now, then?
 
 
the rake at the gates
18:15 / 11.01.02
it makes sense that she would take a little time to fully form, as she is a butterfly, and is probably in some kind of cocoon.

due to certain restrictions i have not yet charged her yet, so if all the people who have yet to do this agree on a time for charging we can try and 'hatch' her.
 
 
penitentvandal
12:48 / 14.01.02
I'd be up for the hatching - seems I missed the main charging thing thru lack of decent net access.

As to spell queueing systems, no, no, no, no, no...The last thing I want is to have dreams which consist entirely of me listening to a butterfly continually repeat the words 'cannot perform ritual; clear spell queue and retry...'
 
 
gnsha99
09:13 / 17.01.02
I gotta say that I just sat here and read every damned entry listed above this one, and I am absolutely amazed! I never in my entire life thought that I would find myself in a place where other people had the creativity, willingness, knowledge, and devil-may-care attitude to actually call into existence an entity that could help them in some aspect of their lives.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here! I'll probably need some guidance with this one (I've only recently begun practicing magic) but I'm all aboard.
The only question that I have: how much impact will traditional butterfly associations have on Spiral Amplifly?
 
 
grant
16:30 / 17.01.02
Quite a lot, I'd imagine.

Look for rebirths and transformations in the abilities, eh?
 
 
the rake at the gates
18:02 / 20.01.02
we need to get organise a list of everyone who is going to help hatch her and arrange a time

i was reading a book on chaos the other day and was thinking that it might contain a image of her, so i concentrated on calling her into the book, and i found a great picture of a butterfly made up of multicoloured points on a spiral type thing, hard to explain, so i'll scan it and post it asap

the more people who hatch her the better, and she'll be really apreciative if you help
 
 
gnsha99
09:01 / 23.01.02
Okay, I put a little thought into this, had a meditative inspiration, and then did a little research. Ready?

It occured to me that butterflies go through four stages of developement: egg, larva (caterpiller), pupa (cocoon), and adult. So far a few people have hatched her and she is now a voracious eating machine who needs to be fed before she can pupate. Her amplifying effects may have similar characteristics.
She should be continually pregnant, waiting for the right moment to leave eggs to hatch.
Butterflies, like hummingbirds, require a seriously high caloric intake to sustain their metabolism, thus sugary foods and nectars. I suggest hard candy, honey, gum drops, etc. Maybe even candy bars. For the same reason, she may like extremely loud music.
Her number could be the Fibonacci sequence, an algorithm that describes the "natural spiral" found in things like nautilus shells and the placement of leaves on the stems of plants. I'm afraid that I don't know the formula off the top of my head.
I think she would be lovely if her body were purple (for magick) and her wings were made of prismatic glass. Not so sure about that, though.
She may play a role in communication between planes of existence, spiritual revelation and passage (see below).
The most appropriate time for her birthday, I think, would be the vernal equinox, time for new beginnings and growth.

Now, on to research. This, of course, may be nothing that everybody here doesn't already know. The following from Animal Energies by Gary Buffalo Horn Man and Sherry Firedancer, published by Dancing Otter Publishing, West Virginia: quote:There are many species of Butterfly. All begin as caterpillars which feed on plants, usually a specific variety, until they gain enough mass to form a cocoon and transform. The emergent Butterfly feeds on flower nectar. Some Butterflies, such as the Swallowtail, live for only one month, enough time to find a mate. Others can live much longer. Some, such as the Monarch, migrate up to 3,000 miles.
Butterfly represents balance. These air-dancers are themselves beautifully colored and patterned. They feed on flowers, which they help pollinate, thereby further spreading beauty. They represent the element of Air, quickly changing and ever moving, so gracefully. If Butterfly has come to you, it might be bringing a message that whatever you were thinking or doing when it appeared is balanced and harmonious for you. They are messengers of the moment.... Whenever an ecosystem is damaged, Butterfly is usually the first to leave. They are especially sensitive to the harmony of Earth Mother's ways. If Butterfly has come to you in a hurt, trapped or ill way, you are being told to stop disturbing the natural design of life and to flow with events in a more gentle, natural way.

And then fromAn Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, by J.C. Cooper, published by Thames and Hudson, Ltd., London: quote:The soul; immortality. As changing from the mundane caterpillar, through the state of dissolution, to the celestial winged creature, it is rebirth, resurrection. Also, like the double headed axe, a symbol of the Great Goddess. Celtic: The soul; fire. Chinese: Immortality; abundant leisure; joy. The butterfly with the chrysanthemum portrays beauty in old age; with the plum it is longevity. Christian: Resurrection; its stages of development are life, death and resurrection. Sometimes shown in the hand of the Christ Child. Greek: Immortality; the soul; the psyche; also Psyche in Greek art. Japanese: A vain woman; a geisha; a fickle lover. A pair of butterflies is conjugal happiness; a white butterfly is a spirit of the dead. Maori: the soul.

So. I guess now I just need to get some nice paper for origami.
 
 
Papess
09:01 / 23.01.02
You have done some excellent research ganesh. This is very helpful and I will work this info. I already charged hir and she seems responsive when I call (although I usually do this to test hir).

quote: Her number could be the Fibonacci sequence, an algorithm that describes the "natural spiral" found in things like nautilus shells and the placement of leaves on the stems of plants. I'm afraid that I don't know the formula off the top of my head.

Is this the sequence? Fibonacci sequence 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, . . . , each of which, after the second is the sum of the two previous ones.

I am no mathematician but I think I understand your suggestion. The sequence is infinate and uses a natural (or organic) amplification theory process. Am I still making sense?

IU am very impressed little ganesh. Thank you for your hard work and interest. I love it when we come together as a team!

Go Barbelith!...at least I know I am on the winning team!!

~May Tricks
 
 
—| x |—
09:01 / 23.01.02
quote:Originally posted by May Tricks:
Is this the sequence? Fibonacci sequence 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, . . . , each of which, after the second is the sum of the two previous ones.


Yes, that’s the series, and here is the formula:

F(n+2) = F(n+1) + F(n)

It is taking the series F(n) / F(n+1) that yields: 0, 1, 0.5, 0.666..., 0.6, 0.625, 0.615,... which appears to be heading towards some constant. This would be the irrational number Phi: the golden mean. It is the golden mean that produces the spiral(s) to which gnsha99 is referring.

It's really a fascinating number! For more info, here are some links:
0,1, 1,...

I'm not really much of a mathematician either!
0 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 8 = 0 (mod 5)

[edited to remove a bad link (it was only a decimal expansion of Phi to 50, 000 digits, so yer not missin' out!)]

[ 23-01-2002: Message edited by: modfive ]
 
 
Papess
09:01 / 23.01.02
I have only worked with The Golden Mean in design. It is a truly beautiful equation. I have no head for numbers but the applicaton is very appropriate here it seems. I love this!

~May Tricks
 
 
the rake at the gates
13:00 / 23.01.02
ok i have a scan of the picture i was talking about, but no idea how to post it, so i'll email it to a few of you, so someone else who knows what there doing can do it.

the wings are made up of the 'lorenz attractor', which is probably the most famous 'strange attractor'. as i understand it its a representation of an object in phase space which displays chaos behavoir.
i dont really understand it that well, but its a good representation of a chaotic system, that and it looks pretty
 
 
Papess
14:36 / 23.01.02
Is this ever pretty!

 
 
grant
16:19 / 23.01.02
I couldn't get the file to open, but hey, it sure looks nice there.

My friend Merle wrote a lovely song about the Golden Mean once. I think I remember it better than he does now.

quote:They say that there's a Golden Mean, hiding in the ether of the forms
It floats above us, yet eludes us like a feeling in the morn-
ing when you realize you might have had a little bit too much
Transparent to the eye, I think it must be velvet to the touch.
(ch) They tell you in your school that mean is only average -
don't believe it, don't believe it.
And if anyone says anything to make you think you're average -
don't believe it, don't believe it.
I've seen you looking good and looking bad, and the best is when you're happy,
please believe it... please believe it....


It goes on like that for another verse. Much better sung than written, but I like the wordplay.
 
 
Ria
09:37 / 25.01.02


[ 25-01-2002: Message edited by: Ria ]
 
 
Papess
09:37 / 25.01.02
I think we have hit on something here! Awesome!

~May Tricks
 
 
—| x |—
09:37 / 25.01.02
quote:Originally posted by May Tricks:
It is a truly beautiful equation...the applicaton is very appropriate...


Yes and yes!

That's a *super* *sweet* butterfly, btw! I've never seen as wonderful an application for the Lorentz attractor as you fine lot have created here. Cheers to all of youse!

And those lyrics about the golden mean are quite nice too. I love it when mathematics and art/magick meet!

Not one to say no to numbers,
23 + 32 = 0 (mod 5)
 
 
gnsha99
16:31 / 27.01.02
Finally got some lovely little squares of paper colored on one side! Folded my very first origami structure just a few minutes ago to practice making my butterfly. May take up origami as a hobby now. Bought a book on it, so why not? I think I'll wait to charge it until we've come together on a time. Or on the other hand...
Now that chaos has inevitably crept in, maybe we should just dispense with dates and times. As I understand chaos theory, which is probably not all that well, chaotic behaviour begins quickly under even the simplest of parameters. Should we have a long list of programming details(charging dates, routing instructions, etc.)? (I can't help but think of it as an algorithm now) Would a whole bunch of constants make the equation simpler or more complex? From the complexity theory point of view, variables cause chaos in a system, not constants. And then on the other hand...
Even the most random sequences seem to have an underlying pattern which can best be described by *drumroll* Fractals. Need I go on about similarity between fractal numbers and spiral patterns? Or does that just complicate things a bit too much?

Embracing chaos, becoming aware of my cocoon,
G

BTW, if absolutely nobody else will lead the way, then I'll volunteer. But like I said, I'm just a bewildered novice.

[ 27-01-2002: Message edited by: gnsha99 ]
 
 
grant
12:50 / 19.02.02
Origami science

quote:My favorite type of results are universality results which prove that, in a certain model of folding, everything is possible. These results are usually the most surprising.
 
  

Page: 12(3)

 
  
Add Your Reply