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Excalibur #2

 
  

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A
14:28 / 20.06.04
Come on. This is how corporate superhero comics work, kids. We all knew Marvel would have some hack bring Magneto back using whatever ridiculous explanation they could that would make it technically fit within continuity.

If you're a longtime X-Men reader, and you see the whole thing as one big story, then this might suck for you, but almost all of us were only reading it because Grant Morrison was writing it, and, to us, this doesn't affect his run on the title at all.
 
 
The Falcon
14:43 / 20.06.04
Yes. I think we should all stop paying any attention to tertiary x-titles (that is to say, not Astonishing,) as of now, peeps.

It's the only way they'll learn.
 
 
TroyJ15
14:03 / 21.06.04
Matthew---

I think it's important to note the intent of Morrison killing off Magneto and bringing him back and killing him off again. In doing so, Morrison gave us a nice surprise twist and addressed alot of unsaid things about the character bringing it to the forefront!

Claremont on the other hand is just throwing something out there, with what seems like not much thought. Again it could be the Claremont is toying with the concept that Magneto is Weapon 16. But we will see.
 
 
TroyJ15
14:04 / 21.06.04
"to bother with the whys and wherefores seems like a waste of energy better spent enjoying the books that ARE good"

Good point. That's the approach I'm taking from here on out. I had to do with Spider-Man and now I have to do it with this.
 
 
The Science Dad
16:18 / 21.06.04
What's really going on is a huge bet between Claremont (on Excalibur) and Byrne (on Doom Patrol) to see who can pull off the most ridiculous retcon before they get cancelled by TPTB. Points are awarded for the number of lame mono-dimensional teen 'heroes' which they manage to shoehorn into their respective books and there are special prizes if either Prof X or The Chief come out of the closet.
 
 
Simplist
16:28 / 21.06.04
Wouldn't it be freaking great if in issue twelve Claremont revealed that this new Magneto is the impostor? With the real one presumed dead after Genosha, this faker contacted Charles and conned him into a long-term secret collaboration. Meanwhile the real Mags was of course living in the Mansion, teaching the special class. The current impostor was as surprised as anyone when Xorn's helmet came off...

I know, I know, but I can dream, can't I?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:37 / 21.06.04
That would be a fun plot. But you're dreaming. Hey, whenever I'm temptedt to get frustrated about how much CC sucks, I think of this: http://moonandserpent.livejournal.com/166978.html

And everything falls back into perspective.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:29 / 21.06.04
Claremont does not suck. His original run on the series is still excellent, and his current issues with Alan Davis on Uncanny have been pretty solid.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
07:48 / 22.06.04
Best that could come of this is an UXM rip-off: Magneto did do all that stuff, and now he's mind-wiped. Kind of like Cassie, which would fit the "mutant justice" theme.

Christ though, this is still fucking terrible.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
07:50 / 22.06.04
Oh, and I'm sorry Matthew, but Claremont does indeed suck. This is -3,000,000,000,000
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
17:41 / 22.06.04
I'm with the Radiator on this one. I used to love me some Claremont... but that was years and years ago. He seems to have been replaced by a slightly kinkier john byrne in recent years.
 
 
Simplist
16:53 / 23.06.04
Claremont was good within the timeframe he was suited for, namely the late 70s through the mid-80s. I really enjoyed reading the Essentials volumes of his early X-work, but of course I read them with the understanding that I was reading comics from back before comic writers were expected to be, you know, actual good writers in addition to wacky plotters and idea generators. With that context in mind (ie. sucky writing was de rigueur in comics prior to the late 80s) the unintentionally funny dialogue becomes half the entertainment. Without it, they really don't hold up. And modern comics written in that outdated style really don't hold up.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:09 / 24.06.04
OK, so whoever read #2 -- how is Mags alive after having been beheaded? And why is he all sane and peaceful and "Charles, my old friend, let's have coffee and talk about how to peaceably make the world a better place for mutants" now after being crazy on Kick for a while? Was his Grant Morrison-written rampage *entirely* Kick/Sublime-motivated?

And I thought Marvel wanted Mags not only back, but evil, in time for X3. I guess they've got a lot of time for that....
 
 
ciarconn
14:51 / 24.06.04
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Well it´s not really, clearly explained. But it is sugested that another mutant posed as magneto posing as Xorn. Magneto never left Genosha, and doesn´t know how he survived the sentinel´s genocide. He also didn´t know the double imposter killed Phoenix and a bunch of people in New York.
 
 
ciarconn
14:58 / 24.06.04
BUT, Claremont does refer this Magneto to the old problems with his nervous system (In Uncanny on the # 100´s Claremont said that Magneto isn´t really bad, but the use of his powers affects his nervous system, making him a little bit crazy and evil). This suggests that Claremont believes this is the original Magneto.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:36 / 24.06.04
>> it is sugested that another mutant posed as magneto posing as Xorn.

LOL!
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
18:53 / 24.06.04
I wonder just how far back this imposter shit is supposed to go. I mean, after all... Magneto was pretty freaking evil and insane when he kindapped Xavier and tried to kill the X-Men in Eve of Extinction right before Morrison's run.

He's doing the exact same thing that john Byrne did thw the Doombots... any appearence he didn't like? Obviously wasn't really Magneto.
 
 
Warewullf
14:42 / 25.06.04
Magneto also says "Don't go there."

This following on from Xavier's "That so totally hurts!" last issue.


Next issue:

Unus: "I'm gonna kill you, baldy!"

Prof. X: "Talk to the hand."
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:05 / 25.06.04
hah! it's a double bluff! Morrison's Xavier and Magneto were the real deal, Claremont is writing about the adventures of two valley girl shapechangers who took a wrong turn looking for shoes...
 
 
fluid_state
20:05 / 26.06.04
Xavier: Talk to the hand.

Casue the sum totality of his psychic powers got no time fo' yo' bullshit, son. Word.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:26 / 09.07.04
The X-Axis review makes it clear that Claremont seems to be retconning most of dear Magneto's history since he left the first time and it's clear why. His Magneto was a villain, but was never a Doctor Doom or a Red Skull, he spent more time fighting the X-Men than trying to take over the world and I think Claremont carefully made sure that Magneto's human bodycount was zero. I have that big gap in reading X-Men between the Age of Apocalypse and Morrison taking over X-Men, but I would suspect that Claremont will claim that any time Magneto has been shown to do something which killed or harmed humans will be a clone or evil twin from another dimension or some other bullshit. Claremont needs to keep Erik's hands clean, because he sees him as exactly the same as Charles, just with a dark kink. And in many ways thats what the writers who immediately followed him were happy to play along with, it's only Grant that take the view of 'What people often forget, of course, is that Magneto, unlike the lovely Sir Ian McKellen, is a mad old terrorist twat. No matter how he justifies his stupid, brutal behaviour, or how anyone else tries to justify it, in the end he's just an old bastard with daft, old ideas based on violence and coercion. I really wanted to make that clear at this time.' I suspect that if the X-office hadn't asked for Magneto to be brought back then Claremont would have done it anyway. He thinks Magneto is a nice guy that's just misunderstood. Preumserably when Claremont gets round to developing the Excalibur team it'll be Charles and Erik, together at last as they were always meant to be, fighting to redeem Erik in the eyes of the world. I think Claremont sees an X-Universe without the yin and yang of Xavier and Magneto as a cold and too scary place. It's interesting that when Xavier left to go into space with Lilandra Magneto took a much more passive role with the New Mutants then effectively disappeared from the continuity for several years as well.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
22:15 / 09.07.04
And this is interesting, how?
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:41 / 09.07.04
in the same way people find a bloody car wreak interesting enough to slow down for it
 
  

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