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Harry Potter Book Six

 
  

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Cat Chant
10:41 / 31.08.04
Grant - none of the Gryffindors are Gryffindors except maybe Ron. Hermione is clearly a Ravenclaw, for example. I have no idea why Rowling, having decided that Harry needed a clever friend, a loyal sidekick friend, and an enemy, then put him in a school with a Boy Who Lived house, a Clever house, a Loyal Sidekick house, and an Evil House, and put all three of the good guys in one house and the enemy in the Evil House. It makes no sense. So at least it's consistent with the rest of the universe.

Hawksmoor:

..those of you who are making comments about how evil Snape is and how he'll one day turn back to the side of evil, or how his digust and hatred for Harry wil eventually corrupt him have yet to consider one thing, above all others....

No-one has made any such comment, or anything remotely approaching it. Are you cross-posting this from another context?
 
 
grant
17:17 / 31.08.04
I think in my interior Potterverse, Hermione was smart enough to get into Gryffindor by either tricking or out-debating the Sorting Hat. Not exactly gaming the system, but cramming for it. Harry could've gone any way himself, I think, based on what I remember of the Hat's inner dialogue.

I wonder if in this book we'll finally see Harry get a friend from Slytherin. Based on your comment, I'm definitely getting a picture now of a final battle in which Harry is general and his three lieutenants are all put over the house that matches their temperaments best.
 
 
Andromedus
22:42 / 04.09.04
I think the setup for the main cast in the stories is as follows:
as they portray the characteristics of each house

Harry - Gryffindor - totally standing up to every challenge
Ronald - Hufflepuff - let´s face it he´s a bit of a duffer
Hermione - Ravenclaw - clever as can be
 
 
Cat Chant
10:25 / 05.09.04
Then why are they all in Gryffindor? That's my question. I wish I thought Rowling was doing something clever about how the House system is completely arbitrary and stupid and bears no relation to the inner being of anyone, but even if she is, fifty zillion words later is too late for a reversal to work. (The same goes for Dumblemort, by the way.)
 
 
Chiropteran
19:21 / 17.09.04
Well, as for Hermione being in Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw, Rowling draws attention to it explicitly in OotP, and Hermione says that the Hat "did seriously consider putting [her] in Ravenclaw...but it decided on Gryffindor in the end."

The Hat also tried to put Harry in Slytherin, and we are reminded of that throughout GoF - jut so's we don't forget.

I think that she definitely does have something in mind for why each character is where they are - that doesn't mean that it will be brilliant, mind, but I don't think it's accidental.

~L
 
 
Jack Fear
11:19 / 18.09.04
Perhaps because the Hat knows (as evidenced by its song in OotP) that the time is coming when the Houses will have to work together as never before, and is purposely increasing heterogeneity within the houses to facilitate the eventual reckoning? Planting "ringers" in each House who will eventually act as bridges between Houses—in Gryffindor's case, Hermione as a liaison to Ravenclaw, Neville to Hufflepuff, Harry to Slytherin?

Of course, this would depend upon there being ringers in all the other Houses as well, and we've seen scant evidence of that so far... though that's never stopped JKR before—there's been quite a bit of backstory that she's just pulled out of her arse when it became crucial to the main story...

It's fun to theorize, anyway.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:13 / 20.09.04
Oh come on, either you're not reading these books at all or you've completely forgotten what it was like to be 10. These are childrens books, what do children want above anything else? Choice. Children aren't even allowed to choose what to eat for dinner and the Sorting Hat gives you the ultimate (adventure) choice between courage, intelligence, cunning and loyalty. So it's no surprise that people want to have exactly what they don't possess. So a natural Slytherin, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff all choose to be Gryffindors for different reasons (but mostly because all three want to stop feeling inferior).
 
 
Cat Chant
10:06 / 21.09.04
either you're not reading these books at all or you've completely forgotten what it was like to be 10

Rowling is 10? Well, that explains a lot.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:40 / 21.09.04
Someone should phone Philip Pullman and tell him he's putting far too much effort into his books... "Dude! The kids reading these books are only going to be thirteen!"
 
 
grant
14:56 / 22.09.04
Of course, this would depend upon there being ringers in all the other Houses as well, and we've seen scant evidence of that so far

Actually... I seem to recall some Gryffindor-ish Hufflepuffs. Ernie McMillan? Not sure.

I'm not sure the houses are meant to be as absolute as all that. The older students are dating across house lines, Potter's fling with Chang being the junior version of that. Did one of the older Weasleys' Gryffindor friends marry a Ravenclaw?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:45 / 21.12.04
Book six finished, publication date announced today. But not in this report. Hopefully it'll be before the Easter holidays rather than at the start of the Summer holidays AGAIN...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
10:30 / 21.12.04
It drops 16-7 which gives me 7 months to leave the country before all conversation is reduced to insufferable gobshite.

I'm pleading with you here. I appreciate that you may have a strong affinity for these books but it isn't an excuse to blather about them for every mindnumbing second of every tedious day until I want to chew off my own fingers and cram them in my ears to block out the noise. And if it turns out to be the best thing you've ever read then you deserve to be shot for the good of the rest of humanity.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:30 / 21.12.04
Also seven months for you to work on getting the fuck over yourself.

No one is clamping your eyes open Clockwork Orange-stylee and forcing you to read these threads. And they are all clearly labelled, thus making them easy to avoid if such is your desire.

Honestly, I don't see what your problem is here.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
12:23 / 22.12.04
Now if only the inventor of the sarcasm mark could come up with something that would let you know that you're about to walk into some gobshite conversation about Harry Potter.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:52 / 22.12.04
Well, a thread called "Harry Potter Book Six" is usually a decent danger sign regarding whether or not Harry Potter is likely to be discussed. You're trolling the thread, dude. If you have something to say about the books, do so. If you want to complain about how stupid everyone who doesn't like things you like is, there's a Conversation pretty much designed for it...
 
 
sine
04:35 / 04.01.05
Hmm. I would have gone for Harry Potter and the End of Trees myself.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:39 / 04.01.05
Harry Potter and You're Going to Casualty Were You to Reach for Something and Cause a Shelf to Become Unbalanced Thereby Dropping This Book Onto Your Head perhaps?
 
 
betty woo
20:05 / 05.01.05
Pointless: I highly recommend making yourself a button that reads "Don't Talk To Me About Harry Potter". I have one for Reality TV that works wonders.

Sorting Hat: I get the feeling that it doesn't choose what the children are best at already, but what they most aspire to be. The twist introduced in Book 5 (?) that it could have been Neville who filled the role of the Boy Who Lived indicates to me that Rowling doesn't necessarily want to promote the idea that certain people are destined for certain lives, which would be more the case if the Hat just plonked kids into houses based on abilities. While none of the children are perfect examples of their house, they each try to live up to its core values as best they can (Neville standing up to his friends at the end of Book 1 being a lovely example of that). It also helps explain why all the Weasleys wind up in Gryffindor, since those are the values their parents raised them with, even though Percy would probably have been better off in Slytherin.

And yes, I'm a bit soft on Neville, in case you haven't figured it out.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:55 / 05.01.05
Someone should phone up Philp Pullman and tell him he's putting far much effort into his books

The mind literally boggles.*








* Yes, it really did me three and half months to think of that gag.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:29 / 08.03.05
The Beat has a peek at the jacket art here.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:03 / 08.03.05


Apparently, Rowling is pushing for her books to be ancient forest friendly, which is either a bold stand from somebody whose clout might make a real difference or the bare minimum, depending, I suppose, on how much you like Hagrid.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
07:58 / 09.03.05
672 pages, I see. Not too much editing going on there then...
 
 
Bear
11:10 / 09.03.05
Was just reading the news and saw that they have all three covers up on the newsround website -
Potboy
 
 
Bear
11:12 / 09.03.05
Not that I read the newsround website before some smart arse says something. I get all my news from The Sun thank you very much.

I quite like the look of the adult version.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
11:22 / 09.03.05
you guys are lucky in the UK. why are the US covers so goddamn ugly?
 
 
Jack Fear
11:32 / 09.03.05
672 pages, I see. Not too much editing going on there then...

Given that the previous book, Order of the Phoenix, was well over 800—and a shambling, shapeless mess at that—I actually take some hope from that page count.

Rowling's stuff is always going to be sli-i-i-ightly too long—it's part and parcel of the immersive experience she's after, and that the kids love so much—but I honestly feared that the books were going to continue getting longer and sloppier up til the end. I think that after writing Order, with the end of the story in sight, she's turned a corner and rediscovered the idea of momentum.

I think when you're working on something of this scale, there's a tenmdency to hit a wall somewhere towards the middle. Some writers stop dead and never finish their big sagas. But some, before they muster themselves to write through the wall, try instinctively to write around it. They bog down in the details, moving laterally until they find their way forward again.

It's a form of writer's block: storyteller's block, I guess you could call it, since you keep writing—but the writing doesn't actually move the story along.

In Michael Chabon's Wonder Boys, for instance, the lead character is thousands of pages into an unfinished and unfinishable novel, stuck deep in the mud, but keeps plowing deeper—writing hundreds of pages of genealogies of the characters' stable of horses, for instance. That struck me as very true-to-life.

In the real world, a similar thing happened with Stephen King's Dark Tower books. The fourth in the series (Wizard and Glass) was the longest, arguably the most ambitious, certainly the worst-written of the lot. Once he'd passed this huge, indigestible lump, though, the remaining books in the series were increasingly swift, involving, and self-assured. Here's hoping the same holds for La Rowling.
 
 
Baz Auckland
17:44 / 09.03.05
The Harry Potter books in Canada (from Raincoast Books), are all ancient-forest friendly... the downside being that we don't get the illustrations and variety of fonts that everyone else gets...
 
 
Shrug
18:43 / 28.03.05
Before reading Book 5 I would have considered the Half-Blood Prince to be a new foreign exchange that the book centred on.
(like a kind of Malory Towers deal),
And it still might be a good double bluff even book 5 but it kind of has to be an existing character doesn't it.
Eh should be out soon anyway.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:32 / 01.04.05
What? I wish someone would invent Babblefish to translate that in to English.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:55 / 01.04.05
Foreign exchange student, I think.
 
 
Shrug
10:04 / 09.04.05
Snarf? Sorry china for groteseque being Fall-up incomprehensible Wiggums.
Yeah I meant foreign exchange student.
 
 
Cat Chant
03:20 / 13.04.05
and that the kids love so much

According to someone who's actually done the research (Suman Gupta, who wrote Re-Reading Harry Potter), each book is being read by proportionally fewer and fewer children (I can't remember the figures, but like 80% of the readers of Philosopher's Stone were kids and 80% of the readers of Penix were adults), so it looks like it's actually the adults - or the imaginary children to whom adult readers love to appeal ("Of course there are plot holes and racism! That's what the kids like!") - who like the books to be longer. Though I agree that 672 pages is going to be, well, nearly 200 pages less painful than the last one, so that's good. And after this, only one more book to go, and then people will have to stop telling me that the last book will retrospectively and suddenly make the previous six good. So that's also a reason for happiness.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:24 / 13.04.05
I'd be interested in Gupta's methodology, because frankly those sorts of figures seem to me to be ultimately unknowable. Books are portable, and readers exist within social networks—how can you say with any accuracy who's actually reading a given physical book once it has been bought?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:43 / 24.05.05
Betting patterns point to suggestion that book six may have leaked early? Don't read if you don't want to know who is topping the list of possible 'corkee's...
 
 
Cat Chant
21:35 / 26.05.05
Oh, Flowers, you can't imagine how happy that makes me. [crosses fingers and prays] pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease....

Jack - I don't know how Gupta knows. I'll fish the book out at some point and see what he says, but I really don't think the overall sociological readership of a book is any more 'unknowable' than any other sociological fact - you can't track the path of every beautiful individual snowflake that falls Brownianly to the ground, but you can measure how deep the snow is.
 
  

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