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Harry Potter Book Six

 
  

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Multiple Man
13:49 / 29.06.04
According to JK Rowling's Site the title for the next book will be Half Blood Prince. Also, according to a friend who has a computer that can cope with flash sites much better than i can, the title does not refer to Harry or Voldemort.

Let the speculation begin!
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:08 / 29.06.04
I have moved to delete the other topic - please respond in this one...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:16 / 29.06.04
There's no need to go to the /en site actually... see this story for more details, but the title is actually Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:56 / 29.06.04
Then who the hell is the half blood Prince? Any guesses? Will she ever stop being so intent on menfolk?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:30 / 29.06.04
Oh, bloody hell. It's another red sweater, isn't it? Half-blood prince turns up, looks liuke he's going to fulfil the prophecies, Hermione fancies him, GETS KILLED FOR DARING TO MESS WITH POTTER'S IMPORTANCE!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:06 / 29.06.04
Have there been any half-blood propecies thus far? Were Hermione's parents both Muggles? According to the BBC she'd originally considered it as the title for book 2, which makes me think it's not going to advance the story much further but could fill in more details on Tom Riddler's path. Was he at Hogwarts a long time before or at the same time as Snape, Lupin (oooh, Lupin!) and Harry's parents?
 
 
Jack Fear
16:27 / 29.06.04
Riddle was at Hogwarts 50 years ago, or about thirty years before Snape, Lily, & the Marauders.

And both Hermione's parents are Muggles, yes.

You're all forgetting something: in Book 2, another character is revealed to be a half-breed...

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...Hagrid. Half-human (well, human wizard) and half-giant.

I reckon it's gotta be Hagrid, and that he's gonna end up Prince of the Giants.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:28 / 29.06.04
That would be so ill. Then we've definitely got a hard core Battle Of Gondor lined up for Book 7, with Giants on the good side.

AWESOME.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:31 / 29.06.04
Which would, regrettably, be written as flat and boring as the Quidditch matches.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:41 / 29.06.04
The Hagrid idea makes sense, I wonder why that was going to be the title to book two, perhaps there was going to be even more about Hagrid's relationship with Dumbledore and Riddler perhaps...

So, perhaps we wait three years for a 1500 page book where Voldemort does very little for another year while Harry, Ron and Hermione go to the land of the Giants with Hagrid and JK Rowling talks about how killing off someone (it'll be Ron's Mum this time I reckon) brought her out in stress leprosy.
 
 
osymandus
17:41 / 29.06.04
Cor now that's going to be an intresting battle to write. 30 foot giants raining down boulders on little wee nasty wizards who are fighting good wizards at the same time !

Damn I like the sound of that, imagine that in a film
 
 
nedrichards is confused
10:45 / 30.06.04
re: book 7 "What have we got left to hold on to Ron?"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:15 / 30.06.04
Share the load, master Harry.

Shhhhhaaarrrreeeee thheeeeeeee looooaaaaaaadd....

I think the "imagine how that would look on film" above sums up my profound ambivalence to this idea. It sounds like something that will be excruciatingly dull and badly-executed in the book, but then be pepped-up and CGIed for the movie. In essence, it's writing for the films. On the bright side, we've seen that a good director can take something as godawful and tedious as a quidditch match and make it an interesting cinematic moment (Chris Columbus take note), so that's something.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:27 / 30.06.04
a popular theory is that it's Mark Evans, the 10 year old boy Dudley and his gang beat up in the first chapter of Book 5. the reason being is that it's so typical of Rowling to idly mention someone, then make them more important later on... the boy probably wouldn't have had a name if he wasn't going to be coming back.

Also, by the time of book 6, he will be 11, and could potentially be starting at Hogwarts as a first year.

Other ideas: Snape (Rowling has said we will learn more about him in 6+7, and it would just a kick in the pants if he turned out to be not pureblood).

However, now that I hear the theory about Hagrid and how the plot of book 6 could maybe be about him going home to find the giants... and turning into their prince... it's makes sense. Sounds kind of boring, but makes sense.
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:39 / 30.06.04
Kill Harry.
 
 
Ex
14:15 / 30.06.04
So more discussions of 'pure' and 'half-blood' prejudice among wizards and giants, the possible emancipation of the instinctively servile house-elves - anyone get the feeling that this book is going to be a serious of vast, clunky metaphors about race and despite/because of that still have no major non-white characters?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:03 / 30.06.04
perhaps there was going to be even more about Hagrid's relationship with Dumbledore and Riddler perhaps...

Urrrggghhhh, that is so gross.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:46 / 01.07.04
I wonder if Hermione's incredibly crap 'liberate the House Elves' thing is going to go anywhere? The speciesphobia is so virulent in Rowling's books that I wonder what kind of knock-on effect it has on other prejudices, if Harry were to come out as gay I suspect even Dumbledore would be lining up to stone him.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:56 / 01.07.04
But Dumbleydore is down with the House Elves. I'm sure he likes the gays too.

The point about the wizardy world is that it's basically extremely archaic. They use steam trains for god's sake with those old uncomfortable seats and they ride broomsticks. With that old fashioned quaintness comes a certain amount of intolerance. If they would just update their technology and start wearing comfortable, utility driven clothing that equalised them wrt status, some of that racism would die out.
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:50 / 01.07.04
That's a good point. A society that relies so heavily on magick has very little need to advance technologically. And technological change is usually followed by social change. The Wizard world never had an Industrial Revolution... I think it would be cool if something happened in the books that rocked the world they're living in. A new Revolution... The Techno-Occult.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:33 / 01.07.04
Back when Your-Know-Who was defeated, there's a gap of at least a day, maybe slightly more, between his defeat and Dumbledore bringing baby Harry to the Dursleys. What's he doing in that time? Does it take him twenty-four hours to think "bugger this, I can't change a nappy and his incessent crying is ruing my cool 'not concerned by anything' appearence, I'll send the little bastard to his aunt"? Is there twenty-four hours of baby Harry in a crib upstairs at the Leaky Cauldron or the Mended Drum or whatever it's called while Hagrid and Dumbledore get pissed downstairs celebrating Voldemort's overthrow?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
03:31 / 02.07.04
more theory fuel:

mark evans: 10 year old boy in harry's muggle town. Well, adding to this is that Lily and Petunia's (harry's mother and aunt, respectively) bear the maiden name of Evans. this kid could be harry's cousin.

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theory going around that godric griffindor could have been a half-blood and this is what resulted in the big rivalry with salazar slytherin. harry uses godric's sword in chamber of secrets, and this is where the founders are explained. rowling says that book 2 has some crucial bits of information that relate to the end of the series and this book in particular.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:23 / 02.07.04
The Hagrid thing sounds most plausible...

...but yeah, as has already been pointed out, it'll probably be someone either new or thus far unimportant who'll either be dead or fuck off by the end of the book, thus saving us from any (God forbid!) actual plot development.

I'm still angry by the fact that the "major revelation" contained in Order of the Phoenix was that either Harry or Voldemort has to die at the end. I kind of thought that was a given, y'know?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:21 / 02.07.04
Just as I was annoyed that you have to wait for the entire freaking book to get to the scene you're teased with on the back cover, meaning that after waiting for the new book so long you effectively will have to wait for the NEXT book to see what effect this has on Harry.
 
 
wicker woman
04:35 / 08.07.04
Back when Your-Know-Who was defeated, there's a gap of at least a day, maybe slightly more, between his defeat and Dumbledore bringing baby Harry to the Dursleys. What's he doing in that time? Does it take him twenty-four hours to think "bugger this, I can't change a nappy and his incessent crying is ruing my cool 'not concerned by anything' appearence, I'll send the little bastard to his aunt"? Is there twenty-four hours of baby Harry in a crib upstairs at the Leaky Cauldron or the Mended Drum or whatever it's called while Hagrid and Dumbledore get pissed downstairs celebrating Voldemort's overthrow?

No there wasn't... Hagrid borrows Sirius' flying motorcycle shortly after Voldemort's attack/defeat at the Potter household, snags Harry up, and meets Dumbledore and McGonnagal at the Dursley's. That is, at least if the geeky "Kirk climbed up ladder 32 in the 2nd episode!" part of my brain is functioning properly.

I've read also that Rowling is going to spill the beans as to why Dumbledore trusts Snape so much, and also what Dudley saw when the Dementor attacked him.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:16 / 11.07.04
MC 900ft Bjork No there wasn't... Hagrid borrows Sirius' flying motorcycle shortly after Voldemort's attack/defeat at the Potter household, snags Harry up, and meets Dumbledore and McGonnagal at the Dursley's. That is, at least if the geeky "Kirk climbed up ladder 32 in the 2nd episode!" part of my brain is functioning properly.

But Uncle Vernon spends the entire day being grumpy because there's weirdos walking around outside his place of work, celebrating Voldemort's defeat, and when McGonnagal and Dumbledore are waiting for Hagrid to arrive it's made clear that Voldemort was defeated at least a day ago. I've just checked it. There doesn't seem to be any concern on McGonnagal's part along the lines of "should it really take Hagrid 24 hours to get from the Potter's house in (mumblemumblemumble) to here?" so where has Harry been?
 
 
grant
20:23 / 12.07.04
Lying alone in the ruins of his house, crying, wondering why his parents don't answer.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:17 / 13.07.04
I've read also that Rowling is going to spill the beans as to why Dumbledore trusts Snape so much

Well she better make it good because if she fucks Snape up I'm going round to her next book signing and I'm going to incendio her robes.
 
 
grant
19:04 / 14.07.04
I'm loving the idea of Snape being some sort of wholly owned subsidiary of Dumbledore Mind Control, Incorporated, but I think it's more likely that Voldemort and the Death Eaters started picking on him just as bad as Potter and Black did, and Dumbledore offered him a better deal at just the right time.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:47 / 15.07.04
I wonder if it'll tie in to whatever Harry's Dad did to save his life. I can see Snape perhaps flirting with the dark side not so much because he feels he's evil but because I can see James and Lilly signing up fairly early with the Army of Light only to realise that it's more important than that now because there's some moral relativism in the Potterverse and he's not evil enough for Voldemort. He gets in trouble (though not with Voldemort, Malfoy or any Death Eaters still around that could identify him) and Potter senior saves him and Dumbledore gives him the chance to redeem himself.
 
 
Cat Chant
13:09 / 15.07.04
How can there be a prince? I thought I'd read the books pretty attentively for information about the political structures of the wizarding world (for fanfic purposes), and at no point has a monarch been mentioned. Or am I missing something? Is Snape's Dark Mark really the birthmark that identifies him as the missing heir?
 
 
Cat Chant
13:15 / 15.07.04
whatever Harry's Dad did to save his life

Is there a mystery about that? I thought it was just saving him from Sirius Black's murder attempt, as explained in Azkaban - was there a second life-saving incident?
 
 
Hawksmoor
20:40 / 29.08.04
About Snape.....


..those of you who are making comments about how evil Snape is and how he'll one day turn back to the side of evil, or how his digust and hatred for Harry wil eventually corrupt him have yet to consider one thing, above all others....

Rowling is very well known and very, very good at two things as far as her stories go, and those things are exploring racism/bigoted thoughtpatterns and the reasons behind it, and allowing her readers and characters to perhaps understand that true redemption is beyond no one, as long as they're trying and really want to become redeemed.

Snape may've once been a DeathEater, but i don't think he was by any means as evil as, say Lucious Malfoy or Belletrix Lestrange, who comes off as one supremely evil bitch. Snape may have gone over to the dark side, but he came back to Dumbeldore for some reason, and i happen to think that this reason was pretty good and will be very valid when concerning Snape's overrall charcter and personality sometime between now and the release of the last novel. For those of you who make it your business to kep up with Rowling's interviews, you'll remember that she said certain things of great importance are touched upon in the films, even if a few larger parts of the novel's storyline are left out. In the POA, when Lupin becomes the werewolf beneath the light of the moon, you may've not noticed that Snape jumped before the students, even Harry, to protect them as best he could. The scene with him poised before the three of them with his arms spread to either side before them as they stood behind him comes to mind whenever i think of true villainy in the Potter novels. He flew into this action as though it was second nature, even at great risk to his own life. Is this the action of one who is truly evil? I don't think so. He could've allowed the kids to be killed by Were-Lupin and lied about it when it came up. But he saved them. This isn't the only time that Snape has come to Harry's rescue, saving him from certain death. He agreed to teach Harry Occluemency. (Or however it's spelled) In OTPhoenix, he tried to stop Harry inadvertently telling Umbridge of Sirius's postion and danger at the DOMysteries..which might've made her aware of the Order's Activities...to me it seems that he didn't want her to know that certain things were going on right under her nose, including the existance of Dumbeldore's army....it seems as if he tried to stop Harry being let out of Umbridge's sight, thereby allowing him to go and try to save Sirius on his own, possibly killing himself and a few other students as well. In SS, he tries throughout the entire book to stop Quirrell before he can bring Voldemort to full power with the stone. Think of how Rowling writes, how she's written the series so far, and then think of where she's most likely to take the remainder of the story. I think Snape will be revealed to be a true hero in the end of things. Hey, he may not be perfect, but then what intersting antagonists are? He may be a bit of an ass to Harry and other students, but in the end, it's his actions that really matter. He's come off as a complete jerk even as he stays at Hogwarts beneath Dumbeldore to do things that put him squarely on the side of good. Look at an obvious parellel of this situation...Umbridge comes off as a law abiding official of the MOM, but the whole time she's at Hogwarts, she's doing evil things beneath the guise of doing good. Does that make sense? I think it does. Snape may be a jerk, but sometimes, even jerks don't look so bad alongside total evil.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:49 / 30.08.04
As someone relatively new to Potter books (I've just finished the 5th one) I'd agree about Snape. He is the best character in the books so far, and spends a large amount of time trying to teach Harry how to control his temper, trying to keep him from harm etc. There is only one book (can't remember exactly which one, as I've just read them all really close together) where he seems intent on getting Potter Expelled, but since then he has done everything to help him. Harry actually comes across as the bigger prick of the two. Also in book 4 Voldemolt, when talking about the Death Eaters mentions one of his DE's who has turned his back for good and who will be punished with death, someone who is so obviously Snape. Also the half-blood prince, the Hagrid thing is quite good, but the giants only seemed to have a clan leader, with no real structure beneath this - unless Grawp or whatever his name is defeats the current king of the Giants, thereby making Hagrid a kind of prince.

As the books go on, I find that I'm more interested in Snape and Neville than Harry.
 
 
grant
17:38 / 30.08.04
Neville interests the hell out of me, and always has because he's in Griffindor. And is played like a Hufflepuff, right? The average ones who soldier on persistently?

I also think some of the wizarding families had titles, didn't they? On Sirius Black's family tree? I might be misremembering, but if so, then there's a trace of a feudal hierarchy which (more than likely) had commoners on end and kings on the other. Which would mean the prince could be someone new.

If Rowling's any kind of writer (and I think she is), there'll be more than one prince depending on your interpretation. Like a literal one and a more metaphorical one.
 
  

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