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Ronald Reagan dies

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:09 / 05.06.04
Reuters.

BBC News.

New York Times.

CNN.
 
 
Bed Head
21:23 / 05.06.04
First reaction: Ha!
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
21:34 / 05.06.04
I find it distressing that I had a similar reaction. It's not good that these people's actions are so abhorrent that your kneejerk reaction is a sense of satisfaction at their death. Sadly we will now have to listen to people say nice things about him for the next week or so. The other thing that bothers me is that he pales in comparison both in terms of stupidity and ability to cause chaos and destruction abroad than the current incumbent. On the other hand much of what America got up to in Central & South America during his presidency was not surprisingly under reported compared to the current adventure in the middle east.

Still I suppose we should lament the face that launched a 1000 Spitting Image sketches and I still remember the comedy classic of total confusion that was his testimony on the Oliver North affair.

Or perhaps not.
 
 
■
23:11 / 05.06.04
Yes, at least he gave us:
"So, Mr President, the pictures say Gob-Baa-Chef"
"UUUuuuurrgh Mouth-Sheep-Tongue?"


"OK, Imbanana me."
"Peach, SIR!"
 
 
Jester
23:59 / 05.06.04
Yes, I'm afraid I had the 'ha' reaction too... Well, they also inturrupted a crazy interview with a former cia operative on the bbc to announce it too, where he was basically agreeing that the US has a terrible record in military interventions, and detailing them. Also, I had the rather cynical thought that it will be yet another thing bush will mercilessly exploit in the run up to the election...
 
 
Brigade du jour
00:12 / 06.06.04
Bush is bound to use this as a campaign tool. "My fellow Americans, let's win this one for the Gipper!"
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:20 / 06.06.04
Over the past 10 years, the business controlled media in the US has been smoothing out his history, not mentioning how unpopular he was at the end of his term, how he spent the US into crippling debt, the illegal actions that had to be pardoned by Bush... Over and over we're told how popular and beloved he is.

With Nixon, the same sort of thing happened, as if death erased all of his sins. Here in the US we're going to have to put up with a kind of worship that will make a church revival meeting seem tame.

He was a corrupt, cruel, uncaring bastard who got what he deserved...dying of a disease that could have been controlled a bit better if not for his political machinations stopped research into possible cures.

And the Republicans will be riding his corpse for the next 10 years.
 
 
w1rebaby
00:59 / 06.06.04
Imagine what the fucking telly's going to be like here.

God, it doesn't bear thinking about. I'd prefer that he lived forever in a home somewhere, babbling about monkeys.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
02:27 / 06.06.04
I was at the gym when I found out, and Fox News was playing the same 25 clips over and over. I wasn't listening to it, but they were playing interviews with Jerry Fallwell, Bill Bennett and the rest of the old Conservative Crew, so I would imagine it was a love-fest.

This country will be unbearable for at least a week as we will be required to mourn the old bastard.
 
 
SMS
04:35 / 06.06.04
I had a reaction that I shouldn't be proud of, and that, maybe I ought to be ashamed of. Not long after I saw the flags flying at half-mast and checked the radio to see if it was for Reagan, I thought about whether the folks at Barbelith would cheer his death. I wondered if it would be a kind of uncomfortable joy --- the kind that makes you wonder about yourself afterwards --- or if it would be a proud joy because, after all, Barbelithers know better than to show respect for Ronald Reagan. Those who would show him respect, at least without qualifying it with disdain, are either ignorant or wicked.

In my wickedness, however, I am not ashamed of thinking this about Barbelith. I am ashamed to be a member.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:38 / 06.06.04
Dunno... after two Bushes, I'm kind of missing the old Nazi.

(Only comparatively speaking, mind...)

Much as I hate both of them, I've always wondered what would have happened if there'd been a Reagan without a Thatcher, or vice versa... would things have been so bad?
With reference to modern events- Bush w/out Mr Tony, and a 2nd term Mr Tony without Bush...

Obviously I'd rather have/have had none of them... but isn't it fucking bad luck when they turn up at the same time?
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:11 / 06.06.04
Does anyone remember that old poster that had the "Gone With the Wind" poster art, with Thatcher in Reagan's arms, mushroom cloud in the background, and the subtitle, "She promised to follow him to the end of the Earth, he promised to arrange it"? Man, I'd like to link or leech that image, if it's online.
 
 
grant
13:20 / 06.06.04
It's an election year.

They planned it this way.
 
 
Nobody's girl
15:28 / 06.06.04
Does anyone remember that old poster that had the "Gone With the Wind" poster art, with Thatcher in Reagan's arms, mushroom cloud in the background, and the subtitle, "She promised to follow him to the end of the Earth, he promised to arrange it"? Man, I'd like to link or leech that image, if it's online

Your wish is my command....
 
 
Nobody's girl
15:30 / 06.06.04
Oops. Here it is.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:37 / 06.06.04
I would be all about the ha but I can't about Alzheimers.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:39 / 06.06.04
In my wickedness, however, I am not ashamed of thinking this about Barbelith. I am ashamed to be a member.

Right, because rather than be glad that someone like Reagan is dead, you prefer to wish death on people, right SMatthew? What was it: "I want them dead, so they can never do this again. I want their children dead, so they can never do this again." Lovely!

I'm not entirely happy about Reagan, anyway. My joy is tinged with sorrow. Y'know why?

Thatcher's still alive.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:40 / 06.06.04
(that's gonna be one hell of a street party)
 
 
electricinca
16:36 / 06.06.04
One down and one to go.

Oh and Grant you are cynical but I wouldn't put it past them to arrange it this way. Who the fuck knows when he actually died as he has been shut away at his ranch for years.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
20:03 / 06.06.04
"Thatcher's still alive."

Stop whining and buy a rifle.
 
 
Bed Head
23:35 / 06.06.04
Thatcher. Never mind all the lily livers fretting over their response to Reagan's demise, I openly admit to clapping my hands with evil glee on hearing a tale of Thatcher’s current state - so senile that the death of her beloved Dennis has had to be broken to her again and again and again, with the same horrific initial shock and grief absolutely devastating her, every single time - but really, I don’t think I could have invented a better end to her days! If it’s true, I rather hope she doesn’t die for ages yet. Reagan got off lightly with his cozy dotage.

And now,that’s a gut reaction I’m properly proud of.
 
 
SMS
00:14 / 07.06.04
Right, because rather than be glad that someone like Reagan is dead, you prefer to wish death on people, right SMatthew? What was it: "I want them dead, so they can never do this again. I want their children dead, so they can never do this again." Lovely!

Yes, that's more or less what I said. Confirms what I said about wickedness, doesn't it?
 
 
Joetheneophyte
06:02 / 07.06.04
shit I'm surprised Bush didn't blame Al Quaeda for Ronnie's death!

They get the blame for just about everything else

I can hear it now:

"Donald Regan was a great President.......a true American.......he stood for free trade..........lower taxes........trickle down economics and Mom's apple pie........it is a shame that some evil doers......enemies of freedom......THEY hate our freedoms.......they .....couldn't stand to see a free man, soil in his trousers......trickle down being his favourite idea......it is against their warped minds to consider the freedom of a man.....wearing adult diapers...........they hate our freedoms..........so I ask that you vote Republican in honor of this proud man..........petititition to get his face on Mount Rushmore........and God Bless America"



Yes I don't want Thatcher to die


I would prefer her corrupt, racketeering, loan shark bastard of a son and her idiotic, screeching 'I've had a great education and still have a speech impediment' overly pompous daughter die before her......just to increase the agony of her last years


Besides that , I am not bitter
 
 
Joetheneophyte
06:38 / 07.06.04
Actually , in hindsight that was abit harsh

whilst I would still like Mark Thatcher to suffer an untimely and grisly demise.......Carole Thatcher isn't to my knowledge evil, like her sibling or mother

She is just too darned annoying! She regularly pops up on David Frost reviewing the newspapers.......she is loud, stupid and overly opinionated........She strikes me as a Liza Minelli character.....brash, embarrassing and forever living in her mothers' shadow with little talent of her own

I don't want her dead.........her life must be bad enough a cross to bear
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:32 / 07.06.04
Nobody's Girl... JOY! Thank you from my bottom to my heart, I remember that old poster from my lefty childhood- god help me, I spent years thinking "Gone With the Wind" was some kind of Dr. Strangelove deal starring Ronnie and Mags. As for Madame M, I'll leave you with a quote from "Drop the Dead Donkey"...

"Seeing the once-fearsome Iron Maiden of British politics reduced to a sad old bag lady... Makes you feel a bit sorry for her, doesn't it?"
"...No, not really."
"Yeah, you're right, lets enjoy it!"
 
 
Sir Real
11:56 / 07.06.04
All this revelling in the death/suffering of your enemies is the exact type of attitude that has us in the current innane/stagnant political situation. You noticed how the 2000 Presidential Election(TM) ended up in a virtual tie? How does half a society vehmnetly oppose the other half? That's right, creative demonization of the opposition. Both sides will trot out their pet polarising policies, and we'll be so happy to vote against Bush we'll buy anything, and vice versa. Hatred and contempt are the politics of the day. You're welcome to them.
 
 
Sir Real
12:09 / 07.06.04
Sorry if a little bitchy. I haven't had my coffee yet. To make up for it, this old letter to the editor at The National Lampoon;
'You know, now that I think about it,
it is kind of flattering.
Jodie Foster'
Enjoy.
 
 
Chiropteran
13:25 / 07.06.04
I think vidvis13 has a point.

There is a big difference between "I didn't like him and I'm not sorry to see him gone" and "I'm glad he's dead and I hope it hurt." Reagan was reprehensible on many levels, and his death shouldn't erase or overshadow his crimes. Still, he hasn't been in a position of power for many years, so it's not as though his death puts an end to his "reign of terror" (it might be different story if Hinckley had succeeded while Reagan was in office.) A pathetic and wasted old man (who quite possibly got the end he deserved) is dead. That's about it, really. Where is the triumph in that?

It is certainly tempting, in a media climate that talks about him as the Saviour of the Free World, to want to talk some shit -- and I think it is definitely worthwhile to do whatever we can to debunk the myth of "The Great Communicator." To actually revel in his death, though, takes things in a far less productive, even dangerous direction. Hate is a tricky thing to wield effectively without it whipping around and biting you back.

I'm sorry if I sound too righteous or preachy - my own feelings are pretty ambivalent, so I'm just focussing on the contrary position to provide a little contrast.

~L
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:28 / 07.06.04
All this revelling in the death/suffering of your enemies is the exact type of attitude that has us in the current innane/stagnant political situation

Oh please that's utter nonsense. Why shouldn't we revel in the death of a bunch of murderers who were never called up for their crimes. The current stagnant situation has been created by people allowing America to become a dictatorial state. Does someone have to explain, yet again, how the Republicans gained power by scuppering the black vote and destroying the beloved democratic system that no one really seems to give a toss about.

You're right Hatred and contempt are the politics of the day but that's because no one is naive enough to elect anyone because they say they're going to do something. Politicians lie all the time, of course we revel in their suffering, we were all brought up to believe that lying is a sin.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:31 / 07.06.04
Not to mention that if you think the Democratic and Republican electoral platforms in 2000 were polar extremes, you have a rather limited understanding of the political spectrum (even the political spectrum of mainstream American electoral politics in the last 50 years).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:16 / 07.06.04
Why shouldn't we revel in the death of a bunch of murderers who were never called up for their crimes.

Totally get what you're saying...

but...

but...

I personally oppose both hunting and the death penalty because I think it is wrong to take pleaseure in death.

Again, had Hinkley succeeded it would have been a different matter- but does a surgeon actually HATE the cancer he removes? Or does he just kill it because it is for the greater good of the whole body?

Don't get me wrong... I'm not sorry to see him go... but as far as the real world is concerned, he went as soon as he left office.

I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw when Pol Pot died... the famous big mound of skulls, one of which says to the other "You know, he just died of a heart attack?" The response: "Lucky bastard".

I must admit, though... against my better nature, and against all arguments I may come up with to the contrary, I WILL dance when Thatcher goes. I will know it's wrong to do so, but it won't stop me.
 
 
Nobody's girl
15:38 / 07.06.04
It's a difficult one isn't it Stoatie? The impulse to piss on her grave will be great...

*wrestles with conscience*
 
 
Sir Real
15:48 / 07.06.04
I would say you couldn't be more wrong Anna, if I hadn't read any of your previous posts. To believe that the Republican 'victory' was solely due to the fraud in Florida is utter claptrap. In any rational society Bush wouldn't get enough votes for whatever numbers his brother could hand him to even matter.
And if, by some chance, you really were brought up to think lying is a sin then surely wishing pain and suffering on others is as well.
But that point is, of course irrelevant. What is relevant, Flyboy, is that the Dem. and Rep. were NOT polar opposites. That's what I'm saying; the parties stir up hatred and contempt for the opposition with a few hot button topics.
How do you think people have 'allowed America to become a dictatorial state?' By being convinced that the opposition is evil and out to do you and everything you love harm as their primary goal. Look at Bush's comments about 9/11. Look at talk radio here in the U.S.
And, more distressingly to me because I expect more from them, look and so many people on 'our' side of the debate. My girlfriend works for the local alternative weekly and despite my respect for their views, integrity, and intelligence, I am dismayed at how quickly and easily they give in to onesided vindictivness. This is not based on any moral 'Why can't we just be polite' sense. It's based on the simple fact that this technique DOES NOT WORK. It reduces to a simple 'our side good, your side bad' mentally from which no progress will be made.
If you're not outraged you're not paying attention? No.
If you're outraged, you need to learn how to deal with reality better.
 
 
Sir Real
15:53 / 07.06.04
And didn't anyone like my joke?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:27 / 07.06.04
It gave me a chuckle.
 
  

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