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gek, and creating new group servitors

 
  

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the rake at the gates
14:53 / 10.12.01
ok i was woundering what gek, i assume that ze is a servitor created by you guys, can anyone use hir? and for what? and if we can how do you do this?

also i was woundering if the posters on this board would be interested in creating a new servitor, anyone with a bit more experience in this interested?, i was thinking something along the lines of a magical amp, that would act like a catalist for other spells, would it work?

what do you think, i'm open to all suggestions, what would you like the servitor to do?
 
 
Naked Flame
17:33 / 10.12.01
Gek was created by impulsivelad to help fulfil a large number of publically stated wishes. Ze likes milk and cookies and feeds on success. Ze reads the board on a regular basis, so if you don't have psychic in-head broadband, just post your wishes in this forum...
 
 
The_Player
23:22 / 10.12.01
To create a group servitor/familiar that will amplificate our own magickal powers? Sounds like a lot of fun

I would participate in this. We'lll have to create his/her appearance, how it will be fed, how it will act etc...

Anyone more game?

Cass (thinking about a Servitor's name...)
 
 
Papess
00:10 / 11.12.01
OOOOOh Jimmy. YOU are a thinker! I like this idea! I am in. Any way at all I can help, just ask. Feel free to email me.
Have you checked out the Peace Mango thread? I think you would find it interesting. We ar charging it again on the 14th of December.

-May Tricks
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:07 / 11.12.01
Hey, I already have a personal servitor amp.(actually, this was the first servitor I ever did. Hi Win!) And he works great so I really don't need a new one. But it is a good idea and if you need help just ask.
 
 
the rake at the gates
13:01 / 12.12.01
ok this is just in the idea stage so far, as i've never actually made a servitor before.
so i was hoping someone with a bit more experience would organise this, i would be greatful for any ideas and specifics on how to do this, (looking in impulsivelads direction).
the only ideas i had was of maybye a butterfly to simblise the butterfly effect which is amplification of a small event into major power. and i also though about maybye calling it after a type of electronic amp, like orange(sorry i dont know many), maybye it could eat pizza, mmmm.....pizza
 
 
De Selby
13:35 / 12.12.01
sounds cool, although I think we should be a bit clearer on terms. When you say "catalyst for other spells" do you mean other group workings, or anything in general?

are we gonna give this one a cool name? can we? can we?!!

I like servitors, they're loyal little buggers.

ooh...hang on a sec, if we all contribute to its creation, doesn't that make an egregore?
 
 
The_Player
23:45 / 12.12.01
quote:Originally posted by jimmy jazz:
the only ideas i had was of maybye a butterfly to simblise the butterfly effect which is amplification of a small event into major power. and i also though about maybye calling it after a type of electronic amp, like orange(sorry i dont know many), maybye it could eat pizza, mmmm.....pizza


Loved the idea of the Butterfly. Take a look what I found in an old book (The Venice's Fable, by Hugo Pratt). I'm translating from Portuguese to English a text originally in Italian, so, please, be patient with my spelling errors:

"I remember that in the Secret Courtyard was a beautiful lady, always surrounded by children and teenagers that played around a Giant Butterfly, made from colored crystals. It was Aurelia, the Gnosthic Butterfly. The gnosis was represented like a never-ending source of wisdom, offeread in thousands of colored reflexes what everybody wants."

Here is a representation of her, by the author (the character by its side is Corto Maltese):



What do you think?

Cass
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:41 / 13.12.01
Ok jimmy, you need to create the software for your servitor. Like a sigil's statement of intent only a bit more, um, instructional. You're program could be something like, "This servitor will respond to the name Aurelia, is activated with an offering of pizza, and will amplify and direct all magical energy towards the specified target."
Now, draw this up into some sort of sigil and incase it in a Butterfly frame. This object (drawing, painting, sculpture) will be the base of your less than solid entity...a grounder. Keep it on a self, talk to it, play with it... if you destroy it the servitor is also destroyed. Don't know what else you'd need to know other than that? I think you've got it.

Good Luck
 
 
De Selby
05:35 / 13.12.01
I think this is probably thread rot, but...

how do you go about making a servitor in a group? I know the way I make servitors won't work in this group at least, because it'd require everyone in the same room working on it, but there must be a way right?

*nudging the more experienced board inhabitants*
 
 
The_Player
05:35 / 13.12.01
Jimmy and 'lithers:

I post the picture and the quotation from the Venice's Fable just to show the coincidence bettween an old jewish-italian divinity of wisdom and gnosis and your idea about a group familiar to amplificate our magickal doings (and I hope our wisdom to use it as well!). Her name could be other.

I think only the same central idea is what really matters.

And, about the pizza: taht will be nice. I thought about sometinhg more butterfly-like (a flower for her in each ritual/offering/meditation you want her help), but a piece of pizza will leave her a little more fun and less serious.

Cheers to you all,
Cass
 
 
Bear
05:35 / 13.12.01
impulsivelad - where did u get that butterfly idea from, I've never heard that one before..quite nice..

A group servitor is a nice idea, it could work in a tag team with Gek...

We'd have to come up with the talents for him/her, names etc. could be fun...
 
 
the rake at the gates
13:54 / 13.12.01
great ideas, i especially like the bit about the gnostic butterfly (cheers RnCassidy), what does everyone think of the name aurelia?
should it be a he or a she or a ze?, pizza was one idea for offerings, any others? what is the differnce between a servitor and a egergore?
alex gein, i was thinking about any spell you want to do, as a group or a individual, i think the more you use them the more they grow right?
can you make a servitor/egergore as a group without a material base? and if you cant would one of the really powerful experenced posters like to make it for the group?
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:20 / 13.12.01
if we all contribute to its creation, doesn't that make an egregore?

No, it makes it a group servitor. An egregore is like a collective, company, or message board that has a personality of it's own. Think Barbelith.

how do you go about making a servitor in a group? I know the way I make servitors won't work in this group at least, because it'd require everyone in the same room working on it, but there must be a way right?

Take the Peace Mango and Dabh Surgot for example, a bunch of people (with one or two directors) created it and then charged it. You don't have to be in the same room to share ideas.

can you make a servitor/egergore as a group without a material base?

Yeah. Gek doesn't have a material base..ze has an e-base...this board. You can also have a mental base, but a material one I think always works best (that's just me tho').

great questions! Um, shouldn't Da Wizard be answering them?
 
 
The_Player
23:04 / 13.12.01
quote:Originally posted by jimmy jazz:
great ideas, i especially like the bit about the gnostic butterfly (cheers RnCassidy), what does everyone think of the name aurelia?
should it be a he or a she or a ze?, pizza was one idea for offerings, any others?


I like the name Aurelia - but if we use this name, I think our familiar will be a she...

Pizza is fun! When I come to my room/altar do a offering to Gek, everybody just think I'm going to eat in bed... and now I will walk there with pieces of pizza...

I can paint and put effects over a draft using my Photoshop. If needed, just e-mail me your butterfly idea.

Cass (almost sleeping...)
 
 
Papess
00:36 / 14.12.01
quote:Originally posted by jimmy jazz:
the only ideas i had was of maybye a butterfly to simblise the butterfly effect which is amplification of a small event into major power. and i also though about maybye calling it after a type of electronic amp, like orange(sorry i dont know many), maybye it could eat pizza, mmmm.....pizza


Great ideas but I think I would do bettter with sushi, if we are debating menus here.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sushi!

-May

[ 14-12-2001: Message edited by: May Tricks ]
 
 
De Selby
05:38 / 14.12.01
quote: Take the Peace Mango and Dabh Surgot for example, a bunch of people (with one or two directors) created it and then charged it. You don't have to be in the same room to share ideas.

but isn't the peace mango a sigil? I dig what you're saying though.... I was just after a method, cos I can't think of a way for the ideas to be cohesive enough to get that level of power.
 
 
Ierne
13:31 / 14.12.01
I think the Peace Mango is a sigil as well, but some folks on the board think it's a servitor. I suspect the Peace Mango is flexible enough to handle both points of view, however!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:49 / 14.12.01
Personally I regard the Tranceducer sigil as the "physical" representation of the servitor. I do know it's not very bright yet (but then it doesn't need to be.)
 
 
Gek
18:31 / 14.12.01
Let's create our own Justice League Of Servitors eh??
 
 
the rake at the gates
18:52 / 14.12.01
okay to recap, so far as a rough draft we have a female servitor that works as an amp for magical energy, called Aurelia, who looks like a butterfly and eats pizza/sushi/flowers,
does anyone have any other ideas for this, we can change any aspect of this right, also from what i understand we need characteristics, and magical colours and numbers that are assosiated with the task (amplification). so get cracking.
now what from i hear they work best with a material base, so either someone has to make this, or could we all contribute to a group painting that we all then print off?? just an out there idea i had
 
 
The_Player
22:00 / 14.12.01
quote:Originally posted by City-zen Rex:
Let's create our own Justice League Of Servitors eh??


Why not? What about a Love-Justice-Peace League of Servitors?

About the sacrifice offeared to Her: I think it could be anything that we love to eat: pizzas (yhum...), sushi (argh!!), lasagna, gnochi, even flowers... but the bottom line is, this have to be something you love to eat, not just any regular food.

jimmy, I think you're the one that must draw Aurelia, since it's your (very good in-deed!) idea.

Cass
 
 
Seth
11:42 / 16.12.01
If you’re going to use a guitar amp as a model for the servitor, it might be helpful to work some of the characteristics of amplifiers into its programming. This will make it more flexible, as it cane be fine tuned for specific tasks.

For example, have you considered the possibility of magickal feedback? This occurs in guitar amps when the amplified signal is picked up by the sound source, forming a loop (you’ll have heard this live and on records as a loud whining sound). You may be especially susceptible to this if you increase the power. It may produce unwanted unpleasant effects or overkill in your workings (or if you have more of a punk ethos, those effects may be desirable).

Feedback can be avoided by limiting the power of the amp, or eliminating certain frequencies, or being careful about the location in which the music is being played. These may have magickal parallels: for example, working in a specific location may well increase the power of what you’re doing naturally (i.e.; a ley line). Virtually all amps come with a graphic equaliser of some sort, so that the performance of the amp can be tailored to the acoustic performance of the location (along with other reasons: certain equalisation specifications are a requirement in different kinds of music, so a flexible servitor design may allow you to fine tune the signal for the type of methodology you’re using).

Then you have considerations like effects (i.e.; reverb, distortion, delay, etc). You may find these all have powerful magickal parallels (for example, imagine casting an amplified spell with a delay effect in place, so that the spell is automatically recast at certain time intervals, in exactly the same way as the caster originally specified, but without the need for the hir to be present. Or imagine adding reverb if you were blessing a geographical area, the working automatically gaining characteristics that facilitate it filling the region).

What would I recommend doing? I’d go for a servitor version of the Line Guitar POD. This piece of kit can digitally sound model a wide variety of amps, so that you can use their “sound” without having a different servitor for each different type of working (it’s fully customisable). It also has a good many guitar effects, and the facility to download “sounds” from the Internet. This would be wicked if you were making it a group servitor, because if you want to duplicate someone’s setting for a particular working, you dont have to spend ages calibrating the amp in order to mimick the effect - you can just ask their permission and download their settings. This way people who are inexperienced with using the servitor have access to advanced settings creatd by some of the best mages involved.

This has the capacity to be a very powerful and unique tool. I hope some of this helps: I know practically nothing about magick, but a fair bit about guitars!
 
 
Warewullf
20:24 / 16.12.01
Hey guys. I'm loving this idea! (but i must admit that I've never had any success with sevitors!)

Anyhoo, as a phsyical base, I was thinking that it might be better if everyone use the same base? I found this Origami Butterfly that I thought might do the job. Maybe we could print the servitor's sigil in a piece of paper and then create this butterfly out of it.

A neat way of combining programming and physical base?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:32 / 16.12.01
I'm in. How can I help?
 
 
the rake at the gates
20:52 / 16.12.01
ok we still need,
to decide on a offering,
characteristics (im thinking generous ),
any other magic stuff to add, colours, numbers, etc
work out a rough program,
decide who is going to make and/or charge it, (do you need to?)

also, do we have to worry about magical feedback?, implusivelad, you said you made an amp servitor, what was the instructions you put into it, be as specific as possible please. also do you have to charge a servitor?
thanks for all the help
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:14 / 17.12.01
I know- why not devise a ritual around folding the origami butterfly? It's complex enough to act as a nice attention focus. We could use paper with the sigil on it, and then either keep the paper butterflies around the house (lots of butterflies would make a pretty mobile), or maybe float them down rivers, or scatter them off tall buildings on breezy days- that way we could also be seeding the sigil across lots of minds.
 
 
Tamayyurt
09:14 / 17.12.01
I like the origami butterfly idea! and I like thought of "launching" a bunch of butterfly sigils off'a building (although isn't that littering?)

My amp servitor is simple. It acts like a magnifying glass. When I'm looking at something magical/astral it makes it bigger, clearer, easier to see and when I'm projecting my will it intensifies it and focusses it like a laser. I haven't had any problems with feedback or distortion, but the tool/model I was working with is less technical (a magnifying glass as opposed to an amplifier.)

[ 17-12-2001: Message edited by: impulsivelad ]
 
 
Papess
09:14 / 17.12.01
Origami Butterflys! How beautiful!
Don't butterflies like sugary, sweet stuff?
If we need one, I have an idea for a sigil. (Figures I would, please pardon my obsession). If Jimmy doesn't mind, I will do it up and post it. If you already have an idea, or if the origami thing doesn't require one, please ignore this!

-May

[ 17-12-2001: Message edited by: May Tricks ]
 
 
Seth
09:14 / 17.12.01
I think you may have missed what my post was driving at: feedback and distortion aren't problems, they're options depending on what you're trying to acheive.

Tony Iommi: Shit man. My guitar sounds fookin' awful.

Ozzy: Fook it. Let's fookin' rock.
 
 
De Selby
15:18 / 17.12.01
I'm loving this origami idea. Putting the sigil on a piece of paper, and then making an origami butterfly out of it? Fucking brilliant. With the paper left over, maybe some of us can have a go at that time machine?

I reckon we go for the biggest loudest noisiest fucking amp anyone has ever made. Cos we don't want to make small sound, we want to make a roar that makes everything reverberate to its frequency.

but then, I've always like noisy shit so ignore me.
 
 
the rake at the gates
22:31 / 17.12.01
sorry i didn't understand what you were getting at, electronics and amps are not my strong point, but i did like this bit

imagine casting an amplified spell with a delay effect in place, so that the spell is automatically recast at certain time intervals, in exactly the same way as the caster originally specified, but without the need for the hir to be present

maybye we could incorporate this into the servitor?

i also like the idea of everyone downloading a pattern of the servitor origami butterfly and creating their own, would this make it a viral servitor, and would this effect the power?

maybe the act of creating a butterfly would be the offering, like spreading the virus? one butterfly for every spell, like the folk legend that if you fold a thousand cranes you get a wish

just a few ideas to chew over
 
 
The_Player
22:58 / 17.12.01
quote:Originally posted by jimmy jazz:
sorry i didn't understand what you were getting at, electronics and amps are not my strong point, but i did like this bit

imagine casting an amplified spell with a delay effect in place, so that the spell is automatically recast at certain time intervals, in exactly the same way as the caster originally specified, but without the need for the hir to be present

maybye we could incorporate this into the servitor?


Loved all the ideas! I'm not very good (at all) in electronic composition, but this seems to be very interesting...

... and means, too, that we'll have to be VERY careful. Imagine you want to make _just_ a wind and end with a hurricane...

Will Aurelia have some day/time for offerings? Or just when want to use her along with a magick?

Cass [soon... The Player]
 
 
Papess
00:02 / 18.12.01
I am taking the liberty of posting a URL where I have some sigils. Please take a gander and let me know if they are useful to this working. If not....I'm cool!

-May Tricks
 
 
Tamayyurt
03:01 / 18.12.01
Whoa, very nice. I like the first two...the last one doesn't really look like a butterfly. The First one looks the coolest but I think you're right...for it to go viral it needs to be easily copied.

So my vote's for #3

[ 18-12-2001: Message edited by: impulsivelad ]
 
  

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